The Great Derangement: If Cheney & Co. Had Really Plotted the 9/11 Attacks ...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Are you kidding you actually went out to get a random article to back up a philosophical argument?

Show me the headline that says "evolution has been proven".... the argument is over.

and BTW I actually posted that information on this site in the first place....ffs

Did you read the article or are you just shrugging it off because it proves you wrong.

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

No.
Actualy if you check back, you will see that the ONLY post between your rude comment and the original post is MINE.

Nice lie though.

And i can tell you don't give a fuck.
Hey, here is your cookie:
cookie

You stand corrected so I apologize.

Robin Williams is an over-rated comedian by the way. His dramatic performances are much better.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Did you read the article or are you just shrugging it off because it proves you wrong.

upon reading this

I have to honesty...ask how old are you? I'm serious, Do I have to link the thread I started on it here in the first place? It was only like a week ago

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

Did you read the article or are you just shrugging it off because it proves you wrong.

while i generaly support evolution as a concept,
the article you linked is littered with the words "suggests", "suggested" and "apparently" ... not exactly words that connotate a high degree of certainty.

:cool:

we are verging on way way off topic, btw.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

age variance is a factor here... it has to be.

There is no other seemingly reasonable explanation.

edit:

In any event

I'm going to gym for a nice workout and a steam...have fun slaving at the wheel for massa folks

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

Robin Williams is an over-rated comedian by the way.

Really captain herbal life?
bullshit.
i prefer when he mixes it up, and believe that Good Morning Vietnam and Dead Poets Society stand as probably two of his greatest film rolls ever. GMV, in particular, is one of my all time favorite movies.

Williams is one of the pioneers of modern humor, in all its vulgar hillarity. And there is and never will be any one as good at spazing out and making frantic jokes.

Do you not remember Live at the Met, any of the Comic Reliefs or what have you? Holy fuck man.

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

while i generaly support evolution as a concept,
the article you linked is littered with the words "suggests", "suggested" and "apparently" ... not exactly words that connotate a high degree of certainty.

:cool:

we are verging on way way off topic, btw.

True but evolution is supported by mountains of scientific evidence. To compair evolution to 9/11 conspiracy theories is ridiculous. While one has been studied and documented for decades by some of the leading minds in the field , 9/11 theories have not. As I stated the only thing in life that is 100% certain is death. Nothing else in life can be qualified as 100% certain without some amount of reasonable doubt, but evolution is light years closer to absolute certainty then 9/11 theories.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

upon reading this

I have to honesty...ask how old are you? I'm serious, Do I have to link the thread I started on it here in the first place? It was only like a week ago

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mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Really captain herbal life?
bullshit.
i prefer when he mixes it up, and believe that Good Morning Vietnam and Dead Poets Society stand as probably two of his greatest film rolls ever. GMV, in particular, is one of my all time favorite movies.

Williams is one of the pioneers of modern humor, in all its vulgar hillarity. And there is and never will be any one as good at spazing out and making frantic jokes.

Do you not remember Live at the Met, any of the Comic Reliefs or what have you? Holy fuck man.

Again there you go with a condescending tone because someone doesn't agree with you.

Kann

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

At some point a theory, as evidence mounts, becomes as good as definitive proof.

Not if half of the "evidence" could also prove the alternative point of view which is the government didn't take the threat of a terrorist attack seriously or just let it happen.

Dead simple and succinct analogy.
prove evolution beyond ALL reason of a doubt. Show me the smoking gun that ends all discussion on evolution.
Go ahead and show me it...
I'll be waiting.

Why would I do that? A scientific theory is different from a normal theory. A scientific theory is true if it fits all observations and will stay true until an observation contradicts it. Gravity is also a theory, no one could show you a smoking gun about it either because they simply don't exist for these types of theories.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

True but evolution is supported by mountains of scientific evidence. To compair evolution to 9/11 conspiracy theories is ridiculous. While one has been studied and documented for decades by some of the leading minds in the field , 9/11 theories have not. As I stated the only thing in life that is 100% certain is death. Nothing else in life can be qualified as 100% certain without some amount of reasonable doubt, but evolution is light years closer to absolute certainty then 9/11 theories.

Is death certain? A lot of people disagree and would swear up and down there is
an afterlife. A lot of people believe in heaven and base their entire lives around it.

Furthermore to add to this 100% finality you are so positive about.... We are just a collection of vibrating energy patterns. Energy is never destroyed, it never dies, just changes configuration. Nobody can say for certain what is to be after this shift in energy.

I don't limit myself or my thoughts and understanding to what I'm told to believe.

Especially if the person(s) telling me are irrefutably proven pathological liars (Bush Cheney et al)

I suppose by default that makes me a ranting, raving lunatic...

I can live with that....


Look at all the people calling Ron Paul crazy...haha

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Is death certain? A lot of people disagree and would swear up and down there is
an afterlife. A lot of people believe in heaven and base their entire lives around it.

Furthermore to add to this 100% finality you are so positive about.... We are just a collection of vibrating energy patterns. Energy is never destroyed, it never dies, just changes configuration. Nobody can say for certain what is to be after this shift in energy.

I don't limit myself or my thoughts and understanding to what I'm told to believe.

Especially if the person(s) telling me are irrefutably proven pathological liars (Bush Cheney et al)

I suppose by default that makes me a ranting, raving lunatic...

I can live with that....


Look at all the people calling Ron Paul crazy...haha

No it doesn't make you a ranting raving lunatic, but you still are a pompous ass. Our bodies die, what transpires after that is up to each person's individual beliefs. So death of our physical being is a certainty.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Kann wrote:

Not if half of the "evidence" could also prove the alternative point of view which is the government didn't take the threat of a terrorist attack seriously or just let it happen.


Why would I do that? A scientific theory is different from a normal theory. A scientific theory is true if it fits all observations and will stay true until an observation contradicts it. Gravity is also a theory, no one could show you a smoking gun about it either because they simply don't exist for these types of theories.

The scale has tipped past the 50/50 point. If you see the official story as the 51%.well that's your prerogative. Additional time will be required for you to base a more solid conclusion....it should be anyways in this case.

Looking at the findings and automatically concluding either way that someone is a ranting raving etc.. etc.. so and so lunatic is a bit past ridiculous already.

The term "strong plausibility" carries significant weight for me.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

No it doesn't make you a ranting raving lunatic, but you still are a pompous ass. Our bodies die, what transpires after that is up to each person's individual beliefs. So death of our physical being is a certainty.

And that would be your belief... so ?

What does it prove?

zippo?

see?

inside the box thinking..

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The scale has tipped past the 50/50 point. If you see the official story as the 51%.well that's your prerogative. Additional time will be required for you to base a more solid conclusion....it should be anyways in this case.

Looking at the findings and automatically concluding either way that someone is a ranting raving etc.. etc.. so and so lunatic is a bit past ridiculous already.

The term "strong plausibility" carries significant weight for me.

But you are preaching a "strong plausibility" you are stating it as fact that the US government orchestrated the attacks, which is clearly not the case.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

And that would be your belief... so ?

What does it prove?

zippo?

see?

inside the box thinking..

And why is that inside the box thinking?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

And why is that inside the box thinking?

Because you deny all other possibilities based on YOUR beliefs while denouncing others despite irrefutable proof. Conditioning of thought invented by those before you that race you towards an immediate conclusion. They made the box, and you're running around in it yelling 100%! 100%!

inside the box....

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

But you are preaching a "strong plausibility" you are stating it as fact that the US government orchestrated the attacks, which is clearly not the case.

Simply not the case?

Really? So all the questions, concerns, and facts disputing 9/11 have all been addressed and put soundly to sleep?

They have?!?!

Holy fuck? How long was I at the gym for? I could swear it was only a few hours?!

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Because you deny all other possibilities based on YOUR beliefs while denouncing others despite irrefutable proof. Conditioning of thought invented by those before you that race you towards an immediate conclusion. They made the box, and you're running around in it yelling 100%! 100%!

inside the box....

I don't deny any possibility. You think because I don't agree with you on this issue that I'm some fool who believes everything the government spoon feeds me. That is where you are greatly mistaken. My opinions of what occurred on 9/11 have nothing to do with what the Bush administration's story of the events are. I came to my opinion through my own reading and researching into the issue, not because some fucking talking head on the TV told me what to believe in. You would be suprised as to how many issues we probably agree one with maybe the exception of this one.

As to the issue at hand you don't have irrefutable proof. I don't have irrefutable proof. No one but the people in control have that. What we have it tid bits of information that we put together and not everyone is going to come up with the same answer. Could the government have orchestrated 9/11, of course they could have. They definitely have to power and ability to do so. With all that is known laid out before me I came to the conclusion that the government did not plan it but they definitely didn't do anything to stop it. You see the same evidence and see different which is fine. I said a few stupid things at the start of this thread that where uncalled for, which I have apologized for because I honestly respect everyone's opinion. What I do not respect is the belittling of people who do not share the same opinion, yes I know I did that myself and again I apologize. Yes a lot of our back and forth was me, and you, being a-holes. So let's put this to rest. I believe that the government didn't plan it you do, but I'm sure that we can both agree that wether in this life or the next these assholes get what's coming to them. When I say these assholes I'm speaking about the people in our government.

Sludge Factory

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What about all the cashola disappearing on 9/10?

Someone should add up all the abnormal coincidences, I'd be curious to see how big the number was.

Also why no investigation into the put options?

I could've sworn someone posted a link on this board sometime, maybe four months ago that led to an article on this topic. Some journalist managed to talk to a lady who worked for a group that was trying to do a some investigation on this independently but all they eventually found out was that whatever info there was on it was destroyed.

I wish I could remember where it was I read that...if I do I'll be sure to post it.

EDIT: Well, I managed to find what I think was it. Don't know much about that website though...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/illegaltades.html