Hamas...just a bunch of loveable knuckleheads

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

I'm interested in you answer but you have supplied one.

try this again. what?

jlew24asu

mammasan wrote:

No, but as I stated the majority of Jews do not live under a oppressive theocratic government. The Torah does state that people should be stoned to death for certain crimes and indiscretions, but people have evolved and society has become more civilized since those times.

but thats not true for conservative Islam. (and we are taking millions of muslims)

mammasan wrote:

So Judaism and Islam are no different in text. The difference is that many Islamic countries are ruled by theocratic oppressive regimes who use religion as a means to control the masses, ie Saudi Arabia. So the question is do you blame the religion itself or do you blame the people who prevert the religion in order to control vast quantities of people.

of course I blame the people.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

are there jews today, anywhere in the world, who penalize a person to death for not following their form of judism ?

Yeah the Zionists (not Jews...big difference) in Israel. If the Palestinians gave up their rights to distinction and bent over for them, they would get shot and bombed a whole lot less.

mammasan

jlew24asu wrote:

but thats not true for conservative Islam. (and we are taking millions of muslims)

True but you have to also look at how this people have been indoctinated since they where in the womb. From a young impressionable age they are taught at government funded religious schools that the only law that counts is Qu'ran. That what is written in those pages is how they should live their lives down to the last period. It's brainwashing at it's simplist form. For the rest of their lives they live under a government that shoves this sharia bullshit down their throat, it is all they know.

Judaism is no different than Islam, if you read the text you would see that. The only difference is that Jews, for the most part and only in recent times, have had the fortune of living in civilized societies where religious doctrine and oppressive regimes do not govern their lives. Of course Nazi Germany is an exception to this.

Many millions of muslims have not had this opportunity so they are born and raised thinking that sharia law is acceptable. So the blame lays squarely on the practitioners of the religion, specifically those who prevert the Qu'ran for their own agenda, and not the religion itself.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

why are you WTF???

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

as of 2006

Jewish population.
1 Israel 5,313,800
2 United States 5,275,000

who contributes more to america society? muslims or jews? who embraces freedom and democracy?

i normally respectfully disagree with you, but this is fucking ridiculous. where are the stats on american muslims vs. muslims in palestine? the point was, numbers have nothing to do with it. it's all about judgment calls... that muslims hate freedom, blah blah blah. you're smarter than buying into that rhetoric.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah the Zionists (not Jews...big difference) in Israel. If the Palestinians gave up their rights to distinction and bent over for them, they would get shot and bombed a whole lot less.

seldom right and wrong again. zionists do not kill muslims for not being jewish. and maybe you didnt notice, you had to use if. you are completely basing you statement on assumption and opinion. not facts.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

no, im basing my opinion on common knowledge and common sense more then hard statistics.

the strictest of religious code of jews does not result in being stoned to death.

again, as i said, what the fuck has that got to do with us?

"if we started using some common sense and left them the fuck alone, they'd focus on killing each other instead of us. as evidenced by the article in question. they're pissed at the world. they're pissed that they live in a fucking desert. they're pissed that their chicks can't show any skin. they're just pissed. let them take it out on each other instead of americans."

if that's the way they wanna live, who cares? there are better, worse, and equal societies in the world. let them have theirs. it's none of our goddamn business.

810wmb

mammasan wrote:

True but you have to also look at how this people have been indoctinated since they where in the womb. From a young impressionable age they are taught at government funded religious schools that the only law that counts is Qu'ran. That what is written in those pages is how they should live their lives down to the last period. It's brainwashing at it's simplist form. For the rest of their lives they live under a government that shoves this sharia bullshit down their throat, it is all they know.

Judaism is no different than Islam, if you read the text you would see that. The only difference is that Jews, for the most part and only in recent times, have had the fortune of living in civilized societies where religious doctrine and oppressive regimes do not govern their lives. Of course Nazi Germany is an exception to this.

Many millions of muslims have not had this opportunity so they are born and raised thinking that sharia law is acceptable. So the blame lays squarely on the practitioners of the religion, specifically those who prevert the Qu'ran for their own agenda, and not the religion itself.

you make my point on a bunch of different things...

they hate from the womb, nothing we do can change that

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

i normally respectfully disagree with you, but this is fucking ridiculous. where are the stats on american muslims vs. muslims in palestine? the point was, numbers have nothing to do with it. it's all about judgment calls... that muslims hate freedom, blah blah blah. you're smarter than buying into that rhetoric.

there are about 10 million muslims in the US. not sure how many of those are "palestinian" or not.

but doesnt matter. look at the influence american jews have in america compared to muslims. jews are HUGE venture capitalists and some of the most successful people ever to live in this country. steven speilburg comes to mind but you know what I'm getting at.

what muslims have done the same? Louis Farrakhan ?

conservative Islam does hate freedom. thats not neo con rethoric. its fact.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

seldom right and wrong again. zionists do not kill muslims for not being jewish. and maybe you didnt notice, you had to use if. you are completely basing you statement on assumption and opinion. not facts.

Well, you actually have to think about it. I didn't expect you to grasp what I said at first. In reality they kill them for living.

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

again, as i said, what the fuck has that got to do with us?

"if we started using some common sense and left them the fuck alone, they'd focus on killing each other instead of us. as evidenced by the article in question. they're pissed at the world. they're pissed that they live in a fucking desert. they're pissed that their chicks can't show any skin. they're just pissed. let them take it out on each other instead of americans."

if that's the way they wanna live, who cares? there are better, worse, and equal societies in the world. let them have theirs. it's none of our goddamn business.

if we took away all military support from Israel, they would be invaded and destroyed.

we should just throw our hands in the air and say sorry, thats your problem. and turn our backs to all the jews living in this country?

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well, you actually have to think about it. I didn't expect you to grasp what I said at first. In reality they kill them for living.

I'm getting really sick and tired or your condescending personal attacks on me all fucking day. give it a rest.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

I'm getting really sick and tired or your condescending personal attacks on me all fucking day. give it a rest.

You're doing exactly the same thing..... jeez...stop going on about it already.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

there are about 10 million muslims in the US. not sure how many of those are "palestinian" or not.

but doesnt matter. look at the influence american jews have in america compared to muslims. jews are HUGE venture capitalists and some of the most successful people ever to live in this country. steven speilburg comes to mind but you know what I'm getting at.

what muslims have done the same? Louis Farrakhan ?

conservative Islam does hate freedom. thats not neo con rethoric. its fact.

conservative islam has a different definition of freedom. as does a welfare liberal vs. a libertarian.

my point remains. yes there are many rich and influential jews in america. why should a few privileged elites dictate policies for us? esp policy that leads to such nightmarish entanglements as the ones we have in the middle east?

what does the US gain from involvement there? what does the US lose by staying out?

and above all, which you still cannot answer, what the fuck do we care what people in the middle east do to themselves and each other? i don't give a fuck. it's THEIR problem. this original article shows that conservative islamists are as eager to kill each other as us. so why make ourselves a target? let them sort their own shit out.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

if we took away all military support from Israel, they would be invaded and destroyed.

we should just throw our hands in the air and say sorry, thats your problem. and turn our backs to all the jews living in this country?

israel has a stronger military than anyone else in that region. they can handle themselves. yes, it is their problem and we should worry about our own problems, not theirs. if they are invaded and on the verge of genocide, we can let the UN come beg us for intervention. as it is, it is unclear if we are backing a persecuted state or propping up a brutal oppressive regime. let them figure it out themselves. we established our independence. they can establish theirs.

mammasan

810wmb wrote:

you make my point on a bunch of different things...

they hate from the womb, nothing we do can change that

Actually there is a lot we can do to change that.

First we can stop supporting the corrupt oppressive regimes that span across the muslim world.

Second we can stop meddling in their affairs. This only helps to create the image that we want to over take the middle east and are on some sort of crusade against the muslim world. Their corrupt government and religious leaders feed off this shit and just spew it into the minds of the uneducated masses.

Just these two things would help change the image of the US on the muslim street and ehlp bring abaout a change in the middle east.

mammasan

jlew24asu wrote:

there are about 10 million muslims in the US. not sure how many of those are "palestinian" or not.

but doesnt matter. look at the influence american jews have in america compared to muslims. jews are HUGE venture capitalists and some of the most successful people ever to live in this country. steven speilburg comes to mind but you know what I'm getting at.

what muslims have done the same? Louis Farrakhan ?

conservative Islam does hate freedom. thats not neo con rethoric. its fact.

I uaually agree with you on a lot of things and even when I don't you always make a good intelligent point but this is horse shit man. Just because there are richer Jews in this country than Muslims doesn't make their contribution to American society any greater. Also if you truely believe that the only thing that Muslims in this country have to offer is fucking Louis Farrakan then you are truely blinded. If you need a list of influential Muslim Americans to prove my point I would be more that happy to prove one.

jlew24asu

mammasan wrote:

I uaually agree with you on a lot of things and even when I don't you always make a good intelligent point but this is horse shit man. Just because there are richer Jews in this country than Muslims doesn't make their contribution to American society any greater. Also if you truely believe that the only thing that Muslims in this country have to offer is fucking Louis Farrakan then you are truely blinded. If you need a list of influential Muslim Americans to prove my point I would be more that happy to prove one.

im basing my argument purely on the influence jews have in america vs muslims. most of it is only my opinion. a side by side list of successful influence jews and muslims would be great to see.

my point of this argument is that we cant simply turn our back on Israel and pull out all financial support to them simply because "its not our problem"

810wmb

mammasan wrote:

Actually there is a lot we can do to change that.

First we can stop supporting the corrupt oppressive regimes that span across the muslim world.

Second we can stop meddling in their affairs. This only helps to create the image that we want to over take the middle east and are on some sort of crusade against the muslim world. Their corrupt government and religious leaders feed off this shit and just spew it into the minds of the uneducated masses.

Just these two things would help change the image of the US on the muslim street and ehlp bring abaout a change in the middle east.

we'll be great satan until all of us are dead...accept the fact.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

im basing my argument purely on the influence jews have in america vs muslims. most of it is only my opinion. a side by side list of successful influence jews and muslims would be great to see.

my point of this argument is that we cant simply turn our back on Israel and pull out all financial support to them simply because "its not our problem"

and im asking why not? im asking why a bunch of rich and biased elites should dictate disastrous foreign policy to us. what are they gonna do? move to israel? like they'd have it better there?