9/11 Mysteries

MakingWaves

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah first time in 50 years NORAD had it's head up it's ass in the most heavily protected airspace in North America...probably the world.

But we have to prove it the to overtly naive who think were just conspiracy nuts.

lol...who's fooling who?

You keep dragging me back in.

One jet responded to Payne Stewarts plane and it took about 80 minutes which is about the same amount of time it took the jets to respond on 9/11. Seems consistent to me. What do you think, they sit there with the jets turned on ready to go at a moments notice. Again, sounds good but come back to reality.

even flow?

MakingWaves wrote:

You keep dragging me back in.

One jet responded to Payne Stewarts plane and it took about 80 minutes which is about the same amount of time it took the jets to respond on 9/11. Seems consistent to me. What do you think, they sit there with the jets turned on ready to go at a moments notice. Again, sounds good but come back to reality.

Almost, and I mean almost as good as your side trying to tell me that true terrorism would actually go after "figures" of the US instead of dropping those planes straight down on Manhattan. :rolleyes: Incase you and your buds aren't up to what terrorism is all about. Strange that they didn't target the parliament in the UK or in Spain.

polaris

MakingWaves wrote:

You keep dragging me back in.

One jet responded to Payne Stewarts plane and it took about 80 minutes which is about the same amount of time it took the jets to respond on 9/11. Seems consistent to me. What do you think, they sit there with the jets turned on ready to go at a moments notice. Again, sounds good but come back to reality.

c'mon ... they knew a bunch of planes were hijacked ... the first plane hit ... and how long before the second one hit and no fighter planes in the air when there was a base close by? ... not even for the pentagon??

CorporateWhore

SweetHarmonics wrote:

lolz all around

at some point you have to wonder how a bunch of Arabs fooled and duped the most sophisticated defense system in the history of the planet

that's alone is completely unfathomable and subsequently hard to believe

A pro golfer's errant lear jet (Payne Stewart) brought out multiple military aircraft in response. I guess on 9-11 those guys who responded to Payne Stewart's airplane were just jacking off instead. Either that or they were given 'stand down' orders....I wonder which one is more apt to the truth?

Payne Stewart's was the only flight in the past decade to receive a response from the military. There have been thousands of other planes to have issues that warranted a military response.

What of them? Were they jacking off for all those too?

jlew24asu

polaris wrote:

c'mon ... they knew a bunch of planes were hijacked ... the first plane hit ... and how long before the second one hit and no fighter planes in the air when there was a base close by? ... not even for the pentagon??

amazing isnt it? we were very unprepared for such an attack and it showed

MakingWaves

even flow? wrote:

Almost, and I mean almost as good as your side trying to tell me that true terrorism would actually go after "figures" of the US instead of dropping those planes straight down on Manhattan. :rolleyes: Incase you and your buds aren't up to what terrorism is all about. Strange that they didn't target the parliament in the UK or in Spain.

Are you saying what i said is false? Please tell me what part was false.

I don't even know what you are really trying to say honestly. Your english needs some work.

MakingWaves

polaris wrote:

c'mon ... they knew a bunch of planes were hijacked ... the first plane hit ... and how long before the second one hit and no fighter planes in the air when there was a base close by? ... not even for the pentagon??

If i remember correctly there are only a handful of planes that are on standby at one time. At least at the time of 9/11. So yes I am saying exactly what you said because it is fact. Like i said before, we weren't at war and they don't have these planes sitting there running waiting to take off, in fact if i remember correctly there was not a plane on standby that day in the DC area. I could be wrong but anyway, the response time was normal.

even flow?

MakingWaves wrote:

Are you saying what i said is false? Please tell me what part was false.

I don't even know what you are really trying to say honestly. Your english needs some work.

You and your boy from Chicago need to brush up on your English or visit more places then the States for vacations if you can't understand. english, that is a good one.


Not false, but bullshit. A no fly zone get penetrated and nothing goes up. Okay, your not even close to the mark.

MakingWaves

even flow? wrote:

You and your boy from Chicago need to brush up on your English or visit more places then the States for vacations if you can't understand. english, that is a good one.


Not false, but bullshit. A no fly zone get penetrated and nothing goes up. Okay, your not even close to the mark.

I think you meant "a no fly zone 'got' penetrated". But again, which part of what i said was bullshit?

But anyway, something did go up, the planes were scrambled and it took approximately 80 minutes for the order to go out and for them to intercept. That is the facts and is a normal response time. Would that happen now, i hope not. We are more prepared now. Remember, nothing of this magnitude had ever happened before.

polaris

MakingWaves wrote:

If i remember correctly there are only a handful of planes that are on standby at one time. At least at the time of 9/11. So yes I am saying exactly what you said because it is fact. Like i said before, we weren't at war and they don't have these planes sitting there running waiting to take off, in fact if i remember correctly there was not a plane on standby that day in the DC area. I could be wrong but anyway, the response time was normal.

so ... you are going to make speculative assumptions based on your personal opinion ... you can't say it is fact when both you and i don't know for sure ... you can only assume because this is what you want to believe ...

for me - i don't see how you can NOT have a plane on standby near manhattan or dc ... we're not talking iowa here ... we're talking the nation's capital ... if there is a hit list for terrorists - where do you think those 2 places are gonna be ranked? ...

jlew24asu

MakingWaves wrote:

Are you saying what i said is false? Please tell me what part was false.

I don't even know what you are really trying to say honestly. Your english needs some work.

thank you!!!!

MakingWaves

polaris wrote:

so ... you are going to make speculative assumptions based on your personal opinion ... you can't say it is fact when both you and i don't know for sure ... you can only assume because this is what you want to believe ...

for me - i don't see how you can NOT have a plane on standby near manhattan or dc ... we're not talking iowa here ... we're talking the nation's capital ... if there is a hit list for terrorists - where do you think those 2 places are gonna be ranked? ...

"According to the 9/11 Commission, Andrews had no available fighters on alert that morning..

"All the hijacked aircraft were in one of NORAD’s Continental U.S. sectors, the Northeast Air Defense Sector (also known as NEADS). NEADS is based in Rome, New York. On 9/11, it could call on two alert sites, each with one pair of ready fighters. These were the 2 Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia".
9/11 Commission Staff Statement 17

Some sites say this is hard to believe, because it’s known that Andrews had “combat ready” fighters.

"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".
http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/murder.html

However, the term "combat ready" does not mean "available to launch within minutes" on an emergency intercept. It's a more general term than that. For example, the 180th Fighter Wing page tells us that:

"The mission of the 112th Fighter Squadron is to provide combat ready aircrews capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 24 hours of notification".
http://www.ohtole.ang.af.mil/aboutus/OrgPage/180Units.html

Airman (the “magazine of America’s Air Force”) offers some confirmation that Andrews wasn’t always on alert, at least when this article was published back in December 1999:

The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall. The Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Homestead, alert birds also sit armed and ready at Tyndall; Langley AFB, Va.; Otis Air National Guard Base, Mass.; Portland International Airport, Ore.; March ARB, Calif.; and Ellington Field, Texas.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm"


but again, nothing had ever happened like this before and people didn't think it could happen here.

jlew24asu

9/11 commission report?????? pfffffftt so brainwashed. :rolleyes:

Drowned Out

jlew24asu wrote:

want some cheeze with that wine? grow a pair of fucking balls and quit crying.
I'm not asking for evidence. I keep asking over and over what you and other think about peoples involvement. for example.... who planned 9/11? cheney? silverstein? bush? how many people in the american government KNEW that planes would fly into those buildings that day? some say the planning took years before 9/11/01. its just so amazing to me how it never leaked and was pulled off with such perfection.

If I was more specific, you would have asked for evidence. Like I said, how would I know who was involved, how many people, exactly how it was pulled off? I have no clue…if I did I wouldn't explain it to you just so that you can ridicule and insult me. Did you ever think that a lot of this "conspiracy" stuff IS leaked truth? Or slightly manipulated truths designed to disinform? That is the biggest obstacle for anyone interested in the truth, wading thru the BS…the BS comes from both sides, and if there is a cover-up, it only helps the perpetrators to have a million possible versions of the truth floating around….

jlew24asu wrote:

the WTC was attacked in 1993 by guess who, Islamic extremists, practicing something we call terrorism.

An Islamic extremist "cell" that had already been infiltrated by the FBI…..they were warned in advance about that one too…but whoops! Did nothing that time either….many people believe that government agencies were complicit in that attack as well, as another false flag operation.

jlew24asu wrote:

sounds like you dont like him personally. this is so far from any proof he was even remotely involved in even knowing planes would hit those buildings.

I don't dislike him, I don't know him. Did you read what I wrote about him? I suggested that maybe he knew nothing at all….I DON'T KNOW…but I'm keeping an open mind about it because of the reasons I already stated….do you have proof that he didn't know?

jlew24asu wrote:

no I wont ask for proof and I appreciate your asinine honesty. "osama was probably involved" "cheney knew everything" yea dont worry, I wont ask for proof, i'm just having fun making you look like an ass. how can I ask you to prove the unprovable.

You can't…without someone that was involved showing hard evidence, it IS unprovable, that goes both ways. But it sounds like you're trying to tell me that the US government has it right…who's the ass?

jlew24asu wrote:

you really do believe the bullshit that flows from your ass, I mean your mouth. yea I know all about this big "power down conspiracy". this was in only 1 tower. amazing how they both came down anyway. and I hate to break it to ya, but not even the mafia can keep their mouth shut. but somehow, just somehow, SEVERAL people directly involved in the largest most catastrophic event in american history have managed to not say anything for almost 8 years.

If the power down thing applies to only one tower (doesn't make sense to me since they were upgrading security, but I'll take your word for it), then sure, that theory is pretty much shot. I used the cable guys as an example of how people could have unwittingly participated in the preparations…sounds like you're reading what you want to read in my post…not surprising.
Uh, ya….would you care less about your family because they're 8 years older? I honestly believe that eventually people will start speaking up….public opinion on this is shifting, and that will give people confidence…but like I said, no single person will bring this to light…

jlew24asu wrote:

thanks for playing.

No prob, fuck you very much. Ballsy enough for ya there bud?

polaris

MakingWaves wrote:

"According to the 9/11 Commission, Andrews had no available fighters on alert that morning..

"All the hijacked aircraft were in one of NORAD’s Continental U.S. sectors, the Northeast Air Defense Sector (also known as NEADS). NEADS is based in Rome, New York. On 9/11, it could call on two alert sites, each with one pair of ready fighters. These were the 2 Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia".
9/11 Commission Staff Statement 17

Some sites say this is hard to believe, because it’s known that Andrews had “combat ready” fighters.

"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".
http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/murder.html

However, the term "combat ready" does not mean "available to launch within minutes" on an emergency intercept. It's a more general term than that. For example, the 180th Fighter Wing page tells us that:

"The mission of the 112th Fighter Squadron is to provide combat ready aircrews capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 24 hours of notification".
http://www.ohtole.ang.af.mil/aboutus/OrgPage/180Units.html

Airman (the “magazine of America’s Air Force”) offers some confirmation that Andrews wasn’t always on alert, at least when this article was published back in December 1999:

The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall. The Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Homestead, alert birds also sit armed and ready at Tyndall; Langley AFB, Va.; Otis Air National Guard Base, Mass.; Portland International Airport, Ore.; March ARB, Calif.; and Ellington Field, Texas.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm"


but again, nothing had ever happened like this before and people didn't think it could happen here.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080234

it's obvious that report was whitewashed ... similar to how certain people are exempt for testimony with regards to the justice dept firings ...

this particular example is just one of many where "benefit of the doubt" has to be granted ...

there is only one question that matters to me (all the other questions here - it would take someone with lots of power to get the real truth) - and that is - who has benefited from the events of 9-11 and how?

jlew24asu

Drowned Out wrote:

No prob, fuck you very much. Ballsy enough for ya there bud?

thats better

MakingWaves

polaris wrote:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080234

it's obvious that report was whitewashed ... similar to how certain people are exempt for testimony with regards to the justice dept firings ...

this particular example is just one of many where "benefit of the doubt" has to be granted ...

there is only one question that matters to me (all the other questions here - it would take someone with lots of power to get the real truth) - and that is - who has benefited from the events of 9-11 and how?

And I agree that who has benefitted from the events of 9-11 and how is a good question to ask.

jlew24asu

I love this country more then anything. but on 9/11 I think our government completely failed in preventing and protecting us from this attack. I think there were some in the FBI that knew al queda wanted to attack us with planes. (proved by the FBI memo)

I believe OBL and al queda solely planned and carried out the attacks. I also believe the government lied to us about details concerned what happened that day. they tried to cover up so many mistakes that were made.

I firmly believe the 2 towers came down 100% because of the 2 huge fucking airplanes that hit them.

WTC 7 ? its possible it was taken down on purpose. so I wont go 100% on that one. BUT if it was taken down on purpose, no one died or was hurt. and the building use useless.

I base all my information from www. itsontheinternetsoitmustbetrue.com

MakingWaves

jlew24asu wrote:

I love this country more then anything. but on 9/11 I think our government completely failed in preventing and protecting us from this attack. I think there were some in the FBI that knew al queda wanted to attack us with planes. (proved by the FBI memo)

I believe OBL and al queda solely planned and carried out the attacks. I also believe the government lied to us about details concerned what happened that day. they tried to cover up so many mistakes that were made.

I firmly believe the 2 towers came down 100% because of the 2 huge fucking airplanes that hit them.

WTC 7 ? its possible it was taken down on purpose. so I wont go 100% on that one. BUT if it was taken down on purpose, no one died or was hurt. and the building use useless.

I base all my information from www. itsontheinternetsoitmustbetrue.com

I agree 100%

Drowned Out

jlew24asu wrote:

I love this country more then anything. but on 9/11 I think our government completely failed in preventing and protecting us from this attack. I think there were some in the FBI that knew al queda wanted to attack us with planes. (proved by the FBI memo)

I believe OBL and al queda solely planned and carried out the attacks. I also believe the government lied to us about details concerned what happened that day. they tried to cover up so many mistakes that were made.

I firmly believe the 2 towers came down 100% because of the 2 huge fucking airplanes that hit them.

WTC 7 ? its possible it was taken down on purpose. so I wont go 100% on that one. BUT if it was taken down on purpose, no one died or was hurt. and the building use useless.

I base all my information from www. itsontheinternetsoitmustbetrue.com

WTC 7 was useless? The exchange commision investigations were nothing, huh? The CIA offices that might have held files that might have held clues about 9/11 were of not consequence either? Because no one died, you're not curious as to why they'd lie about bringing it down intentionally (since you admit it's possible)?

your version is somewhat plausible...but myself, I don't buy that those towers fell so perfectly solely because of planes hitting them. There are one or two other things that don't sit right about that day as well...:rolleyes:

where exactly do you get your information from?