Hamas...just a bunch of loveable knuckleheads
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810wmb wrote:
Then they wonder why people will not take the Hamas government seriously."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
Their own worst enemy sometimes are themselves810wmb wrote:0 -
like I said before, they are not interested in peace. they are part of the problem, and far from the solution.0
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jlew24asu wrote:like I said before, they are not interested in peace. they are part of the problem, and far from the solution.
yeah, but my problem is that they are part of a problem that is not OUR problem.0 -
soulsinging wrote:yeah, but my problem is that they are part of a problem that is not OUR problem.
but Islamic extremism is our problem. sometimes in this crazy world we live, one has to take a side. I'm confident we choose the right side in this.
there are almost more jews in america then in Israel. it should be no surprise that we do not turn our back on them.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:but Islamic extremism is our problem. sometimes in this crazy world we live, one has to take a side. I'm confident we choose the right side in this.
there are almost more jews in america then in Israel. it should be no surprise that we do not turn our back on them.
there are more muslims in america than there are in palestine. what's your point? it's not our problem. if we started using some common sense and left them the fuck alone, they'd focus on killing each other instead of us. as evidenced by the article in question. they're pissed at the world. they're pissed that they live in a fucking desert. they're pissed that their chicks can't show any skin. they're just pissed. let them take it out on each other instead of americans.0 -
The living conditions are inhumane over there and yes obviously you're going to get angry people that try to revolt. The Israeli corporations keep them just under thumb enough so that they can continue to exploit them in their factories for next to nothing wages. They are exploiting them at every avenue. The holocaust was not a free ticket to treat Palestinians inhumanely. The West Bank and Gaza are modern day concentration camps.
The situation is not equal, and the equation is stacked highly in one direction. Any guesses which direction?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:The living conditions are inhumane over there and yes obviously you're going to get angry people that try to revolt. The Israeli corporations keep them just under thumb enough so that they can continue to exploit them in their factories for next to nothing wages. They are exploiting them at every avenue. The holocaust was not a free ticket to treat Palestinians inhumanely. The West Bank and Gaza are modern day concentration camps.
The situation is not equal, and the equation is stacked highly in one direction. Any guesses which direction?
Oh so you've been?0 -
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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jlew24asu wrote:but Islamic extremism is our problem. sometimes in this crazy world we live, one has to take a side. I'm confident we choose the right side in this.
there are almost more jews in america then in Israel. it should be no surprise that we do not turn our back on them.
Yes it is a problem that we should address but go about it the wrong way. We side with israel without even questioning any of their actions, as if the Israeli government can do no wrong. By doing so we in fact become part of the problem ourselves. We wield a tremendous amount of influence over Israel and we squander it. During the Israeli-Lebanon War this summer we could have easily pulled back on the reigns. Saved the lebonese people a ton of hardship which eventually led to the weakening of their government and increased support for Hezbollah. We didn't and became part of the problem.
I'm not saying that israel doesn't have the right to defend itself from terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah but at times their retalitory tactics venture into the realm of brutal and inhumain. Yet the US offers no criticism or even attempts to cut of funding for Israel based on their actions.
If our government is truely intent on resolving the issues between the Palestinians and Israel then we need to take an unbaised stance."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
mammasan wrote:Yes it is a problem that we should address but go about it the wrong way. We side with israel without even questioning any of their actions, as if the Israeli government can do no wrong. By doing so we in fact become part of the problem ourselves. We wield a tremendous amount of influence over Israel and we squander it. During the Israeli-Lebanon War this summer we could have easily pulled back on the reigns. Saved the lebonese people a ton of hardship which eventually led to the weakening of their government and increased support for Hezbollah. We didn't and became part of the problem.
I'm not saying that israel doesn't have the right to defend itself from terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah but at times their retalitory tactics venture into the realm of brutal and inhumain. Yet the US offers no criticism or even attempts to cut of funding for Israel based on their actions.
If our government is truely intent on resolving the issues between the Palestinians and Israel then we need to take an unbaised stance.
we've held them back a bunch of times, when they should have been defending themselves. i'm glad they didn't hold them back last summer.
after awhile you gotta kill somebody.
as always, it's the people that pay for their fucked up leaders.i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat0 -
MrBrian wrote:wtf?
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anyway, america has more muslims than jews.
why are you WTF???
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html
as of 2006
Jewish population.
1 Israel 5,313,800
2 United States 5,275,000
who contributes more to america society? muslims or jews? who embraces freedom and democracy?0 -
810wmb wrote:we've held them back a bunch of times, when they should have been defending themselves. i'm glad they didn't hold them back last summer.
after awhile you gotta kill somebody.
as always, it's the people that pay for their fucked up leaders.
Well the government of Lebanon had nothing to due with the abduction of the two Israeli soldiers, yet they suffered from the war. The Lebonese government was a pro-US anti-Syrian led government. After the war that government lost much of it's support from the people because they could not defend the country from the Israeli attack. So instead of weakening Hezbollah all Israel did was weaken a government that was friendly towards them and strengthen Hezbollah.
The US may have pulled back on the reigns here and there but for the most part we stand iddly by. Like I stated Israel does have the right to defend itself and it's people from terrorist attacks, but their tactics are oftern brutal and absolute overkill. It only serves to continue the cycle of violence."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
jlew24asu wrote:who contributes more to america society? muslims or jews? who embraces freedom and democracy?
How can you say that one group contributes more to American society or that one group embraces freedom and democracy more than the other. One their is no statistic to back up your claim. Not every Muslim, specially the ones living here, is a crazed radical hellbent on converting the world to Islam living under sharia laws. Yes there are extremely conservative Muslims in the states who still follow a strick code based on the Qu'ran but look at Hasidic Jews. They live their lives by a strick code based on the Torah. Would you consider them less Americanized simply because they adhere to a strict religious code?"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
mammasan wrote:How can you say that one group contributes more to American society or that one group embraces freedom and democracy more than the other. One their is no statistic to back up your claim. Not every Muslim, specially the ones living here, is a crazed radical hellbent on converting the world to Islam living under sharia laws. Yes there are extremely conservative Muslims in the states who still follow a strick code based on the Qu'ran but look at Hasidic Jews. They live their lives by a strick code based on the Torah. Would you consider them less Americanized simply because they adhere to a strict religious code?
no, im basing my opinion on common knowledge and common sense more then hard statistics.
the strictest of religious code of jews does not result in being stoned to death.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:no, im basing my opinion on common knowledge and common sense more then hard statistics.
the strictest of religious code of jews does not result in being stoned to death.
Actually it does, but most Jews do not live under a theocracy. So do you blame the religion, of Islam that is, or simply the government officials who use that religion to supress it's people."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
mammasan wrote:Actually it does, but most Jews do not live under a theocracy. So do you blame the religion, of Islam that is, or simply the government officials who use that religion to supress it's people.
are there jews today, anywhere in the world, who penalize a person to death for not following their form of judism ?0 -
jlew24asu wrote:are there jews today, anywhere in the world, who penalize a person to death for not following their form of judism ?
I'm interested in you answer but you haven't supplied one.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:are there jews today, anywhere in the world, who penalize a person to death for not following their form of judism ?
No, but as I stated the majority of Jews do not live under a oppressive theocratic government. The Torah does state that people should be stoned to death for certain crimes and indiscretions, but people have evolved and society has become more civilized since those times. So Judaism and Islam are no different in text. The difference is that many Islamic countries are ruled by theocratic oppressive regimes who use religion as a means to control the masses, ie Saudi Arabia. So the question is do you blame the religion itself or do you blame the people who prevert the religion in order to control vast quantities of people."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0
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