Agreed ... Its a tad shocking, actually. Women are about 51% of the population? Blacks in the U.S., around 10%? Why does sexism linger more strongly??? Its rather odd.
Because sexism is condoned by the media. Everything is dictated by the media.
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Yes, I am saying that because I believe it's true. Not that women shouldn't have jobs or positions of power, but that, from a relationship point of view, men are the protectors and women are the nurturers. So, therefore, I disagree with much of what Ms. Steinem has to say.
I actually agree with you and this is something I've been saying for a while and that many women are afraid to say for fear of looking like we live in the middle ages. There are many many women who are natural leaders and would make the world a much better place if given the chance.
One such woman who I personally look up to and believe is a fantastic role model for women, is Mary Robinson, former Irish president... she took the job and made it her own... but never did she have to do it the mans way. She was graceful, had integrity, was a calm and composed speaker, she never backed down from what she believed in (note, I'm sure she still has all these qualities). She really changed things for women in Ireland and for the job of the president.
the first female President of Ireland, serving from 1990 to 1997, and the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, from 1997 to 2002. She first rose to prominence as an academic, barrister, campaigner and member of the Irish senate (1969–1989). She defeated Fianna Fáil's Brian Lenihan and Fine Gael's Austin Currie in the 1990 presidential election becoming, as an Independent candidate nominated by the Labour Party, the Workers' Party of Ireland and independent senators, the first elected president in the office's history not to have the support of Fianna Fáil.[2]
She is credited by many as having revitalised and liberalised a previously conservative political office. She resigned the presidency four months ahead of the end of her term of office to take up her post in the United Nations. Robinson has been Honorary President of Oxfam International since 2002, she is Chair of the International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED) and is also a founding member and Chair of the Council of Women World Leaders. Robinson is also one of the European members of the controversial Trilateral Commission.
She serves on many boards including the GAVI Fund. Robinson’s newest project is Realizing Rights: the Ethical Globalization Initiative, which promotes equitable trade and development, more humane migration policies and better responses to HIV/AIDS in Africa. The organization also promotes women's leadership and supports capacity building and good governance in developing countries. She is Chancellor of the University of Dublin. Since 2004, she has also been Professor of Practice in International Affairs at Columbia University, where she teaches international human rights. Robinson also visits other colleges and universities where she lectures on human rights.
In 2004, she received Amnesty International's Ambassador of Conscience Award for her work in promoting human rights.
I really believe a woman can be a leader and yet still be a woman... when they try to do it the mans way is where they fail.
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Don't get respect.. get called bitch/slut/whore... don't win whatever it is they're running for.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
i understand what you are saying but does saying the N word make a person a racist or just anger.
It really depends on the person, one would have to be an absolute fool to think there is some kind of supremacy eminating from simply skin pigmentation or the lack there of. Words are words and many people who use them are not thinking rationally. I believe many people are predjudiced against a particular culture without being racist.
I would imagine the same goes with sexism. Women and men are inherently different which is quite a good thing really. Being a huge fan of choice in general in all aspects of life, equal pay for equal work is just obvious. I tend to believe due to the nature of the sexes and their passions the numbers are more skewed than they should be. I generally don't understand the she has do to it the mans way or that kind of comment but some industries are heavilly weighted towards a particular sex over the other, in as such the basic attitude will take on either the male atmosphere or the female atmosphere. For instance a hair salon will be different than a barber shop.
What I'm all about is choice. Obviously society has it's norms or what it perceives as norms and they change on racial ethnic class and religious lines to name a few.
Are there ideas that women can't do a specific job... sure. Are they warrented... hell no. Sex organs don't make you who you are... your brain does.
Ok so there are inherent differences... but by nature working toegther we learn to use them effectively. In some cases men take on traits more often exibited by women and vise versa.
I think the perceptions currently are worse than reality. The idea that you have to act "manly" to get ahead is a fallacy... what is manly when it comes to politics for instance? There's certainly a difference in style from man to man as there is from woman to woman.
The idea that you cannot perform a task if you are black or have female sex organs is utterly preposterous and has been proven time and time again.
Everyone even men and women vary in thier hopes dreams and desires. Outside of common traits certain individuals are going to be better at a particular task whether they are male or female. I don't typically think having or not having skin pigmentation or having a Vagina or Penis altoegther amount for much... it's always the content of your character no matter if you are treated fairly or unfairly. The response to the unfair is almost always more indicative of character than true fairness.
With this all being said I still recognise that there are laws in place that are draconian and prohibitive as VG has already stated. Hell, as I stand on the footsteps of marriage, I realize how lucky I am to not have to go through the ridiculousness to change my name. She will have to spend a full day of work without pay going through the various governmental hoops to change her name to add mine to fulfill this cultural norm.... to basically file taxes toegther and make us family in the eyes of government. Hell you can't even get that if you're homosexual. There's a long way to go certainly.
Perhaps sexism is more pervasive because it goes across all racial ethnic social and religous lines It's rooted in culture in general.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
I believe many people are predjudiced against a particular culture without being racist.
I agree completely.. I think the R word gets thrown around way too easily... rather than people actually discussing the PROBLEM! And once you're painted with the R brush, your opinion is therefore invalid and not worth discussing... so you'll be stuck with these prejudiced views and nobody to help you out or answer your questions or tell you WHY they're prejudiced.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
why is it that we have no problem calling women sluts, bitches and tramps but the N word is look very down upon among what is considerdered polite society.
Because of Emmeline KLAUS Pankhurst and her dogwhipping brigade.
In 'polite society' they would seldom call women sluts, bitches and tramps, it'd be more like,"that coarse, unrefined chambermaid is rather like an exposed deformity I say, her incursions into our conversation are very foolish and cast a gloomy shadow over our higher object at hand, quite upsetting. Don't you agree Adela?" --Pankhurst overheard at lunch, Connaught Place.1904--
As much as I am not all that fond of Hillary herself, I was quite pumped by the possibility of a female president of the U.S. (no sexual connotation meant ...
Look in some of the Clinton threads and you'll see cunt used by the same people who would likely flame people for using the word nigger. I don't like or use either word, personally, but I've certainly seen a double standard in this forum by supposedly enlightened, left-leaning posters. I don't think those posters could be called progressive, though, since I think the use of the word cunt automatically excludes one from being thought of that way. ...
So, yes, sexism is clearly more tolerated than racism.
I totally agree. I think the "c" word gets used in Courtney Love threads, too. And still, it remains not progressive in the least...and imo, it's regressive.
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As much as I am not all that fond of Hillary herself, I was quite pumped by the possibility of a female president of the U.S. (no sexual connotation meant ...
i think many people were---especially women who fought so hard in the 50s, 60s, and 70s for certain rights. i just hope this wasn't it. maybe in 8 years, or 4 years, who knows. we need to work harder to make it easier for more women to get into local, senate, or house positions and grow a nice base from which women can grow into leadership positions. it's happening slowly, but could you imagine a congress that is actually somewhat representative of the people?
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With this all being said I still recognise that there are laws in place that are draconian and prohibitive as VG has already stated. Hell, as I stand on the footsteps of marriage, I realize how lucky I am to not have to go through the ridiculousness to change my name. She will have to spend a full day of work without pay going through the various governmental hoops to change her name to add mine to fulfill this cultural norm.... to basically file taxes toegther and make us family in the eyes of government. Hell you can't even get that if you're homosexual. There's a long way to go certainly.
I like a lot of what you wrote Pacomc79. But, I wanted to respond to the quoted text.
She doesn't have to change her name. She and you could still file taxes together without the same last name, so it's really just fulfilling the cultural norm. I don't have my husband's last name, but we are still recognized by the government as a married couple.
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but that's exactly the problem. bitch, throughout history, has described a woman who doesn't follow traditional gender stereotypes. she is someone who can be aggressive, which women traditionally aren't supposed to be. bitch is a female dog, and when you call a woman a bitch, it is because she, like that dog, can sometimes bite back. this is a gendered term meant to disparage women. think about when a man is called a bitch these days---it is because he is being "womanly" in the way that he is submissive. the word "bitch" has definite gender attachments, it's offensive to women whether in the form of calling them out for being unlike their gender (being too aggressive) or applying that label to a man (which is an insult to him because he is acting like a woman).
Sexism implies that one thinks women (other the other gender) are less able, less intelligent, less skilful...
There's a professor at my school and no doubt she's intelligent, no one would deny that, she's also a very good lecturer but she's extremely unpleasant, she's rude to everyone, she arrogant... She's a bitch. There's nothing sexist about it. It doesn't have anything to do with her gender. You can say I call her a bitch because she's not following the traditional gender roles, but that's ridiculous. Not following traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean being rude, aggressive, offensive, insulting people... A man with the same personality will also be called an asshole. It's not about gender, it's about their extremely unpleasant character.
I agree it can be sexist at times, though, not every time. I don't think you can say the same about the word nigger. It only has one connotation. It is always racist. When you use that word, it's not linked to character but to race.
Sexism implies that one thinks women (other the other gender) are less able, less intelligent, less skilful...
There's a professor at my school and no doubt she's intelligent, no one would deny that, she's also a very good lecturer but she's extremely unpleasant, she's rude to everyone, she arrogant... She's a bitch. There's nothing sexist about it. It doesn't have anything to do with her gender. You can say I call her a bitch because she's not following the traditional gender roles, but that's ridiculous. Not following traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean being rude, aggressive, offensive, insulting people... A man with the same personality will also be called an asshole. It's not about gender, it's about their extremely unpleasant character.
I agree it can be sexist at times, though, not every time. I don't think you can say the same about the word nigger. It only has one connotation. It is always racist. When you use that word, it's not linked to character but to race.
Wouldn't you call a man with the same behavior a prick or a dick? That is what I call them, especially when I want to emphasize it is a man exhibiting the behavior. And, in using prick or dick, I am implying that I believe this man is inferior to other men. I think bitch can be used in the same way with the added twist that the bitch in question is inferior to both men and other women who are more compliant. To avoid the whole gender problem, I use asshole for a person exhibiting the behavior. Everyone has an asshole, and they can be a source of annoyance to both genders.
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Sexism implies that one thinks women (other the other gender) are less able, less intelligent, less skilful...
There's a professor at my school and no doubt she's intelligent, no one would deny that, she's also a very good lecturer but she's extremely unpleasant, she's rude to everyone, she arrogant... She's a bitch. There's nothing sexist about it. It doesn't have anything to do with her gender. You can say I call her a bitch because she's not following the traditional gender roles, but that's ridiculous. Not following traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean being rude, aggressive, offensive, insulting people... A man with the same personality will also be called an asshole. It's not about gender, it's about their extremely unpleasant character.
I agree it can be sexist at times, though, not every time. I don't think you can say the same about the word nigger. It only has one connotation. It is always racist. When you use that word, it's not linked to character but to race.
instead of using the word bitch why can't you just say that she is unpleasent, rude and arrogant. i don't agree with you that it is not about traditional gender roles. also about the N word i just remember a famous joke by chris rock who talked about black people and niggers. he stated that these are 2 types of people. i tend to agree with him.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I find hard to swallow that certain racial slurs are more valued than others. One can defend a word as racism and yet thinks another slur is a lighter offend.
If all men are create equal, surely we're not treated equally. hehe, but that's another discussion.
Oh yes, agreed with the OP, sexism is more tolerated than racism.
instead of using the word bitch why can't you just say that she is unpleasent, rude and arrogant. i don't agree with you that it is not about traditional gender roles. also about the N word i just remember a famous joke by chris rock who talked about black people and niggers. he stated that these are 2 types of people. i tend to agree with him.
Wouldn't you call a man with the same behavior a prick or a dick? That is what I call them, especially when I want to emphasize it is a man exhibiting the behavior. And, in using prick or dick, I am implying that I believe this man is inferior to other men. I think bitch can be used in the same way with the added twist that the bitch in question is inferior to both men and other women who are more compliant. To avoid the whole gender problem, I use asshole for a person exhibiting the behavior. Everyone has an asshole, and they can be a source of annoyance to both genders.
you make a very good point, so maybe a new questiosn that has to be asked is does calling a man a prick or a dick have the same meaning as calling a women a slut, bitch or tramp?
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
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I like a lot of what you wrote Pacomc79. But, I wanted to respond to the quoted text.
She doesn't have to change her name. She and you could still file taxes together without the same last name, so it's really just fulfilling the cultural norm. I don't have my husband's last name, but we are still recognized by the government as a married couple.
yes, indeed, she's actually just adding my name on the end, so now she has four. It is her choice to do it or not I guess, still I do not envy the whole changing of the name on every government document.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Sexism implies that one thinks women (other the other gender) are less able, less intelligent, less skilful...
There's a professor at my school and no doubt she's intelligent, no one would deny that, she's also a very good lecturer but she's extremely unpleasant, she's rude to everyone, she arrogant... She's a bitch. There's nothing sexist about it. It doesn't have anything to do with her gender. You can say I call her a bitch because she's not following the traditional gender roles, but that's ridiculous. Not following traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean being rude, aggressive, offensive, insulting people... A man with the same personality will also be called an asshole. It's not about gender, it's about their extremely unpleasant character.
I agree it can be sexist at times, though, not every time. I don't think you can say the same about the word nigger. It only has one connotation. It is always racist. When you use that word, it's not linked to character but to race.
But the word itself is a gendered word, regardless of whether you intend it to be that way. Just as with the word "nigger," you can't separate it from its historical context. You can't call a white woman a "nigger" and expect that to be more acceptable just because you mean it in a different context than it was originally intended. So regardless of whether someone is rude, aggressive, offensive, or insulting, if you take a word that ultimately refers back to women and use it as an insult, that's sexist.
Sexism implies that one thinks women (other the other gender) are less able, less intelligent, less skilful...
There's a professor at my school and no doubt she's intelligent, no one would deny that, she's also a very good lecturer but she's extremely unpleasant, she's rude to everyone, she arrogant... She's a bitch. There's nothing sexist about it. It doesn't have anything to do with her gender. You can say I call her a bitch because she's not following the traditional gender roles, but that's ridiculous. Not following traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean being rude, aggressive, offensive, insulting people... A man with the same personality will also be called an asshole. It's not about gender, it's about their extremely unpleasant character.
I agree it can be sexist at times, though, not every time. I don't think you can say the same about the word nigger. It only has one connotation. It is always racist. When you use that word, it's not linked to character but to race.
why don't you call her rude then? or extremely unpleasant? the word bitch historically is gendered and offensive to women regardless to whom it is applied. if it wasn't, and if sexism wasn't a problem, we wouldn't still be having these conversations.
edit: this seems to be a repeat of sorts. sorry!
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you make a very good point, so maybe a new questiosn that has to be asked is does calling a man a prick or a dick have the same meaning as calling a women a slut, bitch or tramp?
i'd say it doesn't have the same power when using it in regards to the dominant gender. they'll always have more power as long as they're the dominant gender and these words won't have the same meaning or effect. men aren't being oppressed with/by the word prick. words with negative connotations used on a marginalized or oppressed culture, gender, ethnicity, will be different (like bitch, cunt, nigger, wetback, etc.)
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i'd say it doesn't have the same power when using it in regards to the dominant gender. they'll always have more power as long as they're the dominant gender and these words won't have the same meaning or effect. men aren't being oppressed with/by the word prick. words with negative connotations used on a marginalized or oppressed culture, gender, ethnicity, will be different (like bitch, cunt, nigger, wetback, etc.)
i could not write a better response myself. Good work!
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Sure they can, but are they?
That is what we are talking about.
well ... the only time those words get used by me is in conversation with male friends about them ... i will use almost any word in reference to them and they back at me ...
i guess what it boils down to is that if by my usage of these words someone is perceived as sexist by the female gender - i need to be more aware of it but i've never heard of it like that ...
imo - being called a bitch or asshole is the exact same thing
instead of using the word bitch why can't you just say that she is unpleasent, rude and arrogant. i don't agree with you that it is not about traditional gender roles.
Sure, I can say she is rude, unpleasant and arrogant and sometimes I do. Are you seriously saying a person can never call someone a name? That's ridiculous.
It's not about gender roles, maybe it is with you not with me.
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One such woman who I personally look up to and believe is a fantastic role model for women, is Mary Robinson, former Irish president... she took the job and made it her own... but never did she have to do it the mans way. She was graceful, had integrity, was a calm and composed speaker, she never backed down from what she believed in (note, I'm sure she still has all these qualities). She really changed things for women in Ireland and for the job of the president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Robinson
I really believe a woman can be a leader and yet still be a woman... when they try to do it the mans way is where they fail.
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It really depends on the person, one would have to be an absolute fool to think there is some kind of supremacy eminating from simply skin pigmentation or the lack there of. Words are words and many people who use them are not thinking rationally. I believe many people are predjudiced against a particular culture without being racist.
I would imagine the same goes with sexism. Women and men are inherently different which is quite a good thing really. Being a huge fan of choice in general in all aspects of life, equal pay for equal work is just obvious. I tend to believe due to the nature of the sexes and their passions the numbers are more skewed than they should be. I generally don't understand the she has do to it the mans way or that kind of comment but some industries are heavilly weighted towards a particular sex over the other, in as such the basic attitude will take on either the male atmosphere or the female atmosphere. For instance a hair salon will be different than a barber shop.
What I'm all about is choice. Obviously society has it's norms or what it perceives as norms and they change on racial ethnic class and religious lines to name a few.
Are there ideas that women can't do a specific job... sure. Are they warrented... hell no. Sex organs don't make you who you are... your brain does.
Ok so there are inherent differences... but by nature working toegther we learn to use them effectively. In some cases men take on traits more often exibited by women and vise versa.
I think the perceptions currently are worse than reality. The idea that you have to act "manly" to get ahead is a fallacy... what is manly when it comes to politics for instance? There's certainly a difference in style from man to man as there is from woman to woman.
The idea that you cannot perform a task if you are black or have female sex organs is utterly preposterous and has been proven time and time again.
Everyone even men and women vary in thier hopes dreams and desires. Outside of common traits certain individuals are going to be better at a particular task whether they are male or female. I don't typically think having or not having skin pigmentation or having a Vagina or Penis altoegther amount for much... it's always the content of your character no matter if you are treated fairly or unfairly. The response to the unfair is almost always more indicative of character than true fairness.
With this all being said I still recognise that there are laws in place that are draconian and prohibitive as VG has already stated. Hell, as I stand on the footsteps of marriage, I realize how lucky I am to not have to go through the ridiculousness to change my name. She will have to spend a full day of work without pay going through the various governmental hoops to change her name to add mine to fulfill this cultural norm.... to basically file taxes toegther and make us family in the eyes of government. Hell you can't even get that if you're homosexual. There's a long way to go certainly.
Perhaps sexism is more pervasive because it goes across all racial ethnic social and religous lines It's rooted in culture in general.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
In 'polite society' they would seldom call women sluts, bitches and tramps, it'd be more like,"that coarse, unrefined chambermaid is rather like an exposed deformity I say, her incursions into our conversation are very foolish and cast a gloomy shadow over our higher object at hand, quite upsetting. Don't you agree Adela?" --Pankhurst overheard at lunch, Connaught Place.1904--
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i think many people were---especially women who fought so hard in the 50s, 60s, and 70s for certain rights. i just hope this wasn't it. maybe in 8 years, or 4 years, who knows. we need to work harder to make it easier for more women to get into local, senate, or house positions and grow a nice base from which women can grow into leadership positions. it's happening slowly, but could you imagine a congress that is actually somewhat representative of the people?
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I like a lot of what you wrote Pacomc79. But, I wanted to respond to the quoted text.
She doesn't have to change her name. She and you could still file taxes together without the same last name, so it's really just fulfilling the cultural norm. I don't have my husband's last name, but we are still recognized by the government as a married couple.
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Sexism implies that one thinks women (other the other gender) are less able, less intelligent, less skilful...
There's a professor at my school and no doubt she's intelligent, no one would deny that, she's also a very good lecturer but she's extremely unpleasant, she's rude to everyone, she arrogant... She's a bitch. There's nothing sexist about it. It doesn't have anything to do with her gender. You can say I call her a bitch because she's not following the traditional gender roles, but that's ridiculous. Not following traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean being rude, aggressive, offensive, insulting people... A man with the same personality will also be called an asshole. It's not about gender, it's about their extremely unpleasant character.
I agree it can be sexist at times, though, not every time. I don't think you can say the same about the word nigger. It only has one connotation. It is always racist. When you use that word, it's not linked to character but to race.
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That is what we are talking about.
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Wouldn't you call a man with the same behavior a prick or a dick? That is what I call them, especially when I want to emphasize it is a man exhibiting the behavior. And, in using prick or dick, I am implying that I believe this man is inferior to other men. I think bitch can be used in the same way with the added twist that the bitch in question is inferior to both men and other women who are more compliant. To avoid the whole gender problem, I use asshole for a person exhibiting the behavior. Everyone has an asshole, and they can be a source of annoyance to both genders.
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instead of using the word bitch why can't you just say that she is unpleasent, rude and arrogant. i don't agree with you that it is not about traditional gender roles. also about the N word i just remember a famous joke by chris rock who talked about black people and niggers. he stated that these are 2 types of people. i tend to agree with him.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
If all men are create equal, surely we're not treated equally. hehe, but that's another discussion.
Oh yes, agreed with the OP, sexism is more tolerated than racism.
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you make a very good point, so maybe a new questiosn that has to be asked is does calling a man a prick or a dick have the same meaning as calling a women a slut, bitch or tramp?
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
oh that was low.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
yes, indeed, she's actually just adding my name on the end, so now she has four. It is her choice to do it or not I guess, still I do not envy the whole changing of the name on every government document.
But the word itself is a gendered word, regardless of whether you intend it to be that way. Just as with the word "nigger," you can't separate it from its historical context. You can't call a white woman a "nigger" and expect that to be more acceptable just because you mean it in a different context than it was originally intended. So regardless of whether someone is rude, aggressive, offensive, or insulting, if you take a word that ultimately refers back to women and use it as an insult, that's sexist.
why don't you call her rude then? or extremely unpleasant? the word bitch historically is gendered and offensive to women regardless to whom it is applied. if it wasn't, and if sexism wasn't a problem, we wouldn't still be having these conversations.
edit: this seems to be a repeat of sorts. sorry!
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i'd say it doesn't have the same power when using it in regards to the dominant gender. they'll always have more power as long as they're the dominant gender and these words won't have the same meaning or effect. men aren't being oppressed with/by the word prick. words with negative connotations used on a marginalized or oppressed culture, gender, ethnicity, will be different (like bitch, cunt, nigger, wetback, etc.)
cross the river to the eastside
i could not write a better response myself. Good work!
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
well ... the only time those words get used by me is in conversation with male friends about them ... i will use almost any word in reference to them and they back at me ...
i guess what it boils down to is that if by my usage of these words someone is perceived as sexist by the female gender - i need to be more aware of it but i've never heard of it like that ...
imo - being called a bitch or asshole is the exact same thing
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Sure, I can say she is rude, unpleasant and arrogant and sometimes I do. Are you seriously saying a person can never call someone a name? That's ridiculous.
It's not about gender roles, maybe it is with you not with me.
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