some intelligent topic for you

810wmb

my2hands wrote:

and those people were prosecuted for war crimes in WWII my friend

open a book

sorry, i wasn't clear, our own (US) training now, puts out GI's through it

could i borrow a book from you?

mein kampf maybe?

810wmb

my2hands wrote:

yup, 50 million fucking idiots voted for this fake cowboy


i asked a friend of mine a few months ago why he voted for bush... he said "so we can fight them there and not here"... i couldnt fuckign believe it. he is 35 years old and sucking up bulshit like lemonade through a straw.

then my roomate the other day says Iraq had was involved in 9/11???? i couldnt fuckign believe it. people still think this shit in 2007?

no wonder my country is losing all of its integrity

well, your country must have thought a little different than you

sweetpotato

my2hands wrote:

:rolleyes:

NO.

Katrina
Torture
WMD
Iraq/911 ties
Harriet Myers
Scooter Libby pardon or whatever the fuck it was
Alberto Gonzales (see #2 and the politicization of the Justic Department)
Good Job Brownie (see # 1)
Record Deficit
tax cuts for the weatlhy during a "global war that could last a generation"
Terry Schiavo
Stem Cell research (untold damage and loss of advancement)
Gay rights, lack thereof
domestic spying
patriot act
Gitmo
destruction of habeous corpus
cia black prisons
Mission Accomplished

etc
etc
etc

the list goes on and on and on and on


SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE FUCK HAVE SOME OF YOU PEOPLE BEEN DOING AND WATCHING FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS? THIS SHIT HAS BEEN A FUCKING DISASTER.

ask the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi's what they think... or the approx 20,000 dead and severely wounded US soldiers

amen, brother.

my2hands

jlew24asu wrote:

like I said before, mature people dont call people they disagree with fucking idiots. and you are tiny. I can see your napoleon complex from here. get over yourself.

after 6 years of this shit, i think i am being nice.


and trust me, i am not tiny.

my2hands

sweetpotato wrote:

amen, brother.

i mean come on right? what the hell are these folks talking about?

jlew24asu

my2hands wrote:

after 6 years of this shit, i think i am being nice.


and trust me, i am not tiny.

world doesnt revolve around you tiny. hit the gym and come back when you pass puberty and are able to debate like an adult.

my2hands

my2hands wrote:

:rolleyes:

NO.

Katrina
Torture
WMD
Iraq/911 ties
Harriet Myers
Scooter Libby pardon or whatever the fuck it was
Alberto Gonzales (see #2 and the politicization of the Justic Department)
Good Job Brownie (see # 1)
Record Deficit
tax cuts for the weatlhy during a "global war that could last a generation"
Terry Schiavo
Stem Cell research (untold damage and loss of advancement)
Gay rights, lack thereof
domestic spying
patriot act
Gitmo
destruction of habeous corpus
cia black prisons
Mission Accomplished

OK JLEW... IF YOU HAVE TIME PLEASE BREAK DOWN EACH ONE OF THESE FOR ME AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THEM. LETS GET STRAIGHT TO THE FACTS MY FRIEND.

my2hands

jlew24asu wrote:

world doesnt revolve around you tiny. hit the gym and come back when you pass puberty and are able to debate like an adult.

work on your humor.

see post above and i will thoroughly run laps around your ass in this debate my friend. pick an issue, any issue listed above. and if you rewally want to get owned please pick torture

this should be easy

810wmb

my2hands wrote:

work on your humor.

see post above and i will thoroughly run laps around your ass in this debate my friend. pick an issue, any issue listed above. and if you rewally want to get owned please pick torture

this should be easy

and he puffed and he huffed

sweetpotato

my2hands wrote:

OK JLEW... IF YOU HAVE TIME PLEASE BREAK DOWN EACH ONE OF THESE FOR ME AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THEM. LETS GET STRAIGHT TO THE FACTS MY FRIEND.

yes, i think that would be interesting to see.

i'm still stuck on some of these guys supporting torture. even if you don't bring morality into the argument- which i'm assuming isn't even on the radar for some people- torture is the LEAST effective way to get good information out of someone. if someone's dunking you under water and telling you they'll drown your ass if you don;t tell tham what you know, wouldn't you tell them whatever the fuck they want to hear, just to get them to stop?

aside from that, the fact remains that if the US condones torture, it places US soldiers and citizens travelling abroad in greater danger of becoming victims of it themselves.

sweetpotato

810wmb wrote:

and he puffed and he huffed

...and you said nothing of any substance.

are you not up to the challenge?

polaris

well ... if anything - this thread explains why we are where we are ... :rolleyes:

Thecure

my2hands wrote:

OK JLEW... IF YOU HAVE TIME PLEASE BREAK DOWN EACH ONE OF THESE FOR ME AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THEM. LETS GET STRAIGHT TO THE FACTS MY FRIEND.

instead of just listing words explain to me what your thoughts are too on the list.

Thecure

my2hands wrote:

work on your humor.

see post above and i will thoroughly run laps around your ass in this debate my friend. pick an issue, any issue listed above. and if you rewally want to get owned please pick torture

this should be easy

can i pick Terry Schiavo?

jlew24asu

my2hands wrote:

Katrina

failure on all levels by hundreds of people. local, state, and federal. and the worst natural disaster our country has ever seen.

my2hands wrote:

Torture

used in the past on very few individuals. should never be done again unless to thwart off a dirty bomb attack. (and some may argue waterboarding isnt even torture) its more of a bad mind fuck that physical harm. it leave zero physical affects. if we were chopping off fingers you'd have a better case.

my2hands wrote:

WMD

what about it? If Iraq is a success, as the thread starter is suggesting, this will be long forgotten. WMD was more false information from the people around bush (cheney, slam dunk guy, etc) then bush himself. but the buck stops with him.

my2hands wrote:

Iraq/911 ties

more lies to go to war? more from the cheney machine

my2hands wrote:

Harriet Myers

what about her?

my2hands wrote:

Scooter Libby pardon or whatever the fuck it was

ha you want to talk about pardons? we'll talk about clintons pardons and see if you agree with those

my2hands wrote:

Alberto Gonzales (see #2 and the politicization of the Justic Department)

dontknow much about him

my2hands wrote:

Good Job Brownie (see # 1)

bush trying to build morale during the worst natural disaster in american history.

my2hands wrote:

Record Deficit

he has a plan to reduce it. time will tell if it works

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1D91539F931A35752C0A9639C8B63

my2hands wrote:

tax cuts for the weatlhy during a "global war that could last a generation"

tax cuts are good.

my2hands wrote:

Stem Cell research (untold damage and loss of advancement)
Gay rights, lack thereof

these are just from your far left views. newsflash ****people are allowed to disagree with you

my2hands wrote:

domestic spying
patriot act
Gitmo
destruction of habeous corpus
cia black prisons

all are a direct result of 9/11. some see it as a way of protecting us from that happening again, some dont. (see newsflash)

my2hands wrote:

Mission Accomplished

tommy franks idea. and the mission, at the time, was accomplished.



now you may take this as my being a right winger or loving fox news. actually I dont like bush all that much. I'm very exciting for change come 08.

I'm just mature enough to see both sides of an argument. something you severely lack.

jlew24asu

sweetpotato wrote:

yes, i think that would be interesting to see.

i'm still stuck on some of these guys supporting torture. even if you don't bring morality into the argument- which i'm assuming isn't even on the radar for some people- torture is the LEAST effective way to get good information out of someone. if someone's dunking you under water and telling you they'll drown your ass if you don;t tell tham what you know, wouldn't you tell them whatever the fuck they want to hear, just to get them to stop?

aside from that, the fact remains that if the US condones torture, it places US soldiers and citizens travelling abroad in greater danger of becoming victims of it themselves.

define torture.

are we cutting their heads off?

at most we have used waterboarding. something, people stand up and walk away from when its over.

boxwine_in_hell

Thecure wrote:

if the war on iraq leads to great middle east would Bush be seen as a head of the time. no "yes or no" answer please.

What?

NoK

The way I see it the idea behind it is wrong in the first place.. how could it be a success when the whole reason why the US entered Iraq was not to create democracy or any of that bullshit rhetoric now used.. If the US had entered Iraq with that in mind and then that happening along the line then yes it would be a "success".. but those were not the intentions. Success in quotations because killing civilians is never a success. Things could of been solved without war.

What proves the intentions are not as clean as some people on this board would hope is the fact that they drop depleted uranium bombs which will scar civilians for many years to come.. Now how does contaminating their land for many years to come look out for their interest?

Finally for those who say Saddam is an ISLAMIC dictator.. Get your facts straight. He used to kill religious people for a hobby.

Thecure

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

What?

since it does not look like people read comments. the way i asked the questions was to have a joke with another thread question. so for you Boxwine-in-hell, here is the question.

If the war in Iraq leads to a better and peaceful middle east, will George Bush be seen as a person who was ahead of his time and did something that was good.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

When Cheney said going into Iraq was a quagmire, he was telling the truth.

He quickly changed his tune when he saw the dollar signs however.

If what Cheney and Bush have gotten away over the years is not found to be impeachable, then nobody is.