I don't know about other here but I'm not suggesting that we cut ties with Irsael. We can support Israel militarily but then we also have to face the consequences of their actions. As I have stated before Israel is often barbaric in the way it retaliates to terrorist attacks. If we feel that we must provide Israel with military aid in order to defend itself it should also come with the responsibility of chastising them when they go too far, which the US government does not do. It is not the selling of arms and weaponary that I find irresponsible but the fact that when the international community want to send a message to Israel about it's tactics we are quick to block that attempt and defend Israel's actions tooth and nail knowing that their actions where wrong.
hitler prob didn't either, but if one feels it's his calling, he ain't too fucking worried about the rest of the world.
remember, if they go out in a blaze of glory, the get to nail some virgins
The Iranian High Council has no desire to destroy Israel or go out in a blaze of glory and Ahmedinajad can't even take a shit without their permission. So all this fear mongering that Iran is hell bent of wiping Israel off the face of the earth is utter bullshit. If people actually took the time to learn how the Iranian government operates they would see that Ahmedinajad's talk is just fucking smoke. It's the Ayatollah who has the real power and he has stated on record that Iran has no interest in engaging in any war with Israel or the US.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
hitler prob didn't either, but if one feels it's his calling, he ain't too fucking worried about the rest of the world.
remember, if they go out in a blaze of glory, the get to nail some virgins
Iran as a country is not that insane, let alone it's leaders. That not an accurate statement. That's propaganda talking.
The Jewish Zionists are the biggest anti-semites going, as they are generating more hatred towards Israel, and the Jews, than anyone ever did.
The Jews have the world's sympathy from the holocaust, however the Zionists movement is quickly eroding it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The Iranian High Council has no desire to destroy Israel or go out in a blaze of glory and Ahmedinajad can't even take a shit without their permission. So all this fear mongering that Iran is hell bent of wiping Israel off the face of the earth is utter bullshit. If people actually took the time to learn how the Iranian government operates they would see that Ahmedinajad's talk is just fucking smoke. It's the Ayatollah who has the real power and he has stated on record that Iran has no interest in engaging in any war with Israel or the US.
you think their stance would be the SAME, IF the US pulled all support from Israel and Iran knew it had zero threat of retaliation from the US??? of course one can only speculate but my money says things would change.
if the US turned its back against Israel why would Iran become #1 enemy? who would care or do something about it? the UN? haha
If they attacked Israel they sure would be. No one is going to be allowed to attack Israel without just cause. Every G8 country will intervene. There's also hundreds of Israeli nukes which equates to instant mutual destruction for anyone who tries.
Iran is nowhere near as foolish as all the propaganda makes them out to be.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
you think their stance would be the SAME, IF the US pulled all support from Israel and Iran knew it had zero threat of retaliation from the US??? of course one can only speculate but my money says things would change.
No they still would not attack Israel because it would still open them to an attack by the US and a coalition of other nations. Look at what happened to Iraq after invading Kuwait.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
No they still would not attack Israel because it would still open them to an attack by the US and a coalition of other nations. Look at what happened to Iraq after invading Kuwait.
but i'm saying IF there was NO risk of retaliation from the US..... none, zip, zero.
this is what soul and others are suggesting. we completely pull support of Israel because "it has nothing to do with us"
and a coalition of other nations wouldnt happen without US support. no one else in the world can militarily lead such a coalition.
If they attacked Israel they sure would be. No one is going to be allowed to attack Israel without just cause. Every G8 country will intervene. There's also hundreds of Israeli nukes which equates to instant mutual destruction for anyone who tries.
without US military support, no nation would intervene. no one is anyway near as powerful to do so. but you make a correct point. Israel nukes would deter an attack. well unless Iran had them too. hmmmmmmm
Iran is nowhere near as foolish as all the propaganda makes them out to be.
how do you know? I think the world has seen what extreme Islam is willing to do. Iran is a conservative Islamic state ya know. (at least the people in charge)
but i'm saying IF there was NO risk of retaliation from the US..... none, zip, zero.
this is what soul and others are suggesting. we completely pull support of Israel because "it has nothing to do with us"
and a coalition of other nations wouldnt happen without US support. no one else in the world can militarily lead such a coalition.
Even if we pulled all support from Israel the US, the UN, the EU, NATO, etc would not stand by while Iran attacked/invaded Israel. Iran would be initiating a war by their actions. Many countries would come to the aid of Israel including the US. I would even go as far as saying that many Middle Eastern countries would also condemn Iran's actions even going as far as offering military aid to any coalition formed to free Israel.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
shit like this really pisses me off. how is this like a typical neo con? I do not care to see Israel be destroyed. if the muslim countries in the region had the means and didnt have a threat of US retaliation, Israel would be gone. that may not mean much to you personally. but it does to America and many people living here.
why? why does it mean something to americans. do you have any answer? you keep saying cos israel would be gone... so what? i've asked this a number of times and you won't answer. it's like a typical neocon becos you cannot tell me why israel matters to america except to imply that if i don't support israel i somehow hate freedom.
I absoultely can pick and choose. I would nothing to do with a hateful organization like Hamas. I do not want to support them in anyway.
enough with saying I keep dodging your questions. you usually arent an asshole but this is getting tiresome. just because you dont like my answers doesnt mean I'm dodging anything.
the price is worth it because we are getting a free democratic Israeli country in the middle east. you dont want that, I get it.
it's got nothing to do with not liking your answers, its got to do with you not answering. you say israel would be gone. i say so what. you say israel would be gone, that's so what. that is not an answer. it's like a child saying "becos." you're smarter than childish arguments and reasoning. i'm honestly curious why a free democratic israel matters to you and/or america. becos for me, it's not that i don't want a free democratic israel, it's that i don't care becos it makes no difference to me if it's a free democratic israel or a fascist theocratic palestine. my question is still why that matters to you and how it affects your life? the price is worth it, you say. why? what benefit does the USA get from a free democratic israel in the middle east? i've asked this a number of times and you still will not answer it. that IS dodging the question.
if Israel has no military backing from the US guess what will happen to their military capabilities??? and dont tell me Hezbolla (by way of Iran and syria backing) isnt fully capable to out arming a defenseless Israel.
Isreal does not need you to fight it's battles, it's just playing on being defenceless.
this is twice now spiral. what the hell does this mean? my press isnt free? since when
Again read some books, there are lots of interesting things on the press, which is why i believe very very little of what is said in it.
Lets use Isreal as an example, you do not get the full story reported only one of poor defensless isreal being attacked, Have a scout around for all the sick things things the Isrealli army has done to innocent palistiniens.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Even if we pulled all support from Israel the US, the UN, the EU, NATO, etc would not stand by while Iran attacked/invaded Israel. Iran would be initiating a war by their actions. Many countries would come to the aid of Israel including the US. I would even go as far as saying that many Middle Eastern countries would also condemn Iran's actions even going as far as offering military aid to any coalition formed to free Israel.
you keep saying the US would care. I'm giving you a hypothetical argument, brought on by others, that ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO support from the US in anyway to Israel.
you honestly think the UN, EU, or NATO would do anything about it? ie Darfur and myarmar. US isnt involved and hundreds of thousands of people have died due to the inaction of the groups you mentioned.
Again read some books, there are lots of interesting things on the press, which is why i believe very very little of what is said in it.
Lets use Isreal as an example, you do not get the full story reported only one of poor defensless isreal being attacked, Have a scout around for all the sick things things the Isrealli army has done to innocent palistiniens.
thanks spiral I'm going to go read some books. debating with you is completely pointless.
Why exactly would Israel suddenly collapse and go up in a puff of nuclear smoke if the US stopped supporting it?
I think this is a media spun fallacy.
Certain interests have turned Israel into the blade of the axe head for carving up the middle east. The longer and deeper the cuts the more their prophecy will ring true. What is it called....a Project for a new American Cen.....uhm nevermind.
This is what they want...war never ending, Profits never ending.
Sadly (plundering) has become one of the few viable options left to maintaining the US economic growth curve.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
without US military support, no nation would intervene. no one is anyway near as powerful to do so. but you make a correct point. Israel nukes would deter an attack. well unless Iran had them too. hmmmmmmm
assured mutual destruction worked just fine to avert violent engagement during the cold war.
you keep saying the US would care. I'm giving you a hypothetical argument, brought on by others, that ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO support from the US in anyway to Israel.
you honestly think the UN, EU, or NATO would do anything about it? ie Darfur and myarmar. US isnt involved and hundreds of thousands of people have died due to the inaction of the groups you mentioned.
Darfur and Myanmar even Rwanda are all internal struggles confined within the border of one nation. You are talking about one nation invading another without any logical, legal, or defensable reason. A total act of agression on the part of Iran. The countries and entities I mentioned would not stand for that.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
i've asked this a number of times and you won't answer. it's like a typical neocon becos you cannot tell me why israel matters to america except to imply that if i don't support israel i somehow hate freedom
maybe you hate or dont care to see Israel exist. most in america do. THAT IS MY ANSWER OK????? GOT IT NOW???? DO YOU?/????? DONT ASK WHY AGAIN.
it's got nothing to do with not liking your answers, its got to do with you not answering. you say israel would be gone. i say so what. you say israel would be gone, that's so what. that is not an answer. it's like a child saying "becos." you're smarter than childish arguments and reasoning. i'm honestly curious why a free democratic israel matters to you and/or america. becos for me, it's not that i don't want a free democratic israel, it's that i don't care becos it makes no difference to me if it's a free democratic israel or a fascist theocratic palestine. my question is still why that matters to you and how it affects your life? the price is worth it, you say. why? what benefit does the USA get from a free democratic israel in the middle east? i've asked this a number of times and you still will not answer it. that IS dodging the question.
I cant help it if you dont like my fucking answers.
what the fuck is wrong with you. I answered why 3 times now. what is your fucking deal?
america and many americans support Israel's right to have a country of their own.
I can sit and do nothing but reply "why" to your posts but we wouldnt get very far would we.. fuck dude, you really sound like a 11 year kid with zero education. pull it together.
Darfur and Myanmar even Rwanda are all internal struggles confined within the border of one nation. You are talking about one nation invading another without any logical, legal, or defensable reason. A total act of agression on the part of Iran. The countries and entities I mentioned would not stand for that.
good point, but I dont really think it would make a difference. the organizations you mentioned are unless without US (military) support.
The Iranian High Council has no desire to destroy Israel or go out in a blaze of glory and Ahmedinajad can't even take a shit without their permission. So all this fear mongering that Iran is hell bent of wiping Israel off the face of the earth is utter bullshit. If people actually took the time to learn how the Iranian government operates they would see that Ahmedinajad's talk is just fucking smoke. It's the Ayatollah who has the real power and he has stated on record that Iran has no interest in engaging in any war with Israel or the US.
if the powers that be didn't support what he says, why don't they cut his fuckin head off?
Even if we pulled all support from Israel the US, the UN, the EU, NATO, etc would not stand by while Iran attacked/invaded Israel. Iran would be initiating a war by their actions. Many countries would come to the aid of Israel including the US. I would even go as far as saying that many Middle Eastern countries would also condemn Iran's actions even going as far as offering military aid to any coalition formed to free Israel.
if the powers that be didn't support what he says, why don't they cut his fuckin head off?
Because he was elected. They let him spew his shit and when his term is up a new President will be elected. He is nothing to them, a fucking figure head. As long as he doesn't try to gain power for himself they will let him be.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Because he was elected. They let him spew his shit and when his term is up a new President will be elected. He is nothing to them, a fucking figure head. As long as he doesn't try to gain power for himself they will let him be.
Disapproving of Israel's actions and allowing them to be invaded or attacked by an aggressor state are two totally and completely different things. No one on the UN Security Council would allow Iran to invade or attack Israel. If you think otherwise then your head is truely crammed way to far up into your anal cavity.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Who cares what it says about them. It's their fucking country, let them run it as they see fit. Hell we allow a complete fucking douchebag to be our president why should we judge them for doing the same.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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The Iranian High Council has no desire to destroy Israel or go out in a blaze of glory and Ahmedinajad can't even take a shit without their permission. So all this fear mongering that Iran is hell bent of wiping Israel off the face of the earth is utter bullshit. If people actually took the time to learn how the Iranian government operates they would see that Ahmedinajad's talk is just fucking smoke. It's the Ayatollah who has the real power and he has stated on record that Iran has no interest in engaging in any war with Israel or the US.
Iran as a country is not that insane, let alone it's leaders. That not an accurate statement. That's propaganda talking.
The Jewish Zionists are the biggest anti-semites going, as they are generating more hatred towards Israel, and the Jews, than anyone ever did.
The Jews have the world's sympathy from the holocaust, however the Zionists movement is quickly eroding it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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you think their stance would be the SAME, IF the US pulled all support from Israel and Iran knew it had zero threat of retaliation from the US??? of course one can only speculate but my money says things would change.
If they attacked Israel they sure would be. No one is going to be allowed to attack Israel without just cause. Every G8 country will intervene. There's also hundreds of Israeli nukes which equates to instant mutual destruction for anyone who tries.
Iran is nowhere near as foolish as all the propaganda makes them out to be.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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No they still would not attack Israel because it would still open them to an attack by the US and a coalition of other nations. Look at what happened to Iraq after invading Kuwait.
but i'm saying IF there was NO risk of retaliation from the US..... none, zip, zero.
this is what soul and others are suggesting. we completely pull support of Israel because "it has nothing to do with us"
and a coalition of other nations wouldnt happen without US support. no one else in the world can militarily lead such a coalition.
how do you know? I think the world has seen what extreme Islam is willing to do. Iran is a conservative Islamic state ya know. (at least the people in charge)
Even if we pulled all support from Israel the US, the UN, the EU, NATO, etc would not stand by while Iran attacked/invaded Israel. Iran would be initiating a war by their actions. Many countries would come to the aid of Israel including the US. I would even go as far as saying that many Middle Eastern countries would also condemn Iran's actions even going as far as offering military aid to any coalition formed to free Israel.
why? why does it mean something to americans. do you have any answer? you keep saying cos israel would be gone... so what? i've asked this a number of times and you won't answer. it's like a typical neocon becos you cannot tell me why israel matters to america except to imply that if i don't support israel i somehow hate freedom.
it's got nothing to do with not liking your answers, its got to do with you not answering. you say israel would be gone. i say so what. you say israel would be gone, that's so what. that is not an answer. it's like a child saying "becos." you're smarter than childish arguments and reasoning. i'm honestly curious why a free democratic israel matters to you and/or america. becos for me, it's not that i don't want a free democratic israel, it's that i don't care becos it makes no difference to me if it's a free democratic israel or a fascist theocratic palestine. my question is still why that matters to you and how it affects your life? the price is worth it, you say. why? what benefit does the USA get from a free democratic israel in the middle east? i've asked this a number of times and you still will not answer it. that IS dodging the question.
Isreal does not need you to fight it's battles, it's just playing on being defenceless.
Again read some books, there are lots of interesting things on the press, which is why i believe very very little of what is said in it.
Lets use Isreal as an example, you do not get the full story reported only one of poor defensless isreal being attacked, Have a scout around for all the sick things things the Isrealli army has done to innocent palistiniens.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
you keep saying the US would care. I'm giving you a hypothetical argument, brought on by others, that ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO support from the US in anyway to Israel.
you honestly think the UN, EU, or NATO would do anything about it? ie Darfur and myarmar. US isnt involved and hundreds of thousands of people have died due to the inaction of the groups you mentioned.
thanks spiral I'm going to go read some books. debating with you is completely pointless.
I think this is a media spun fallacy.
Certain interests have turned Israel into the blade of the axe head for carving up the middle east. The longer and deeper the cuts the more their prophecy will ring true. What is it called....a Project for a new American Cen.....uhm nevermind.
This is what they want...war never ending, Profits never ending.
Sadly (plundering) has become one of the few viable options left to maintaining the US economic growth curve.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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assured mutual destruction worked just fine to avert violent engagement during the cold war.
Darfur and Myanmar even Rwanda are all internal struggles confined within the border of one nation. You are talking about one nation invading another without any logical, legal, or defensable reason. A total act of agression on the part of Iran. The countries and entities I mentioned would not stand for that.
maybe you hate or dont care to see Israel exist. most in america do. THAT IS MY ANSWER OK????? GOT IT NOW???? DO YOU?/????? DONT ASK WHY AGAIN.
I cant help it if you dont like my fucking answers.
what the fuck is wrong with you. I answered why 3 times now. what is your fucking deal?
america and many americans support Israel's right to have a country of their own.
I can sit and do nothing but reply "why" to your posts but we wouldnt get very far would we.. fuck dude, you really sound like a 11 year kid with zero education. pull it together.
good point, but I dont really think it would make a difference. the organizations you mentioned are unless without US (military) support.
if the powers that be didn't support what he says, why don't they cut his fuckin head off?
and you think they are the animals?
bullshit, everyone in the fuckin UN hates israel
you joking?
if so, funny
Because he was elected. They let him spew his shit and when his term is up a new President will be elected. He is nothing to them, a fucking figure head. As long as he doesn't try to gain power for himself they will let him be.
what does that say about them?
it's horseshit
why would anyone dislike israel? hmmmm
Disapproving of Israel's actions and allowing them to be invaded or attacked by an aggressor state are two totally and completely different things. No one on the UN Security Council would allow Iran to invade or attack Israel. If you think otherwise then your head is truely crammed way to far up into your anal cavity.
Who cares what it says about them. It's their fucking country, let them run it as they see fit. Hell we allow a complete fucking douchebag to be our president why should we judge them for doing the same.
do you?
didn't answer the joking question...i said that because that's the preferred method over there
It's a doomed equation and will ALWAYS fail.
Live and die by the sword every single time.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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