The Great Derangement: If Cheney & Co. Had Really Plotted the 9/11 Attacks ...

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Go read some of the testimonies by extremely high ranking military officials and CIA agents etc over in my credible people thread.

Go to patriotsquestion911.com and read them yourselves.

How many people in a position to know have to tell you that the basic readiness functions of our military would have caught these airplanes unless someone had deliberately interfered with the process?

How many CIA agents have to say this smells like an inside job, and it is NOT something the terrorists could have pulled off without help from inside?

How many FBI agents have to come forward, even showing letters they wrote to their superiors, stating that they were DELIBERATELY SHUT DOWN AND STOPPED from investigating credible leads before 911?

How many air traffic controllers have to step up and say that flights can be easily tracked without their transponders?

How many aeronautical engineers have to say that there would have been engines at the pentagon if it was a 747?

How many fighter pilots and aviators have to say that the alleged maneuveurs of that flight were impossible on a 747 ?

How many lies do we have to prove the 911 comssion report contains? 1, 2, 10, 20, 100?
If they can't even tell the truth about when dick cheney arrived in the command bunker, what else are they lying about?

How the fuck much common sense does it take to put 2 and 2 together, that if the President and the Vice President won't tesitfy -- unless it is behind closed doors, NOT under oath, with no witnesses, no recordings, and unless they sat together -- then there must be something fucked up and fishy going on?

How hard is it to realize that if the government spent 100 million dollars trying to investigate Cigar-Gate with Monica and Bill, and only 3 million and THEN increased to 10 million after a FULL YEAR of NO investigation on the biggest act of terror in american history, that something is FUCKED UP !?!

When you say there is no credible evidence,
what the fuck credible evidence is there that it WASN'T a conspiracy by the government !?!

You saw 19 towelheads on TV?
Shit, they didn't even have towels.
Fuck, they weren't even devout muslims.
They were seen in bars drinking, with prostitutes, eating pork, and gambling before getting on those planes!

They (the terrorists) were also trained at US MILITARY\INTELLIGENCE CAMPS\BASES. They were funded (admitted!) by the pakistani head of intelligence ... a guy who was meeting with Rumsfeld, Rice, and co on the day BEFORE AND OF 911 ... and the 911 comission report does not mention his name ONCE, except in a small footnote.

???
Do you really not understand that the government has and will continue to lie about all kinds of shit?
They put out a 28 goddmamn volume set of books called The Warren Commision Hearings, and a HUGE book called The Warren Commission Report ... alleging Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. TWENTY EIGHT GODDAMN VOLUMES, and it was ALL LIES!

Well, actualy, there was a LOT of truth in the Hearings volumes, but it ALL got left on the floor for the REPORT.

Point being, the government has commited massively heinous murder before, and burried the truth for over 40 years.
Why wouldn't they do it again?

REMIND ME?
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THEM?

Because YOU think YOU are smarter then them, and they are too dumb to pull it off?
Or then if they aren't too dumb, they are too smart to think about doing it?
Yeah right. Please.

The government, backed by GIANT multinational interests, their owned state-controlled CIA implanted media, and the banks that run them all did this. and you are blind as a bat for denying it.

All that can prove is that a) the US government and it's military leaders really fucked up or b) that they allowed the attacks to proceed in order to take advantage on the situation. None of that proves that the US government planned and executed the attacks.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Evolution hasn't been proven either...

At some point theory becomes more than a guess.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Evolution hasn't been proven either...

At some point theory becomes more than a guess.

Evolution has been proven and there are mountains upon mountain of irrefutable evidence to prove evolution. The same cannot be said about your theory. 9/11 Truthers don't even have a pimples worth of factual evidence. All they have is inconsistancies.

I will continue this debacle tomorrow. I'm off to play some Rock Band.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Evolution has been proven and there are mountains upon mountain of irrefutable evidence to prove evolution. The same cannot be said about your theory. 9/11 Truthers don't even have a pimples worth of factual evidence. All they have is inconsistancies.

I will continue this debacle tomorrow. I'm off to play some Rock Band.

Evolution has been proven 100%?

uhh....now who is talking crazy?

the mole hill of evidence you keep making is in fact a mountain of inconsistencies.

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

I'm off to play some Rock Band.

i rest my case.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lol



actually in my spare time I watch glue dry... It's very educational.

DriftingByTheStorm

by the way, re:

You wrote:

All that can prove is that a) the US government and it's military leaders really fucked up or b) that they allowed the attacks to proceed in order to take advantage on the situation. None of that proves that the US government planned and executed the attacks.

"allowing" the attacks to happen, or in other words, knowing about them, and then keeping law enforcement from catching them, is called ACCESSORY BEFORE THE FACT, and makes you GUILTY OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.

Approximately 3000 charges of murder in the first, to be more to the point.

:cool:

option A is NOT an option.
Dozens, if not hundreds, of former high level officials have stepped forward to say that if the government had merely allowed its own intelligence and defense functions to engage NORMAL PROCEEDURE that this is IMPOSSIBLE. ONLY if these processes were DELIBERATELY impeded could this occur.

Also, don't forget the numerous CIA agents (high level multi decade career agents at that) who have come forward to say that Al Qaeda could NOT do this without help from the inside.
:rolleyes:

Have fun with rock band.

my2hands

HERE IS THE BEST QUESTION OF THEM ALL THAT ABSOLUTELY DISPROVES ANY "INSIDE JOB" THEORY...

IF 9/11 WAS AN "INSIDE" CONSPIRACY... AND "THEY" ARE ABLE TO COMMIT THE GREATEST CRIME IN HISTORY AND ARE ALL POWERFUL REACHING INTO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVENRMENT AND SHADOW CIRCLES... AND ONE OF THE MAJOR GOALS WAS JUSTIFICATION FOR DOMINATION OF MIDDLE EAST OIL VIA THE MILITARY... AND IRAQ WAS TARGET #1 ON THE RADAR... THEN HOW COME THE ALL POWERFUL "THEY" WERE NOT ABLE TO PLANT WMD'S IN IRAQ? HOW COME "THEY" WERE NOT ABLE TO "PLANT" EVIDENCE OF IRAQI INVOLVEMENT IN 9/11? HOW COME THIS ALMIGHTY AND POWERFUL GROUP OF CONSPIRATORS WAS NOT ABLE TO PLANT ANYTHING FOR JUSTIFICATION OF THE INVASION OF IRAQ? THAT WOULD BE A WALK IN THE PARK COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO PULL OFF ON 9/11... THINK ABOUT IT

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

HERE IS THE BEST QUESTION OF THEM ALL THAT ABSOLUTELY DISPROVES ANY "INSIDE JOB" THEORY...

IF 9/11 WAS AN "INSIDE" CONSPIRACY... AND "THEY" ARE ABLE TO COMMIT THE GREATEST CRIME IN HISTORY AND ARE ALL POWERFUL REACHING INTO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVENRMENT AND SHADOW CIRCLES... AND ONE OF THE MAJOR GOALS WAS JUSTIFICATION FOR DOMINATION OF MIDDLE EAST OIL VIA THE MILITARY... AND IRAQ WAS TARGET #1 ON THE RADAR... THEN HOW COME THE ALL POWERFUL "THEY" WERE NOT ABLE TO PLANT WMD'S IN IRAQ? HOW COME "THEY" WERE NOT ABLE TO "PLANT" EVIDENCE OF IRAQI INVOLVEMENT IN 9/11? HOW COME THIS ALMIGHTY AND POWERFUL GROUP OF CONSPIRATORS WAS NOT ABLE TO PLANT ANYTHING FOR JUSTIFICATION OF THE INVASION OF IRAQ? THAT WOULD BE A WALK IN THE PARK COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO PULL OFF ON 9/11... THINK ABOUT IT

Because other countries have SATELLITE PHOTOGRAPHY, you great bastion of wisdom, you.

Maybe you want to try looking in to history a bit.
Oh say, the first gulf war.
Colin Powell said the Iraqi forces were lining up large tank batallions on the border of Kuwait.

The Russians released satellite photographs totally disproving this.
http://www.whodies.com/lies_gulf_war.html

Several years later Powell even admitted this was a lie.

:cool:

Great come back, btw.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

"How hard is it to realize that if the government spent 100 million dollars trying to investigate Cigar-Gate with Monica and Bill, and only 3 million and THEN increased to 10 million after a FULL YEAR of NO investigation on the biggest act of terror in american history,!!?!


Honestly though I want a explanation for this. Stuff like this is of smoking gun caliber reality.

The investigation sucked for a reason, otherwise things like this we would not even be talking about in the first place.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Evolution has been proven 100%?

uhh....now who is talking crazy?

the mole hill of evidence you keep making is in fact a mountain of inconsistencies.

Nothing is 100% certain in life except death, but to say that evolution is some how some unproven theory just shows how detached to reality you truly are. Could 9/11 have been an inside job, possibly. I don't believe it was and that is my opinion. Your problem is that you cannot accept other's opinion if they don't align with yours. I could have easily had a mature discussion with you about like I have had with people like abook, but you are a pompous ass who attempts to belittle anyone who doesn't share your opinion. You have no ability to carry on a mature debate about any topic so why should I continue to try to have an adult conversation with the likes of you. I'm done with this topic and with trying to reason with a child.

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i rest my case.

OH no Drifting is so far superior to me because I play Rock Band. I must be such an ignorant bastard because I would rather spend time playing a video game with my son and not sit on a message board talking about conspiracy theories. Poor me.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Nothing is 100% certain in life except death, but to say that evolution is some how some unproven theory just shows how detached to reality you truly are. Could 9/11 have been an inside job, possibly. I don't believe it was and that is my opinion. Your problem is that you cannot accept other's opinion if they don't align with yours. I could have easily had a mature discussion with you about like I have had with people like abook, but you are a pompous ass who attempts to belittle anyone who doesn't share your opinion. You have no ability to carry on a mature debate about any topic so why should I continue to try to have an adult conversation with the likes of you. I'm done with this topic and with trying to reason with a child.

Ok mr attached to reality. Show me the smoking gun proof of evolution.

Show me.

What specific evidence is it that no one can argue about.

I wanna see it.

The one piece of evidence that finally closes the argument on evolution definitively.

Show it to me.

(your posts keep regressing btw)

Kann

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Ok mr attached to reality. Show me the smoking gun proof of evolution.

Arguing over this is kind of useless. Evolution is a scientific theory, an inside job is just a theory. These are 2 totally different kinds of theories. It's moot to try and compare them.
I think you're going ahead of your own arguments in your conclusions, for instance :

"How hard is it to realize that if the government spent 100 million dollars trying to investigate Cigar-Gate with Monica and Bill, and only 3 million and THEN increased to 10 million after a FULL YEAR of NO investigation on the biggest act of terror in american history,!!?!
Honestly though I want a explanation for this. Stuff like this is of smoking gun caliber reality.

This can mean many things, among which the theory supported by mammasan, that the government was fully aware of the risk of an attack and did nothing to stop it.

Just like the other thread (with the petition to reopen 911), you and drifting are going way ahead of things in your conclusions.
Everyone agrees that :
1- the investigation on this event has been botched
2- not everything is clear concerning this day and a real investigation would be nice
That's all you can infer right now. That a new, "real", investigation is needed. Treating people with contempt because they aren't drawing (very) early conclusions is not an argument, and it definitely doesn't do anything for the nice goal everyone would like to attain : actually know what happened.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Ok mr attached to reality. Show me the smoking gun proof of evolution.

Show me.

What specific evidence is it that no one can argue about.

I wanna see it.

The one piece of evidence that finally closes the argument on evolution definitively.

Show it to me.

(your posts keep regressing btw)

Here is an article that took me all of 2 seconds to find.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html

I repeat myself again I don't give a rat's ass what you think of my posts. You just keep proving my point again and again about what a pompous ass you are.

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

I have had with people like abook, but you are a pompous ass who attempts to belittle anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

With all due respect (and that isn't much),
these type of discussions usually degrade after people like YOU start calling anyone who questions the "official story" something like "nutters", "tin foil hat wearers" or worse.

You aren't likely to gain a lot of respect from me, roland, or anyone else, quite frankly, when you open your arguments to a thread that was started amicably by insulting someone.

You can't expect to start your contributions to a thread with bullshit like:

you wrote:

9/11 Truthers need to log off Prison Planet and go out and get a hobby.

and then expect anyone to give a shit about respecting your feeling or opinion.

The OP in this thread is a straight bash against anyone who happens to see things differently, so of course 911 truth folks will come out swinging in here.

But people like YOU are the ones behaving like true pompous asses.

To be honest, there is plenty of guilt to go round on that acount, but start by looking at your own actions, why don't you, before you go accusing others.

:cool:

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Kann wrote:

Arguing over this is kind of useless. Evolution is a scientific theory, an inside job is just a theory. These are 2 totally different kinds of theories. It's moot to try and compare them.
I think you're going ahead of your own arguments in your conclusions, for instance :

This can mean many things, among which the theory supported by mammasan, that the government was fully aware of the risk of an attack and did nothing to stop it.

Just like the other thread (with the petition to reopen 911), you and drifting are going way ahead of things in your conclusions.
Everyone agrees that :
1- the investigation on this event has been botched
2- not everything is clear concerning this day and a real investigation would be nice
That's all you can infer right now. That a new, "real", investigation is needed. Treating people with contempt because they aren't drawing (very) early conclusions is not an argument, and it definitely doesn't do anything for the nice goal everyone would like to attain : actually know what happened.

I'm just putting the argument back into the face of those in complete and utter denial of so many facts.

They all want smoking gun definitive proof that 9/11 was a conspiracy or people are "fucking ranting childish pompous ass lunatics."

At some point a theory, as evidence mounts, becomes as good as definitive proof.

Dead simple and succinct analogy.

prove evolution beyond ALL reason of a doubt. Show me the smoking gun that ends all discussion on evolution.

Go ahead and show me it...

I'll be waiting.

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

With all due respect (and that isn't much),
these type of discussions usually degrade after people like YOU start calling anyone who questions the "official story" something like "nutters", "tin foil hat wearers" or worse.

You aren't likely to gain a lot of respect from me, roland, or anyone else, quite frankly, when you open your arguments to a thread that was started amicably by insulting someone.

You can't expect to start your contributions to a thread with bullshit like:


and then expect anyone to give a shit about respecting your feeling or opinion.

The OP in this thread is a straight bash against anyone who happens to see things differently, so of course 911 truth folks will come out swinging in here.

But people like YOU are the ones behaving like true pompous asses.

To be honest, there is plenty of guilt to go round on that acount, but start by looking at your own actions, why don't you, before you go accusing others.

:cool:

If you check back you will see that i started in with that after Roland implied that I was a neo-con and that I could process information properly. I even went so far as to apologize for my rash words, but of course that wouldn't matter to someone like Roland because if you don't agree with him you are obviously wrong and deserve his belittlement. Lastly I could give a fuck if you respect me or not. You don't mean a damn thing to me. You are a fucking name on a computer screen.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Here is an article that took me all of 2 seconds to find.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html

I repeat myself again I don't give a rat's ass what you think of my posts. You just keep proving my point again and again about what a pompous ass you are.

Are you kidding you actually went out to get a random article to back up a philosophical argument?

Show me the headline that says "evolution has been proven".... the argument is over.

and BTW I actually posted that information on this site in the first place....ffs

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

If you check back you will see that i started in with that after Roland implied that I was a neo-con and that I could process information properly. Lastly I could give a fuck if you respect me or not. You don't mean a damn thing to me. You are a fucking name on a computer screen.

No.
Actualy if you check back, you will see that the ONLY post between your rude comment and the original post is MINE.

Nice lie though.

And i can tell you don't give a fuck.
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