If the 9/11 Conspiracy theories are ever proven?

spiral out

69charger wrote:

Most likely?!?! Why do you say that? Do you have any idea what it takes to demolish a building using explosives? If you did you would not think the explosives "theory" likely at all.

Ok i'm a big fan of watching buildings be demolished and have watched a few for real when they have taken down tower blocks in london, so yes i know all the work that goes into them setting it up correctly so they don't harm any of the very near by buildings. I also watch programs on this subject when they are on TV and they look exactly the same. Not seen many since 9/11 though.

Thats what i mean by most likely. Forget the how did they rig the building's question or any other questions and look at it for what it looked like.

They had to really manipulate the data to even get it to look closely like any other reason they have come up with.

69charger

spiral out wrote:

Forget the how did they rig the building's question or any other questions and look at it for what it looked like.

Yeah, let's do that. :rolleyes:

Classic CT logic at work here:

Sounds like bomb = must be bomb

as opposed to:

Sounds like bomb = let's find out what it was and not assume anything till we know for sure

READ THIS...

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

69charger

hodge wrote:

any of that sound fishy to anyone with an objective and open-mind?

If by "objective and open-mind" you mean defective to the point of mental retardation then, yes!

and wait, haven't some of the reported hijackers been found alive?

No. That's been disproven.

Waleed and Wail were both mistakenly reported to have been found alive and well, by the BBC later in 2001. They were initially reported in error by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India. On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida - but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.

Muhammad Ali Al-Shihri, the hijacker al-Shehri brothers' true father, was identified prior to September 17, 2001, and told Arab News that he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001. An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on Aug 25 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother, Salah, who agreed that his two brothers were dead and claimed they had been "brainwashed".

Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC.

and wait, weren't some of the hijackers not even on the flight manifest? yet they got on board?

They were. The lists are avaliable as evidence from the Moussawi Trail. Also...
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/planes_reconstruction.htm

"Employees at Advance Travel Service in Totowa, N.J., told The Star-Ledger of Newark that Hanjour and Moqed bought single, first-class tickets for Flight 77 on Aug. 31. Hanjour spoke little English, the employees said, so Moqed did most of talking.

The two tried to pay with a credit card, but it did not get an authorization. They then tried to pay with a check, but were refused. A short time later, they returned with $1,842.25 in cash.

At the men's request, Hanjour was given a seat in the front row of first class."

spiral out

69charger wrote:

Yeah, let's do that. :rolleyes:

Classic CT logic at work here:

Sounds like bomb = must be bomb

as opposed to:

Sounds like bomb = let's find out what it was and not assume anything till we know for sure

READ THIS...

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

If you say so mate.

69charger

spiral out wrote:

If you say so mate.

READ THIS...

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

It's authored by experts in the demolition industry.

spiral out

69charger wrote:

READ THIS...

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

It's authored by experts in the demolition industry.

Yes i read it.

69charger

spiral out wrote:

Yes i read it.

and?

jamtemplechains

69charger wrote:

READ THIS...

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

It's authored by experts in the demolition industry.

nice find.......any takers on a sensical and intelligent rebuttal?

jamtemplechains

69charger wrote:

If by "objective and open-mind" you mean defective to the point of mental retardation then, yes!



No. That's been disproven.

Waleed and Wail were both mistakenly reported to have been found alive and well, by the BBC later in 2001. They were initially reported in error by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India. On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida - but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.

Muhammad Ali Al-Shihri, the hijacker al-Shehri brothers' true father, was identified prior to September 17, 2001, and told Arab News that he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001. An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on Aug 25 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother, Salah, who agreed that his two brothers were dead and claimed they had been "brainwashed".

Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC.



They were. The lists are avaliable as evidence from the Moussawi Trail. Also...
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/planes_reconstruction.htm

"Employees at Advance Travel Service in Totowa, N.J., told The Star-Ledger of Newark that Hanjour and Moqed bought single, first-class tickets for Flight 77 on Aug. 31. Hanjour spoke little English, the employees said, so Moqed did most of talking.

The two tried to pay with a credit card, but it did not get an authorization. They then tried to pay with a check, but were refused. A short time later, they returned with $1,842.25 in cash.

At the men's request, Hanjour was given a seat in the front row of first class."

oh now you're just rubbing it in...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I'm looking to see the official word somewhere as the final holy grail instead of just more circular opinion. Spin go the wheels in the sand....

Till then demolition by proxy is another very apparent reality not to be missed.

Amazing what one can see when they raise their heads up and take a look around.

Or look the other way so to speak...

jamtemplechains

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm looking to see the official word somewhere as the final holy grail instead of just more circular opinion. Spin go the wheels in the sand....

Till then demolition by proxy is another very apparent reality not to be missed.

Amazing what one can see when they raise their heads up and take a look around.

Or look the other way so to speak...

i was simply amused that absolutely EVERYBODY had heard about the 'hijackers found alive' deal that got kicked up awhile ago, and yet somebody's using it on this thread after i'd thought EVERYBODY had ALSO heard they were hoaxes and mistakes that were proven by family and by witness to be false.
it just makes me wonder if a website or source still makes that faulty information available, how much stock can you put in the OTHER information they provide??...you've REALLY got to be determined to stick to a CT if you're still posting items that have been proven to be wrong. i'm not even talking about the respective scientific theories behind the towers' collapse because god knows nobody's going to change anybody's mind on this thread about that shit...but i'm talking more just about this hijacker material. if you're truly a credible site or source of information, how can you expect to be trusted and to retain that reputation of credibility if you don't even modify the information you make available based on things that have been proven. i'll gladly admit that both sides present very decent theories, models, and articles pertaining to the towers collapsing, but if you're still going to flaunt this hijacker story, then that's just getting ridiculous.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jamtemplechains wrote:

i was simply amused that absolutely EVERYBODY had heard about the 'hijackers found alive' deal that got kicked up awhile ago, and yet somebody's using it on this thread after i'd thought EVERYBODY had heard they were hoaxes and mistakes that were proven by family and by witness to be false.
it just makes me wonder if a website or source still makes that faulty information available, how much stock can you put in the other information they provide??...

The whole 9/11 conspiracy drama is moot to me now. The reality is that Iraq has been taken over and forever changed (conquered) because of some guys from Saudi Arabia.

jamtemplechains

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The whole 9/11 conspiracy drama is moot to me now. The reality is that Iraq has been taken over and forever changed (conquered) because of some guys from Saudi Arabia.

this is very true and i couldn't agree more. it is sad that in the midst of all the fervor and debates over who can wrangle up the most online articles and arguments, it seems to be forgotten that it was a nation that suffered the worst hijacking; a culture that has been dessimated and destroyed after living as it had for so, so long. we got our war, now they'll get their walmarts?

JamMastaE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The whole 9/11 conspiracy drama is moot to me now. The reality is that Iraq has been taken over and forever changed (conquered) because of some guys from Saudi Arabia.

first of all 9-11 will never be "moot".

it was the excuse for : Afghanistan "war"

Iraq "war"

Patriot act

Patriot Act II

Military Commissions Act

"Homeland security"

illegal wire tapping

Trillions added to the deficit

etc,etc,etc

moot? is your freedom being lost "moot"

proving 9-11 was an inside job is VERY IMPORTANT to the future of our country/freedom/children

it will never be "moot" ,as a matter of fact it's the FUCKING EXACT OPPOSITE!!!!

it's funny.they tell us we were attacked because "they" hate our freedom.yet your government has done more to take away your freedom than any "terrorist" ever could!!!

spiral out

69charger wrote:

and?

And nothing, i can pull another demolition expert thoughts on it with the oposite view point, but whats the point i don't agree with you and i'm always going to have my suspicions about what really happened, just as you are always going to believe anyone who is a "goverment approved expert"

At the end of the day anyone can word what happened anyway they like. And some poeple will believe and others won't.

Now if i hadn't read any history or learnt about goverments and the way they work, i would have swallowed any bullshit they put out there but as i have read up about it, i can't just pretend things are exactly how they like to tell it.

But whatever, there are more important things happening now, that people can't deny.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JamMastaE wrote:

first of all 9-11 will never be "moot".

it was the excuse for : Afghanistan "war"

Iraq "war"

Patriot act

Patriot Act II

Military Commissions Act

"Homeland security"

illegal wire tapping

Trillions added to the deficit

etc,etc,etc

moot? is your freedom being lost "moot"

proving 9-11 was an inside job is VERY IMPORTANT to the future of our country/freedom/children

it will never be "moot" ,as a matter of fact it's the FUCKING EXACT OPPOSITE!!!!

it's funny.they tell us we were attacked because "they" hate our freedom.yet your government has done more to take away your freedom than any "terrorist" ever could!!!

Just the "is it a conspiracy about how the towers fell" part. That part is trivial in comparison to the numerous far encompassing realities you outlined.

Make no mistake, Bush and clan are seriously insane.

godpt3

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Make no mistake, Bush and clan are seriously insane.

pot... meet kettle

RolandTD20Kdrummer

godpt3 wrote:

pot... meet kettle

I ain't killing anyone or invading countries in the name of blatant greed numbnuts

sigh...some people...

I now return you to your fresh plate of hay...
http://www.foxnews.com/

onelongsong

g under p wrote:

You must be living in a chicken coop, i don't believe this person will take to read anything that may cause doubt but let it be blasted over our media and he'll quickly believe it.

This is the same person who talked about me attracting attention to myself because I have stickers on the back of my truck. After I told him/her what was actually OLS quietly ran away. Do you remember? Do some reading.


Peace

so leaving for the hospital is now quietly sneeking away? interesting. the stickers were my theory. nobody else suggested any other theory. yesterday i flew by a cop at 90 mph only to have him stop the car behind me. when i passed that car i noticed that the occupants looked like stoners. so what attracted the cop to stop them when i was clearly going faster? i also had a broken tail light and didn't have mudflaps on my truck. for some reason; they attracted his attention more than i did.

all these stories you speak of have been refuted by evidence. evidence you choose not to see. if you want to waste your life with this; go right ahead. i choose to live and enjoy my life. you can search for the magic explosives that don't need det wire or blasting caps and don't leave any traces like normal explosives. it's your time.

now let's say someone proves one of these conspiracy theories. what is gained? how is your life made better?

jamtemplechains

[quote="onelongsong
now let's say someone proves one of these conspiracy theories. what is gained? how is your life made better?[/quote"]
don't worry, not gonna happen