Until you present somthing from a peer reviewed journal (ie something that is NOT Bullshit) I will assume you are full of shit, because you are. If you want to play the anecdotal evidence game I have talked to a couple of doctors about a vegan diet and all they have told me is that I need to make sure I'm taking the required amount of B Vitamins. I have read many articles that cite sources and are from peer reviewed journals that state that many Americans are in excess of protien, and there are several studies that have concluded that an excess of protien can lead to osteoperosis. I have also read studies that have concluded that over 70% of vegetarians either meet or exceed protien requirements. I know you probably haven't been to college, but in the future you should consider backing up outrageous opinions with some kind of article or study from a peer reviewed journal. By the way, here is an article about a woman from China that is 120 years old and has been vegetarian here entire life and has probably not been "eating beans 24 hours a day". And by the way I could make a website saying that George Bush fucked my mom and took a shit on a chocolate cake but it wouldn't be true....or would it?
i've been veggie for about 9 years now, and recently considered going back to meat, i've come up with every excuse in the book, i'm tired (which was solved by taking iron, b12, oh, and sleeping), i'm an athlete i need the protein, i'll buy free-range organic (which i recently found out doesn't mean much, and that free-range and free-run are different). then i clicked on a link, intersted to know why someone had posted a link somewhere about kfc:
this just reinforced my vegetarianism, i couldn't watch parts of it. just thought i'd post the link here because i can't even think straight right now, but i hate preaching, and don't want to send it to my friends (all of whom eat animals), so i thought i'd put it here and hear what you all had to say about it.
Oh my god i love meat ,especially red meat, i love the smell of it and the look of it even raw. i love eating fillet steak rare with all the blood in the middle. im a complete carnivore
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Until you present somthing from a peer reviewed journal (ie something that is NOT Bullshit) I will assume you are full of shit, because you are. If you want to play the anecdotal evidence game I have talked to a couple of doctors about a vegan diet and all they have told me is that I need to make sure I'm taking the required amount of B Vitamins. I have read many articles that cite sources and are from peer reviewed journals that state that many Americans are in excess of protien, and there are several studies that have concluded that an excess of protien can lead to osteoperosis. I have also read studies that have concluded that over 70% of vegetarians either meet or exceed protien requirements. I know you probably haven't been to college, but in the future you should consider backing up outrageous opinions with some kind of article or study from a peer reviewed journal. By the way, here is an article about a woman from China that is 120 years old and has been vegetarian here entire life and has probably not been "eating beans 24 hours a day". And by the way I could make a website saying that George Bush fucked my mom and took a shit on a chocolate cake but it wouldn't be true....or would it?
my credencials are unquestional in the medical research field. my cure for sids is now under addition research in the field. so the opinion of a piss ant means nothing to me.
my information comes from working with patients with PKU. i don't have the time to find links but that should help you. the nutritionalists at riverside hospital in indianapolis and st josephs childrens hospital in phoenix all say you cannot survive on a veggie diet unless you can eat beans 24 hours a day to get the necessary protien the body needs. thus the suppliment. the starvation of protien from the organs brings the largest amount of damage. the way it was explained to me is that the internal organs will consume themselves to provide the necessary nutrition to the brain. i don't know what you consider healthy or if you can see the damage yourself; but i'm repeating what i've been told by doctors and not some bullshit websites trying to sell something. i can make a website myself in 2 hours so take that for what it's worth.
The starvation of protein will cause your muscles (and sometimes organs) to break themselves down for fuel, that's true. Protein can't be stored in the body for much longer than 3 hours. After 3-4 hours, your body will start to break down muscle unless you ingest more protein. That's why body builders eat 6-7 times a day.
As far as I've read, there's no risks involved with being a vegan or vegetarian as long as you know the difference between animal protein and other forms. Typically, animal protein contains all the essential amino acids the body needs, whereas vegetables don't. So in this regard, meat is the best choice. That doesn't make it the only choice though. I believe there are combinations of non-animal protein that can provide all the essential amino acids that the body needs.
haha, fuck yeah. it's even at the Wachovia Center, which is awesome.
I have no interest in seeing such an event, it'd ruin me on wings which would suck because I *love* chicken wings. I haven't eaten a hot dog since seeing "highlights" (loosely-used term) of that hotdog eating championship that was on tv a few months ago. Ugh.
haha, fuck yeah. it's even at the Wachovia Center, which is awesome.
I have no interest in seeing such an event, it'd ruin me on wings which would suck because I *love* chicken wings. I haven't eaten a hot dog since seeing "highlights" (loosely-used term) of that hotdog eating championship that was on tv a few months ago. Ugh.
Dude, there's nothing like tailgating at 1 am for an event that starts at 6 am lol.
i posted this link earlier but you may have missed it. http://www.eatwild.com the information there will be most helpful. i only eat buffalo raised naturally. i'll enjoy the occational elk but mostly buffalo. my health has improved greatly and i feel much better.
on the other hand; it's proven that a human cannot sustain life on a veggie diet. there's a suppliment you can buy for approximately $700 USD/month which will allow a veggie diet but why bother. check out that link for some good info. the name is misleading. it has more to do with beef; chicken and turkey than anything else. pm me if you'd like more info.
That elk meat sounds like some good eating...........yummmmmmmmmm
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my credencials are unquestional in the medical research field. my cure for sids is now under addition research in the field. so the opinion of a piss ant means nothing to me.
A. "Unquestional" is not a word, what school did you go to?
B. What is addition research?
C. One of the doctors I talked to happened to be the head of cardiology at OHSU, so he probably knows alot more about nutrition than you do
D. I may be a piss ant, but I totally owned you in this argument! Congradulations, you not only proved you're full of shit, but that you also have the emotional intilligence of a three year old.
What was your "cure for sids"? Waking the child up?
my information comes from working with patients with PKU. i don't have the time to find links but that should help you. the nutritionalists at riverside hospital in indianapolis and st josephs childrens hospital in phoenix all say you cannot survive on a veggie diet unless you can eat beans 24 hours a day to get the necessary protien the body needs. thus the suppliment. the starvation of protien from the organs brings the largest amount of damage. the way it was explained to me is that the internal organs will consume themselves to provide the necessary nutrition to the brain. i don't know what you consider healthy or if you can see the damage yourself; but i'm repeating what i've been told by doctors and not some bullshit websites trying to sell something. i can make a website myself in 2 hours so take that for what it's worth.
i just had my protein, iron, and a bunch of other enzymes and nutrients looked at in some blood work, i was above the average for my age group, i've done this without meat, without eating beans 24 hours a day, just having a normal, varied, healthy diet
No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it.
Albert Einstein
I am aware that animal cruelty exists everywhere, I think chickens are the ones who have it worst (at least here) so I do try to make sure that the meat I'm buying is from animals that have had a decent treatment.
i just had my protein, iron, and a bunch of other enzymes and nutrients looked at in some blood work, i was above the average for my age group, i've done this without meat, without eating beans 24 hours a day, just having a normal, varied, healthy diet
as long as the protien isn't coming from the metabolization of muscle or internal organs you're doing great.
best of luck
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yeah, it sounds like her health is unquestional. She should probably do some more addition research though.....
Why don't you give him a break and leave him alone? So what if someone makes a few typing mistakes. Onelongsong is a good guy, unlike YOU.
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A. "Unquestional" is not a word, what school did you go to?
B. What is addition research?
C. One of the doctors I talked to happened to be the head of cardiology at OHSU, so he probably knows alot more about nutrition than you do
D. I may be a piss ant, but I totally owned you in this argument! Congradulations, you not only proved you're full of shit, but that you also have the emotional intilligence of a three year old.
What was your "cure for sids"? Waking the child up?
it's also "congratulations." i figure, you should be perfect yourself if you're going to question the things that other people say. have a nice day.
and, again, i eat meat...and i work-out...and i take vitamin supplements...i snort coke...drink 6 beers a day...and fuck men...anyone have a problem with any of this?
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I am aware that animal cruelty exists everywhere, I think chickens are the ones who have it worst (at least here) so I do try to make sure that the meat I'm buying is from animals that have had a decent treatment.
I mentioned in an earlier post about a slaughterhouse near my house and the sickening stuff you see if you walk down the alley.
Well, just last night I was going by this place again on the way to the gym (yes, a vegan at the gym...what a shocker, I'm ready for the ridiculous protein questions now). They again had their backdoors open after a day of murdering chickens, so I walked down the alley to take some pictures of the aftermath for those who continue to think that animal welfare groups are making up the horror stories. I came across the usual alley filled with blood, feathers and entrails flowing out of the slaughterhouse and rats running in and out. But this time I noticed these 6 big barrels on a pallet. As I got closer I noticed they were full of dead chickens. 6 giant barrels full of these dead chickens which had not had their necks slit or put through the scalding water. They of course died while in transport in those tiny cages or while being loaded. Many probably were sick and not worthy of being killed for human consumption and were just tossed in there to die (you hear about this all the time). I walked around the barrels and I almost started crying as I saw a baby chicken standing in the alley right beside the 6 barrels of dead chickens. She was very small and didn't look like a full grown chicken like the other dead ones (who are actually only 6 weeks old...frankenchickens). She was sitting there, beside all the dead ones, not moving at all except for shivering. Mean while around me the workers were spraying the alley or moving trucks. It was obvious this little guy was thrown in the trash to die as well, but managed to jump down or fall into the alley. It was truly one of the saddest things I've ever seen. She is now living in a big box in my bathroom while I wait to get her to a farm sanctuary to take care of her. She finally stopped shaking after about 6 hours in a blanket then sleeping the night away. This morning she's finally eating and drinking water, giving these cute little peeps everytime you put your hand in the box. To think the terror and abuse it went through, and the fear it must have had standing in that freezing alley surrounded by death and blood.
A garbage man in a truck saw me holding the chick and came out to talk to me. He doesn;t work for the slaughterhouse but takes the blood and feathers, etc to a rendering plant. He was telling me how he has seen chickens and chicks running around that alley before, or left to die in the garbage bins. Sadly her prospects of living past 6-9 months are very low. The "broiler" chickens are bred to put on alot of weight fast, and they have all sorts of health problems, usually with their legs. It is extremely common for their hearts to just explode inside them. Normal chickens not bred to be eaten can live up to 15 years.
Not a single person on here wouldn't have a broken heart or a tear in there eye if they saw this tiny little bird. These chickens go through the most agonizing torture and horrible death you could imagine.
If you want to see the photos just let me know. I don't have a link yet but would be more than happy to email them to you. Just send me a private message.
This little guy is exactly the reason that eating meat is immoral and wrong. The chickens can be treated great (which they never are) up until slaughter. But there is no humane slaughter. It is ugly, and bloody, and full of pain and 100% completely unneccesary.
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As far as I've read, there's no risks involved with being a vegan or vegetarian as long as you know the difference between animal protein and other forms. Typically, animal protein contains all the essential amino acids the body needs, whereas vegetables don't. So in this regard, meat is the best choice. That doesn't make it the only choice though. I believe there are combinations of non-animal protein that can provide all the essential amino acids that the body needs.
and you need the cancer fighting fat conjugated linoleic acid; and selenium; and other minerals. the problem with suppliments is absorption. some suppliments cannot be properly absorbed; some inhibit the absorption of other vitamins. with many suppliments; the unabsorbed matter accumulates in the liver or kidneys.
there's a reason people have been eating meat for thousands of years.
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my credencials are unquestional in the medical research field. my cure for sids is now under addition research in the field. so the opinion of a piss ant means nothing to me.
I don't tell anyone they should, and please don't tell me I shouldn't.
end of story.
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- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Besides, if you don't eat it, what the hell would you do with the meat after you yell at your ole lady to fry you up some meat?
The starvation of protein will cause your muscles (and sometimes organs) to break themselves down for fuel, that's true. Protein can't be stored in the body for much longer than 3 hours. After 3-4 hours, your body will start to break down muscle unless you ingest more protein. That's why body builders eat 6-7 times a day.
As far as I've read, there's no risks involved with being a vegan or vegetarian as long as you know the difference between animal protein and other forms. Typically, animal protein contains all the essential amino acids the body needs, whereas vegetables don't. So in this regard, meat is the best choice. That doesn't make it the only choice though. I believe there are combinations of non-animal protein that can provide all the essential amino acids that the body needs.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Somehow, I doubt that...
Very true.
Besides one of my favorite events to attend each year is Wing Bowl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Bowl
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- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
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- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
haha, fuck yeah. it's even at the Wachovia Center, which is awesome.
I have no interest in seeing such an event, it'd ruin me on wings which would suck because I *love* chicken wings. I haven't eaten a hot dog since seeing "highlights" (loosely-used term) of that hotdog eating championship that was on tv a few months ago. Ugh.
Dude, there's nothing like tailgating at 1 am for an event that starts at 6 am lol.
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- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Well why didn't you just say that? That changes everything
The best thing is the roar that goes through the arena at 7 am when the Wachovia Center is legally allowed to sell beer.
You haven't lived until you have seen a sporting arena with lines 20 deep to buy beer at 7 am.
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- 9/2/00
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- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
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- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
A. "Unquestional" is not a word, what school did you go to?
B. What is addition research?
C. One of the doctors I talked to happened to be the head of cardiology at OHSU, so he probably knows alot more about nutrition than you do
D. I may be a piss ant, but I totally owned you in this argument! Congradulations, you not only proved you're full of shit, but that you also have the emotional intilligence of a three year old.
What was your "cure for sids"? Waking the child up?
i just had my protein, iron, and a bunch of other enzymes and nutrients looked at in some blood work, i was above the average for my age group, i've done this without meat, without eating beans 24 hours a day, just having a normal, varied, healthy diet
Albert Einstein
I am aware that animal cruelty exists everywhere, I think chickens are the ones who have it worst (at least here) so I do try to make sure that the meat I'm buying is from animals that have had a decent treatment.
as long as the protien isn't coming from the metabolization of muscle or internal organs you're doing great.
best of luck
yeah, it sounds like her health is unquestional. She should probably do some more addition research though.....
ha ha... that about made me pee myself !!!
why do I keep seeing the following incorrect sequence of letters; "unquestional?"
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Why don't you give him a break and leave him alone? So what if someone makes a few typing mistakes. Onelongsong is a good guy, unlike YOU.
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it's also "congratulations." i figure, you should be perfect yourself if you're going to question the things that other people say. have a nice day.
and, again, i eat meat...and i work-out...and i take vitamin supplements...i snort coke...drink 6 beers a day...and fuck men...anyone have a problem with any of this?
from my window to yours
Hemp powder provides all the essential amino acids as well.
Looks like it has your Omegas covered too: http://www.globalhempstore.com/hemp-food/nutiva-hemp-protein-powder.html
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I mentioned in an earlier post about a slaughterhouse near my house and the sickening stuff you see if you walk down the alley.
Well, just last night I was going by this place again on the way to the gym (yes, a vegan at the gym...what a shocker, I'm ready for the ridiculous protein questions now). They again had their backdoors open after a day of murdering chickens, so I walked down the alley to take some pictures of the aftermath for those who continue to think that animal welfare groups are making up the horror stories. I came across the usual alley filled with blood, feathers and entrails flowing out of the slaughterhouse and rats running in and out. But this time I noticed these 6 big barrels on a pallet. As I got closer I noticed they were full of dead chickens. 6 giant barrels full of these dead chickens which had not had their necks slit or put through the scalding water. They of course died while in transport in those tiny cages or while being loaded. Many probably were sick and not worthy of being killed for human consumption and were just tossed in there to die (you hear about this all the time). I walked around the barrels and I almost started crying as I saw a baby chicken standing in the alley right beside the 6 barrels of dead chickens. She was very small and didn't look like a full grown chicken like the other dead ones (who are actually only 6 weeks old...frankenchickens). She was sitting there, beside all the dead ones, not moving at all except for shivering. Mean while around me the workers were spraying the alley or moving trucks. It was obvious this little guy was thrown in the trash to die as well, but managed to jump down or fall into the alley. It was truly one of the saddest things I've ever seen. She is now living in a big box in my bathroom while I wait to get her to a farm sanctuary to take care of her. She finally stopped shaking after about 6 hours in a blanket then sleeping the night away. This morning she's finally eating and drinking water, giving these cute little peeps everytime you put your hand in the box. To think the terror and abuse it went through, and the fear it must have had standing in that freezing alley surrounded by death and blood.
A garbage man in a truck saw me holding the chick and came out to talk to me. He doesn;t work for the slaughterhouse but takes the blood and feathers, etc to a rendering plant. He was telling me how he has seen chickens and chicks running around that alley before, or left to die in the garbage bins. Sadly her prospects of living past 6-9 months are very low. The "broiler" chickens are bred to put on alot of weight fast, and they have all sorts of health problems, usually with their legs. It is extremely common for their hearts to just explode inside them. Normal chickens not bred to be eaten can live up to 15 years.
Not a single person on here wouldn't have a broken heart or a tear in there eye if they saw this tiny little bird. These chickens go through the most agonizing torture and horrible death you could imagine.
If you want to see the photos just let me know. I don't have a link yet but would be more than happy to email them to you. Just send me a private message.
This little guy is exactly the reason that eating meat is immoral and wrong. The chickens can be treated great (which they never are) up until slaughter. But there is no humane slaughter. It is ugly, and bloody, and full of pain and 100% completely unneccesary.
and you need the cancer fighting fat conjugated linoleic acid; and selenium; and other minerals. the problem with suppliments is absorption. some suppliments cannot be properly absorbed; some inhibit the absorption of other vitamins. with many suppliments; the unabsorbed matter accumulates in the liver or kidneys.
there's a reason people have been eating meat for thousands of years.