Who cares what it says about them. It's their fucking country, let them run it as they see fit. Hell we allow a complete fucking douchebag to be our president why should we judge them for doing the same.
well, seeing how you are defending them, it matters
didn't answer the joking question...i said that because that's the preferred method over there
Many, acctually it's all of the permenent Security Council member minus the US, criticize israel's retalitory actions. That does not equate to the Un hating Israel. No member of the Security Council has ever stated that israel does not have the right to defend itself from terrorism but they have often been critical of the methods that the Israeli government/military employes in doing so. Maybe you believe that launching missles or bombing an aprtment complex killing dozens of innocent people in order to kill one Hamas leader is acceptable but most people do not. In the opinions of many that is terrorism if not barbaric at the least. The US is the only nation that condones this type of behavior from Israel by not condemning it. The UN does not hate Israel they merely disaprove of their actions. Stop believing all the bullshit that is fed to us about israel being this poor defenseless nation with only one friend in this big bad world.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
maybe you hate or dont care to see Israel exist. most in america do. THAT IS MY ANSWER OK????? GOT IT NOW???? DO YOU?/????? DONT ASK WHY AGAIN
great answer. israel matters to america becos americans think israel matters. can't argue with that logic. :rolleyes: "it just does!" this is what is called in any logical or intellectual circles a circular argument. you use your premise as proof that your conclusion is inevitably true. you attempt to prove your conclusion by using your conclusion as evidence. you say israel matters becos people think israel matters. that is not an answer. why people think israel matters what i'm after. becos i don't see why and wonder if i'm missing something. but you're not helping much in terms of showing me any reason to think israel's existence affects america. you canot offer your own reasons as to why israel matter to you, nor any reasons americans in general think israel's existence matters.
I cant help it if you dont like my fucking answers.
what the fuck is wrong with you. I answered why 3 times now. what is your fucking deal?
america and many americans support Israel's right to have a country of their own.
I can sit and do nothing but reply "why" to your posts but we wouldnt get very far would we.. fuck dude, you really sound like a 11 year kid with zero education. pull it together.
no you have not answered why. americans could support palestine and their right to have a country of their own. why do we choose israel over them? why do we care which occurs? this is the question i keep asking. becos at present, i don't see what difference it makes and the only "asnwer" you give me is "it just does, ok?". clearly, many people do think it makes a difference, you included. i ask why becos i wonder if i may be missing something.
didn't answer the joking question...i said that because that's the preferred method over there
I dislike any group,country person or whatever thay hurts another, unless in self defense.
Israel has given the world enough reason to dislike her actions. the only reason someone would support israel so much so blindly is because they feel the life of an israeli is worth more than that of another.
If the avg american understood where all those tax dollars go, if the avg american put it's apathy aside and for one second cared about the truth. I'm confident that most support for israel would simply fade away.
well, seeing how you are defending them, it matters
I'm not defending them I'm just merely stating that it's non of my fucking business how they run their country. I explained the process for those that where/still are unclear. If the Ayatollah wants to let some douchebag loud mouth be the spokesman for his country so fucking be it. As an American who has a loud mouth douche bag president representing my country I'm really not in a place to criticize.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Many, acctually it's all of the permenent Security Council member minus the US, criticize israel's retalitory actions. That does not equate to the Un hating Israel. No member of the Security Council has ever stated that israel does not have the right to defend itself from terrorism but they have often been critical of the methods that the Israeli government/military employes in doing so. Maybe you believe that launching missles or bombing an aprtment complex killing dozens of innocent people in order to kill one Hamas leader is acceptable but most people do not. In the opinions of many that is terrorism if not barbaric at the least. The US is the only nation that condones this type of behavior from Israel by not condemning it. The UN does not hate Israel they merely disaprove of their actions. Stop believing all the bullshit that is fed to us about israel being this poor defenseless nation with only one friend in this big bad world.
well hell, people die...
but israel doesn't TARGET innocents...the UN doesn't say shit about those that do..
lob some rockets into israel at innocent people, no biggie...lob some back at the people that shot them and hit a bystander, all hell breaks loose.
Many, acctually it's all of the permenent Security Council member minus the US, criticize israel's retalitory actions. That does not equate to the Un hating Israel. No member of the Security Council has ever stated that israel does not have the right to defend itself from terrorism but they have often been critical of the methods that the Israeli government/military employes in doing so. Maybe you believe that launching missles or bombing an aprtment complex killing dozens of innocent people in order to kill one Hamas leader is acceptable but most people do not. In the opinions of many that is terrorism if not barbaric at the least. The US is the only nation that condones this type of behavior from Israel by not condemning it. The UN does not hate Israel they merely disaprove of their actions. Stop believing all the bullshit that is fed to us about israel being this poor defenseless nation with only one friend in this big bad world.
the world is black and white. if you're not with us, you're against us. if you question american policies, you hate america. if you criticize israeli actions, you hate israelis and jews. there is no such thing as middle ground. this is good and evil here. jesus and babies and puppies and kittens against satan and muslims and homos and evolution. you dumb hippy liberals think sometimes things are a bit more complicated than that. you're wrong!
but israel doesn't TARGET innocents...the UN say shit about those that do..
lob some rockets into israel at innocent people, no biggie...lob some back at the people that shot them and hit a bystander, all hell breaks loose.
bullshit
Israel does'nt target civilians? well with the body count, I can only conclude that israelis can't aim or just don't care if they happen to kill innocents.
but israel doesn't TARGET innocents...the UN say shit about those that do..
lob some rockets into israel at innocent people, no biggie...lob some back at the people that shot them and hit a bystander, all hell breaks loose.
bullshit
They do actually target innocents to kill from time to time.
But they also target innocents daily with mental warfare at their every move to and from work, school, family visits, access to food and medicine, clean water etc..etc..
Any torture expert will attest that mental punishment is far more damaging than physical.
They nurture the loathing and resistance to the breaking point.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
but israel doesn't TARGET innocents...the UN doesn't say shit about those that do..
lob some rockets into israel at innocent people, no biggie...lob some back at the people that shot them and hit a bystander, all hell breaks loose.
bullshit
Actually if you had any idea about what you are talking about you would know that the UN has always condemned Hamas and Hezbollah for their attacks on Israeli civilians. The UN has always pressured the Palestian government to make better attempts at weeding out militant elements from Palestine. The UN even offered to intervene during the Israeli Lebanon War. Maybe you should take the time to further your knowledge on the issue before looking foolish by posting incorrect statements and utter jibberish.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Actually if you had any idea about what you are talking about you would know that the UN has always condemned Hamas and Hezbollah for their attacks on Israeli civilians. The UN has always pressured the Palestian government to make better attempts at weeding out militant elements from Palestine. The UN even offered to intervene during the Israeli Lebanon War. Maybe you should take the time to further your knowledge on the issue before looking foolish by posting incorrect statements and utter jibberish.
i do know what i'm talking about...i watch the fucin UN in real time during last summer's little party...anti-israel big time.
i do know what i'm talking about...i watch the fucin UN in real time during last summer's little party...anti-israel big time.
the UN is a piece of piss
How where they anti-Israel? They where condemning Israel for invading another nation who had no responsibility at all in the taking of their troops. They blocked lebanese ports, destroyed Lebanese infastructure, killed innocent Lebonese civilians, weakened the Lebonese government. You don't think that these actions deserve condemnation. If so you are as hearless and barbaric as the terrorist you deem evil. Israel's actions last summer deserved condemnation and after much hestiation even the US government joined in along with the rest of the Security Council. So I guess that makes our government a piece of piss as well. You know absolutely nothing about the issue except what the talking pundits tell you. Truely sad that the majority of people in this country are in the same boat as you.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
anyway, if that's true, don't bitch about them killing some with bombs..it's more humane!
It's a fact. You don't have to know a bunch of them to know. Look it up for yourself.
You have a warped interpretation of what humane is. Think about picking up pieces of your parents shattered heads, or your brothers and sisters splattered guts, or your children's twisted and bloody limbs from the rubble of your house if you think bombs are so great. You gotta scoop them all up into a bag so you can bury them. Lovely.
Oh, and terrorism is a tactical response of desperation to an imposing, and overwhelming threat... not a race of people.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How where they anti-Israel? They where condemning Israel for invading another nation who had no responsibility at all in the taking of their troops. They blocked lebanese ports, destroyed Lebanese infastructure, killed innocent Lebonese civilians, weakened the Lebonese government. You don't think that these actions deserve condemnation. If so you are as hearless and barbaric as the terrorist you deem evil. Israel's actions last summer deserved condemnation and after much hestiation even the US government joined in along with the rest of the Security Council. So I guess that makes our government a piece of piss as well. You know absolutely nothing about the issue except what the talking pundits tell you. Truely sad that the majority of people in this country are in the same boat as you.
which brings us right back to the beginning of this thread.
i guess hamas was feeling desperation from an imposing and overwhelming bunch of peaceful protesters...SO THEY FUCKING SHOT THEM!!!
Peaceful protesters....
Go back to bed...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Neither side is doing the right thing (obviously), but at least I am capable of understanding why, instead of blindly jumping on the propaganda bandwagon.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Neither side is doing the right thing (obviously), but at least I am capable of understanding why, instead of blindly jumping on the propaganda bandwagon.
bullshit!
yr one of the biggest turban drum beaters around here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yr one of the biggest turban drum beaters around here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That would be an even bigger pile of 810wmbullshit.
You remind me of a racially intolerant person.. There's another very common term for it...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
hey, don't be a sissy, if you want to call me something, do it.
i read yr post all the time here. condescending as hell...pro anything as long as it's against america.
pop yr head outta yr ass sometimes, look around
That's actually pretty hilarious coming from you.
You mean I should be racially intolerant as per your suggestions?
No thanks.
You really should get some rest, it's beginning to show.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
great answer. israel matters to america becos americans think israel matters. can't argue with that logic. :rolleyes: "it just does!" this is what is called in any logical or intellectual circles a circular argument. you use your premise as proof that your conclusion is inevitably true. you attempt to prove your conclusion by using your conclusion as evidence. you say israel matters becos people think israel matters. that is not an answer. why people think israel matters what i'm after. becos i don't see why and wonder if i'm missing something. but you're not helping much in terms of showing me any reason to think israel's existence affects america. you canot offer your own reasons as to why israel matter to you, nor any reasons americans in general think israel's existence matters.
so why should canada exist or mexico or france or china? it just does. Unlike most countries in the Middle East, Israel is a liberal democracy and a developed country.In the region, Israel is the least corrupt, and the most progressive in terms of freedom of the press,economic competition, and human development.
no you have not answered why. americans could support palestine and their right to have a country of their own. why do we choose israel over them? why do we care which occurs? this is the question i keep asking. becos at present, i don't see what difference it makes and the only "asnwer" you give me is "it just does, ok?". clearly, many people do think it makes a difference, you included. i ask why becos i wonder if i may be missing something.
we do support palestine's right to exist. bush in particular has been pushing for a 2 state solution. sure they lean towards Israel, but hopefully something will be worked out in terms of actual borders in the near future.
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well, seeing how you are defending them, it matters
Many, acctually it's all of the permenent Security Council member minus the US, criticize israel's retalitory actions. That does not equate to the Un hating Israel. No member of the Security Council has ever stated that israel does not have the right to defend itself from terrorism but they have often been critical of the methods that the Israeli government/military employes in doing so. Maybe you believe that launching missles or bombing an aprtment complex killing dozens of innocent people in order to kill one Hamas leader is acceptable but most people do not. In the opinions of many that is terrorism if not barbaric at the least. The US is the only nation that condones this type of behavior from Israel by not condemning it. The UN does not hate Israel they merely disaprove of their actions. Stop believing all the bullshit that is fed to us about israel being this poor defenseless nation with only one friend in this big bad world.
no, it wouldn't. i don't live there. why is it sweat off your back?
great answer. israel matters to america becos americans think israel matters. can't argue with that logic. :rolleyes: "it just does!" this is what is called in any logical or intellectual circles a circular argument. you use your premise as proof that your conclusion is inevitably true. you attempt to prove your conclusion by using your conclusion as evidence. you say israel matters becos people think israel matters. that is not an answer. why people think israel matters what i'm after. becos i don't see why and wonder if i'm missing something. but you're not helping much in terms of showing me any reason to think israel's existence affects america. you canot offer your own reasons as to why israel matter to you, nor any reasons americans in general think israel's existence matters.
no you have not answered why. americans could support palestine and their right to have a country of their own. why do we choose israel over them? why do we care which occurs? this is the question i keep asking. becos at present, i don't see what difference it makes and the only "asnwer" you give me is "it just does, ok?". clearly, many people do think it makes a difference, you included. i ask why becos i wonder if i may be missing something.
I dislike any group,country person or whatever thay hurts another, unless in self defense.
Israel has given the world enough reason to dislike her actions. the only reason someone would support israel so much so blindly is because they feel the life of an israeli is worth more than that of another.
If the avg american understood where all those tax dollars go, if the avg american put it's apathy aside and for one second cared about the truth. I'm confident that most support for israel would simply fade away.
I'm not defending them I'm just merely stating that it's non of my fucking business how they run their country. I explained the process for those that where/still are unclear. If the Ayatollah wants to let some douchebag loud mouth be the spokesman for his country so fucking be it. As an American who has a loud mouth douche bag president representing my country I'm really not in a place to criticize.
well hell, people die...
but israel doesn't TARGET innocents...the UN doesn't say shit about those that do..
lob some rockets into israel at innocent people, no biggie...lob some back at the people that shot them and hit a bystander, all hell breaks loose.
bullshit
the world is black and white. if you're not with us, you're against us. if you question american policies, you hate america. if you criticize israeli actions, you hate israelis and jews. there is no such thing as middle ground. this is good and evil here. jesus and babies and puppies and kittens against satan and muslims and homos and evolution. you dumb hippy liberals think sometimes things are a bit more complicated than that. you're wrong!
Israel does'nt target civilians? well with the body count, I can only conclude that israelis can't aim or just don't care if they happen to kill innocents.
They do actually target innocents to kill from time to time.
But they also target innocents daily with mental warfare at their every move to and from work, school, family visits, access to food and medicine, clean water etc..etc..
Any torture expert will attest that mental punishment is far more damaging than physical.
They nurture the loathing and resistance to the breaking point.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
Actually if you had any idea about what you are talking about you would know that the UN has always condemned Hamas and Hezbollah for their attacks on Israeli civilians. The UN has always pressured the Palestian government to make better attempts at weeding out militant elements from Palestine. The UN even offered to intervene during the Israeli Lebanon War. Maybe you should take the time to further your knowledge on the issue before looking foolish by posting incorrect statements and utter jibberish.
how many torture experts do you know?
anyway, if that's true, don't bitch about them killing some with bombs..it's more humane!
i do know what i'm talking about...i watch the fucin UN in real time during last summer's little party...anti-israel big time.
the UN is a piece of piss
How where they anti-Israel? They where condemning Israel for invading another nation who had no responsibility at all in the taking of their troops. They blocked lebanese ports, destroyed Lebanese infastructure, killed innocent Lebonese civilians, weakened the Lebonese government. You don't think that these actions deserve condemnation. If so you are as hearless and barbaric as the terrorist you deem evil. Israel's actions last summer deserved condemnation and after much hestiation even the US government joined in along with the rest of the Security Council. So I guess that makes our government a piece of piss as well. You know absolutely nothing about the issue except what the talking pundits tell you. Truely sad that the majority of people in this country are in the same boat as you.
It's a fact. You don't have to know a bunch of them to know. Look it up for yourself.
You have a warped interpretation of what humane is. Think about picking up pieces of your parents shattered heads, or your brothers and sisters splattered guts, or your children's twisted and bloody limbs from the rubble of your house if you think bombs are so great. You gotta scoop them all up into a bag so you can bury them. Lovely.
Oh, and terrorism is a tactical response of desperation to an imposing, and overwhelming threat... not a race of people.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
hahaha! funny
hahahaha
which brings us right back to the beginning of this thread.
i guess hamas was feeling desperation from an imposing and overwhelming bunch of peaceful protesters...SO THEY FUCKING SHOT THEM!!!
You just proved my point that you know absoluetly nothing about the situation. The only humor I see is your lack of an intelligent responce.
Peaceful protesters....
Go back to bed...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
you are wrong...i just don't agree
that better?
then hamas did the right thing in yr eyes?
You can believe what you want. Just don't confuse your beliefs with facts because they are far from it.
Neither side is doing the right thing (obviously), but at least I am capable of understanding why, instead of blindly jumping on the propaganda bandwagon.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
wrong
bullshit!
yr one of the biggest turban drum beaters around here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That would be an even bigger pile of 810wmbullshit.
You remind me of a racially intolerant person.. There's another very common term for it...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
dude, yr nuts...intolerant is where you live
hey, don't be a sissy, if you want to call me something, do it.
i read yr post all the time here. condescending as hell...pro anything as long as it's against america.
pop yr head outta yr ass sometimes, look around
That's actually pretty hilarious coming from you.
You mean I should be racially intolerant as per your suggestions?
No thanks.
You really should get some rest, it's beginning to show.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Again your beliefs do not equate to facts.
so why should canada exist or mexico or france or china? it just does. Unlike most countries in the Middle East, Israel is a liberal democracy and a developed country.In the region, Israel is the least corrupt, and the most progressive in terms of freedom of the press,economic competition, and human development.
we do support palestine's right to exist. bush in particular has been pushing for a 2 state solution. sure they lean towards Israel, but hopefully something will be worked out in terms of actual borders in the near future.