If the 9/11 Conspiracy theories are ever proven?

JamMastaE

69charger wrote:

You did? Oh, Ok.

Anyways, you're still the one who thinks the government is spraying them with secret jets.

Good luck with that!

Say "Hi" to Grandma for me.

you wear those blinders well.


grandma says fuck off

jamtemplechains

JamMastaE wrote:

when this country falls to total shit just remember your dumb ass helped it get there.fucking sheep,the Shepherd's calling.

first of all, this country's already falling apart; second, that has nothing to do with people who are intelligent enough to resist shitty conspiracy documentaries and websites run by people who have no expertise of their own, but rather scour the internet for "facts" posted by OTHER idiots who don't know what the fuck their talking about. god i hope you and all your kind aren't registered to vote. god knows what fuck-chode dipshit.com documentary maker you people would rally behind.
also, i'd kinda like to point out that following logic and scientific engineering-related semantics regarding september 11 doesn't make you a sheep. but falling prey to the idiocy of every link you receive from every crackpot on every conspiracy forum you stumble accross? yeah, that does kinda make you a sheep.
suck hard on that conspiracy cock, and don't worry...the load'll keep on coming.

spiral out

jamtemplechains wrote:

first of all, this country's already falling apart; second, that has nothing to do with people who are intelligent enough to resist shitty conspiracy documentaries and websites run by people who have no expertise of their own, but rather scour the internet for "facts" posted by OTHER idiots who don't know what the fuck their talking about. god i hope you and all your kind aren't registered to vote. god knows what fuck-chode dipshit.com documentary maker you people would rally behind.
also, i'd kinda like to point out that following logic and scientific engineering-related semantics regarding september 11 doesn't make you a sheep. but falling prey to the idiocy of every link you receive from every crackpot on every conspiracy forum you stumble accross? yeah, that does kinda make you a sheep.
suck hard on that conspiracy cock, and don't worry...the load'll keep on coming.

Wow so you think your better than everyone else because as you put it "you suck the cock of the goverment". Do you relise they are capable of not telling the truth too?

Boy aren't you very clever.

And if you still think popular mechnics debunked everything maybe do a little search to see that there full of shit too.

g under p

Many have said the fires were so intense that it weakened the steel frames of the WTC. Well it's strange that this woman or women in the images below can be seen standing in one of the impact sites? She looks scared and if she didn't melt or burn and could still touch steel then how is it that intense fires brought down the WTC Building?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/503/vts0130011592ec2rv9.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/731/wtcimpactzone15a5689so6.jpg

Peace

jamtemplechains

spiral out wrote:

Wow so you think your better than everyone else because as you put it "you suck the cock of the goverment". Do you relise they are capable of not telling the truth too?

Boy aren't you very clever.

And if you still think popular mechnics debunked everything maybe do a little search to see that there full of shit too.[/quote

believe it or not, not everyone who rejects every single conspiracy theory is a government-loving dumbass. i've been counting down the days to the next presidental election ever since this asshole got elected; this doesn't mean, however, that i'm going to cling on to any and every bandwagon that lays blame to the current administration for something. is george w. bush an idiot, compassionless asshole, and criminal? yep. do i "realise they are capable of not telling the truth?" of course i do, it's what they do best. but that doesn't mean they're directly responsible for EVERY tragedy, travesty, and disaster that takes place. i wholly believe bush and company had information that could have conceivably prevented 9/11 from happening, but did they personally send jets flying into one of the U.S's most economically significant locations in addition to one of it's most important defense headquarters? that's just a stupid question that stupid people have come up with REALLY stupid answers to.
and no, i don't think i'm better than anyone. i'm just not an entirely impressionable cumrag.
i'm also still waiting for someone to intelligently explain how after 6 years, there hasn't been an information leak from ANYONE regarding such a massive conspiracy from the CIA, FBI, airline traffic agencies, NSA, and military contractors. you really think that out of all those thousands of people, nobody would talk? that's just sad.

jamtemplechains

by the way, you might not want to put something in quotations if you change the actual wording and context of someone else's statement....saying that some people are "sucking conspiracy theory cock" is not the same as saying i "suck government cock"....so maybe keep in mind that quotation marks serve a purpose that's apparently a bit deep for someone who appears to have the capacity of a 4 year old.
just a suggestion.

69charger

g under p wrote:

Many have said the fires were so intense that it weakened the steel frames of the WTC. Well it's strange that this woman or women in the images below can be seen standing in one of the impact sites? She looks scared and if she didn't melt or burn and could still touch steel then how is it that intense fires brought down the WTC Building?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/503/vts0130011592ec2rv9.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/731/wtcimpactzone15a5689so6.jpg

Peace

For the same reason that the Space Shuttle doesn't burn up when it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere: Air is a poor conductor of heat. There are approx 30,000 silica tiles that are 98% air by volume that shield the Shuttle from the 3,000F temperature generated as it slams into the Earth's atmosphere at 17,000mph.

You can stand 10 yards away from a 1,200F bonfire and feel cozy due to air's poor ability to conduct heat.

http://www.dc911truth.org/images/woman_wtc.jpg

The woman is standing where there is clearly no immediate fire. The fire is being fed ambient air from the bottom of the gash and you can see the flames and smoke exiting from five floors above where she is standing. Aside from that, who knows? Maybe she is very uncomfortable and feeling a great deal of heat?

spiral out

jamtemplechains wrote:

spiral out wrote:

Wow so you think your better than everyone else because as you put it "you suck the cock of the goverment". Do you relise they are capable of not telling the truth too?

Boy aren't you very clever.

And if you still think popular mechnics debunked everything maybe do a little search to see that there full of shit too.[/quote

believe it or not, not everyone who rejects every single conspiracy theory is a government-loving dumbass. i've been counting down the days to the next presidental election ever since this asshole got elected; this doesn't mean, however, that i'm going to cling on to any and every bandwagon that lays blame to the current administration for something. is george w. bush an idiot, compassionless asshole, and criminal? yep. do i "realise they are capable of not telling the truth?" of course i do, it's what they do best. but that doesn't mean they're directly responsible for EVERY tragedy, travesty, and disaster that takes place. i wholly believe bush and company had information that could have conceivably prevented 9/11 from happening, but did they personally send jets flying into one of the U.S's most economically significant locations in addition to one of it's most important defense headquarters? that's just a stupid question that stupid people have come up with REALLY stupid answers to.
and no, i don't think i'm better than anyone. i'm just not an entirely impressionable cumrag.
i'm also still waiting for someone to intelligently explain how after 6 years, there hasn't been an information leak from ANYONE regarding such a massive conspiracy from the CIA, FBI, airline traffic agencies, NSA, and military contractors. you really think that out of all those thousands of people, nobody would talk? that's just sad.

Ok then so you think the goverment was complicit in it, so do i. But why hasn't anyone come forward to admit that.

Why would it take thousands of people to be involved to pull this one off?

What about if the CIA funded the cave people who allegedly masterminded the whole thing. That could well have happened.

After all it's what the CIA are known for.

The think that makes me laugh about people on these boards and i'm not saying you specifically is that they can believe that people from a cave can pull this off, but that there own goverment is to stupid to pull it off. Can no one see the stupidity in that thought.

g under p

69charger wrote:

For the same reason that the Space Shuttle doesn't burn up when it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere: Air is a poor conductor of heat. There are approx 30,000 silica tiles that are 98% air by volume that shield the Shuttle from the 3,000F temperature generated as it slams into the Earth's atmosphere at 17,000mph.

You can stand 10 yards away from a 1,200F bonfire and feel cozy due to air's poor ability to conduct heat.

http://www.dc911truth.org/images/woman_wtc.jpg

The woman is standing where there is clearly no immediate fire. The fire is being fed ambient air from the bottom of the gash and you can see the flames and smoke exiting from five floors above where she is standing. Aside from that, who knows? Maybe she is very uncomfortable and feeling a great deal of heat?

If all that you've said is true was it still hot enough to bring down the WTC building like some have said?

Peace

69charger

g under p wrote:

If all that you've said is true was it still hot enough to bring down the WTC building like some have said?

Peace

Absolutely! The core structure was damaged by the impact and further weakened by the fires inside the building.

Now, there will be 100 posts as to how the fire couldn't possibly have gotten hot enough to 'melt' steel. It didn't have to melt it, just weaken it enough to allow failure.

onelongsong

spiral out wrote:

jamtemplechains wrote:

Ok then so you think the goverment was complicit in it, so do i. But why hasn't anyone come forward to admit that.

Why would it take thousands of people to be involved to pull this one off?

What about if the CIA funded the cave people who allegedly masterminded the whole thing. That could well have happened.

After all it's what the CIA are known for.

The think that makes me laugh about people on these boards and i'm not saying you specifically is that they can believe that people from a cave can pull this off, but that there own goverment is to stupid to pull it off. Can no one see the stupidity in that thought.

buildings are designed to collapse in their footprint. i don't know of any building that was designed to fall over and kill thousands of people if it should fail.

as to conspiracy theories; show some evidence. the media will spread the word worldwide if anyone produces ANY evidence. you ask why it would take thousands of people. in order to implode a building that size; you'd need semis full of explosives. miles of det wire; someone to come in and cut supporting beams; someone to fake the phone calls from flight 93; over 100 air traffic controllers on the east coast would need to be part of that conspiracy to collaberate the story; the media would have to be involved in the conspiracy to report what needed to be said to cover the conspiracy; and experts would have to collaberate that story. that should cover a couple thousand people and i didn't even start with how did a city of millions NOT see any of this happening.

onelongsong

g under p wrote:

If all that you've said is true was it still hot enough to bring down the WTC building like some have said?

Peace

ever blow on a fire to make it burn hotter? a blacksmith uses a bellows to make a fire hotter. he weakens the steel so he can bend it or form it. what about chimney effect? open the door of a wood stove and the chinmey draws the air through the fire making it burn hotter. you can control the burn in a wood stove by limiting the amount of air entering the firebox.
now; let's say a steel company wants to melt steel. they use natural gas. if natural gas burns hot enough to melt steel; why doesn't your furnace or oven melt? it's all in the amount of air available to the fire.

hodge

someone mentioned something about the complexity of all of this and how it would take thousands to pull it off, well here are some snippets from a recently published article, Conspiracy Theories, Myths, Skepticism, and 9/11: their Impact on Democracy

what about the complexity of ensuring that the FBI field staff warnings of Saudis learning to fly big jets, but not learning how to land, did not reach superiors? How about the complexity of ensuring that war games would be held on the right day by the Air Force and that they would include the simulated hijacking of aircraft, and flying them into buildings? How did they manage to get false blips inserted into the radar screens of civilian air traffic controllers, which seriously confused them when the real hijackings occurred?

How was the National Transport Safety Board persuaded to give up its legislated role as investigator of aircraft crashes and whyare there continuing concerns about the information they supply? Where is the wreckage of the planes? How were the police persuaded to give up their role as guardians of forensic evidence and instead facilitate the quick removal of the steel? Why was the steel sold overseas at less than local prices? Where are the samples of steel and debris? Where are the many tapes showing what hit the Pentagon? Where are the thousands of photographs and videos of the burning and falling towers, handed to the authorities by well-meaning members of the public and now kept hidden? Why should this information not be readily available to researchers and the general public? Does not this rapid removal of evidence and wide blanket of secrecy, reaching to all corners of the investigation, constitute prima facie evidence of a cover-up?

How was it arranged that the investigations into insider trading on the stock exchange over 9/11 would be aborted?

Conversely it may not have been too complex to have explosives inserted in the buildings as Marvin Bush, brother of George W Bush, had been on the board of directors during 2000, of the company that was providing security, and his cousin Wirt Walker III was CEO on 11th Sept. 13 This company, Securacom, also provided security at Dulles International Airport from which American Airlines Flight 77 departed.

Those are just some bits on the complexity. The article goes on to talk about Occam’s Razor, common sense, who benefits, consistency, and the scientific method, as well as deficiencies.

A substantial body of evidence has been presented that the official reports of the events of 9/11, which together create the “official explanation”, are flawed. They defy common sense and are ridiculed by Occam’s Razor. They are suspect on the grounds of who benefits. They contain serious inconsistencies and deficiencies. Finally they are proved wrong in critical ways by the scientific method.

I would encourage most of you to read through it. Sources are listed in the end notes on the final page

mookie9999

g under p wrote:

Many have said the fires were so intense that it weakened the steel frames of the WTC. Well it's strange that this woman or women in the images below can be seen standing in one of the impact sites? She looks scared and if she didn't melt or burn and could still touch steel then how is it that intense fires brought down the WTC Building?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/503/vts0130011592ec2rv9.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/731/wtcimpactzone15a5689so6.jpg

Peace

It must have not been too hot where they were. No telling. Now let me ask you a question. Since the flames apparently weren't very hot. why would so many people leap to their deaths before either tower had collapsed? Personally, I would have been waiting for a helicopter rescue, unless it was far too hot to survive and I felt like I was trapped and being burned alive. So why the jumpers?

EDIT: I was going to link to pictures but felt it unnecessary. Also, prior to today I had never googled WTC jumpers. Pictures exist of people who had jumped. It's absolutely frightening and horrific. Something I never want to see again!

onelongsong

spiral out wrote:

Wow so you think your better than everyone else because as you put it "you suck the cock of the goverment". Do you relise they are capable of not telling the truth too?

Boy aren't you very clever.

And if you still think popular mechnics debunked everything maybe do a little search to see that there full of shit too.

of course they are. only you have the expertise to know what really happened. when will CNN be reporting your findings?

onelongsong

mookie9999 wrote:

It must have not been too hot where they were. No telling. Now let me ask you a question. Since the flames apparently weren't very hot. why would so many people leap to their deaths before either tower had collapsed? Personally, I would have been waiting for a helicopter rescue, unless it was far too hot to survive and I felt like I was trapped and being burned alive. So why the jumpers?

EDIT: I was going to link to pictures but felt it unnecessary. Also, prior to today I had never googled WTC jumpers. Pictures exist of people who had jumped. It's absolutely frightening and horrific. Something I never want to see again!

that's a great point mookie. what would it take for that many people to jump to their deaths?
it's been 6 years and nobody has shown any new evidence that hasn't been altered. if any credible evidence had been discovered; it would be reported by every media all over the world. i'll stick with the psycologists that say theorists suffer from PTSD and will never believe any explaination.

hodge

obviously there were fires; that still does not explain how the buildings were brought down

here is another article:

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?
By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist

ABSTRACT
In this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by impact damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned cutter-charges. I consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus impact damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the controlled-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, and can be tested scientifically, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

hodge

more reading:

Direct Evidence for Explosions: Flying Projectiles and Widespread Impact Damage
by Dr. Crockett Grabbe
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/GrabbeExplosionsEvidence.pdf

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High Velocity Bursts of Debris From Point-Like Sources in the WTC Towers

some snippets:

There is a great deal of compelling evidence for the demolition hypothesis, including the following physical facts about the destruction of each building.
• Sudden onset of failure
• Near free-fall speed of “collapse”
• Symmetrical “collapse”
• Many eyewitness testimonies to explosions and flashes of light
• Small rubble piles (WTC 7 fell into its own footprint)
• Molten metal in the rubble piles and pouring from WTC 2
• Dust clouds resembling pyroclastic flows from volcanoes
• Sulfidation and intergranular melting of the steel

In summary, it is clear that the high velocity bursts of debris known to exist during the disintegration of the WTC towers cannot be explained by NIST’s latest “compressed air” explanation for the following reasons:

[goes on to list the reasons]

The demolition hypothesis, in contrast, seems to explain these high velocity bursts of debris perfectly. Research has shown that, for an experimental structure made of concrete and steel, debris launch velocities created by explosive charges are on the order of 50 m/s , or 164 fps.[9] This corresponds well with the earlier estimate made from video evidence of the disintegrating towers (170 fps on average). With the demolition hypothesis there is no need for vague and untested “compressed air” scenarios, or a re-evaluation of the laws of gravity. If demolition charges had been setoff, to remove the resistant mass of the building below, then the inexplicable features of the destruction of these buildings would be made clear. In fact, nearly all of the physical evidence listed above, none of which has ever been addressed by the government’s fireinduced collapse hypothesis, could be explained very well by the simple controlled demolition hypothesis.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/Ryan_HVBD.pdf

spiral out

onelongsong wrote:

of course they are. only you have the expertise to know what really happened. when will CNN be reporting your findings?

What are you talking about?

onelongsong

hodge wrote:

obviously there were fires; that still does not explain how the buildings were brought down

here is another article:

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?
By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist


http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

when he has some credible evidence it'll be all over the news. until then he's just another nutter spouting off.