i dont know the answer here, but there is something disturbing to me about keeping these people isolated. They aren't animals for cryin out loud. If i were in one of these tribes and saw brief glimpses of some incredibly advanced civilization, i'd want to know about it.
you hear me, aliens?
Who's keeping them 'isolated'?
Nobody's keeping them 'isolated'. They have chosen to live in the forest for, perhaps, thousands of years.
And do you really think they consider themselves 'isolated'? Their back garden is a fucking rainforest for Gods sake!
I would bet money that religious missionaries will be asking for directions to these tribes immediately. :rolleyes:
I sincerely hope that American missionaries keep their arrogant, ignorant, and diseased fucking hands off these people.
They've already caused enough genocide - both physical and cultural - in that part of the world.
I sincerely hope that American missionaries keep their arrogant, ignorant, and diseased fucking hands off these people.
They've already caused enough genocide - both physical and cultural - in that part of the world.
I'm with you, but fear they won't be able to resist fresh blood.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
A phrase using the term "savage" is surprising to you...that its biased and outdated?
I think that is the point. The term savage in relation to aboriginals is an inaccurate and outdated term as is the idea of the "noble savage" in that the FN were these noble and peaceful people which has been proven false long ago.
I think that is the point. The term savage in relation to aboriginals is an inaccurate and outdated term as is the idea of the "noble savage" in that the FN were these noble and peaceful people which has been proven false long ago.
Man has always had some form of adversarial or antagonistic relationships, within the tribe, and with other tribes, and with the larger forces of nature. Further, the notion that the primitive man was some how at peace or one with himself and in a state of relative bliss is an unproven and likely naive notion.
True. But then it's also true that these people probably possess knowledge about the natural environment and about the human spirit - shamanistic knowledge - that is far superior/practical than our paltry materialistic rat-race mentality. Shame that they'll probably all be dead from disease or bullets before we ever get a chance to find out.
Let's just hope that they do remain protected in their 'isolation'.
This thread is 5 pages in and you still haven't corrected your very embarrassing mistake??
Seriously, do you think that the everyone south of the Rio Grande is Mexican??
He's making a joke. You may not find it funny. Some do, myself included. If the OP was revealed to be Carlos Mencia the rest of you would be laughing too because then it would be "ok".
Why is OK to force those things on Americans, but not a tribe in Peru?
Because they are not american?
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
would walking in and saying hi constitute forcing our ways on them? kinda ridiculous.
Its pointless anyway. Their are billions of us and there will be billions more in a few decades. If they dont build up some immunities soon (by interacting with us less shamanistic types), they are doomed to extinction. Animals survive by changing with the environment, not retreating into smaller and smaller areas that dont change.
I agree. The government should leave everyone alone and let people be poor, uneducated, have no healthcare, etc. if that is what they choose.
These people live in the Amazon rainforest. They have nothing to do with your government.
Perhaps you need to begin a different thread re: The U.S government's domestic policies?
So we should treat people who aren't American differently?
That's fairly racist don't you think (or at least very nationalistic).
I think you misunderstood me. I just said that because you mentioned govt sponsored healthcare and education for americans but their government is in Brazil not the states!
Personally I think they should be left alone to live their lives their way. I expect they've known about the outside world to some extent for ages but what they mostly see is the destruction of their land and homes. Why should they want to be part of this world anyway?
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
These people live in the Amazon rainforest. They have nothing to do with your government.
Perhaps you need to begin a different thread re: The U.S government's domestic policies?
I'm trying to look at things from a wider perspective. Perhaps others in the thread might recognize the correlation.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I think you misunderstood me. I just said that because you mentioned govt sponsored healthcare and education for americans but their government is in Brazil not the states!
Personally I think they should be left alone to live their lives their way. I expect they've known about the outside world to some extent for ages but what they mostly see is the destruction of their land and homes. Why should they want to be part of this world anyway?
I agree. My first post was sarcastic. It seems as if some of the people who advocate leaving them along are proponents of not leaving other people alone. The only difference being geographic.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
would walking in and saying hi constitute forcing our ways on them? kinda ridiculous.
Its pointless anyway. Their are billions of us and there will be billions more in a few decades. If they dont build up some immunities soon (by interacting with us less shamanistic types), they are doomed to extinction.
Firstly, missionaries don't just walk in and say hi! They spread disease and force them to abandon their own cultural beliefs e.t.c. Loggers don't just walk in and say hi either. They shoot them dead if they refuse to move out of their way.
As for there being 'billions of us'...maybe, but then I don't see many people relocating to the middle of the Amazon rainforest. I'm not sure there's any prime real-estate in the middle of the jungle as we speak.
Animals survive by changing with the environment, not retreating into smaller and smaller areas that dont change.
And you think that we in the West have adapted to our natural environment in any way shape or form? Sorry to break it to ya, but the last time I looked we were seriously fucking up our environment, whilst continuing to 'retreat' into bigger and bigger cities. Not really looking too good for us is it.
Firstly, missionaries don't just walk in and say hi! They spread disease and force them to abandon their own cultural beliefs e.t.c. Loggers don't just walk in and say hi either. They shoot them dead if they refuse to move out of their way.
As for there being 'billions of us'...maybe, but then I don't see many people relocating to the middle of the Amazon rainforest. I'm not sure there's any prime real-estate in the middle of the jungle as we speak.
And you think that we in the West have adapted to our natural environment in any way shape or form? Sorry to break it to ya, but the last time I looked we were seriously fucking up our environment, whilst continuing to 'retreat' into bigger and bigger cities. Not really looking too good for us is it.
Can you really force someone to change their cultural beliefs? Isn't that a choice.
Also, wouldn't you agree that changing cultural beliefs isn't always a bad thing?
I can't disagree with you about the disease, though.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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This thread is 5 pages in and you still haven't corrected your very embarrassing mistake??
Seriously, do you think that the everyone south of the Rio Grande is Mexican??
Who's keeping them 'isolated'?
Nobody's keeping them 'isolated'. They have chosen to live in the forest for, perhaps, thousands of years.
And do you really think they consider themselves 'isolated'? Their back garden is a fucking rainforest for Gods sake!
I sincerely hope that American missionaries keep their arrogant, ignorant, and diseased fucking hands off these people.
They've already caused enough genocide - both physical and cultural - in that part of the world.
If you need any proof just check out Norman Lewis' book 'The Missionaries'.
http://www.amazon.com/Missionaries-Against-Indians-Norman-Lewis/dp/0330354450/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212208015&sr=8-1
Go fuck your grandpa's ass. And get him to lick your balls too.
I'm with you, but fear they won't be able to resist fresh blood.
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462499/
True. But then it's also true that these people probably possess knowledge about the natural environment and about the human spirit - shamanistic knowledge - that is far superior/practical than our paltry materialistic rat-race mentality. Shame that they'll probably all be dead from disease or bullets before we ever get a chance to find out.
Let's just hope that they do remain protected in their 'isolation'.
Leave them alone?!!
Shouldn't we attack them with forced, government-sponsored education and healthcare??
After all, those are the main planks that our politicians run on. Why is OK to force those things on Americans, but not a tribe in Peru?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Probably not, but that won't exempt other people who've had the opportunity to know better.
Pretty pathetic comment, BTW...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
He's making a joke. You may not find it funny. Some do, myself included. If the OP was revealed to be Carlos Mencia the rest of you would be laughing too because then it would be "ok".
Because they are not american?
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
So we should treat people who aren't American differently?
That's fairly racist don't you think (or at least very nationalistic).
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You shouldn't 'treat' them at all, but just leave them alone. Although I know how hard that is to do for many Americans.
Its pointless anyway. Their are billions of us and there will be billions more in a few decades. If they dont build up some immunities soon (by interacting with us less shamanistic types), they are doomed to extinction. Animals survive by changing with the environment, not retreating into smaller and smaller areas that dont change.
I agree. The government should leave everyone alone and let people be poor, uneducated, have no healthcare, etc. if that is what they choose.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
These people live in the Amazon rainforest. They have nothing to do with your government.
Perhaps you need to begin a different thread re: The U.S government's domestic policies?
I think you misunderstood me. I just said that because you mentioned govt sponsored healthcare and education for americans but their government is in Brazil not the states!
Personally I think they should be left alone to live their lives their way. I expect they've known about the outside world to some extent for ages but what they mostly see is the destruction of their land and homes. Why should they want to be part of this world anyway?
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
I'm trying to look at things from a wider perspective. Perhaps others in the thread might recognize the correlation.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I agree. My first post was sarcastic. It seems as if some of the people who advocate leaving them along are proponents of not leaving other people alone. The only difference being geographic.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Firstly, missionaries don't just walk in and say hi! They spread disease and force them to abandon their own cultural beliefs e.t.c. Loggers don't just walk in and say hi either. They shoot them dead if they refuse to move out of their way.
As for there being 'billions of us'...maybe, but then I don't see many people relocating to the middle of the Amazon rainforest. I'm not sure there's any prime real-estate in the middle of the jungle as we speak.
And you think that we in the West have adapted to our natural environment in any way shape or form? Sorry to break it to ya, but the last time I looked we were seriously fucking up our environment, whilst continuing to 'retreat' into bigger and bigger cities. Not really looking too good for us is it.
There is no correlation. You just attempted to make an analogy, and it happened to be a very poor one.
And cultural.
My thread was better..
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286771
We all have opinions. I respect yours even if I disagree with it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Can you really force someone to change their cultural beliefs? Isn't that a choice.
Also, wouldn't you agree that changing cultural beliefs isn't always a bad thing?
I can't disagree with you about the disease, though.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Should we not be allowed to debate?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Shit, now you got me arguing about arguing.
I read the article and thought, cool..
They're affecting us enough to post about it on the internet. Sorry to drag you down!
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.