do you eat meat?

sponger

Ahnimus wrote:

Depends on how you define life. Marriam Webster defines it as an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction. By that definition we can't eat carrots either.

Marriam Webster also defines life as the sequence of physical and mental experiences that make up the existence of an individual. So, to what degree does a chicken have life then? Do chickens bond with their mates and congregate to discuss future development? I don't think a chicken has much in terms of mental experience, or even physical ability.

Where do you draw the line? Everything that has a brain? A mammalian brain? Can we eat crab? Can we eat chicken eggs, since they don't have brains?

At this point, I don't draw any lines. On the same token, I don't claim to be justified by necessity. Of course it's heartbreaking to see chickens being boiled alive, but that doesn't stop me from buying chicken.

But, the last thing I'll do is try to say that it's just a part of life. I eat chicken because it tastes good. Even moreso, I eat it because it's the easiest non-red meat source of protein I can find at this time. I've tried living on soy protein and that didn't work.

A Surprise Left

I couldn't go without meat, even if I tried. Hmmmm I'm getting a craving for chicken now......

tara

sponger wrote:

You don't have to be such a communist about it. No one is going to just up and change because you "encourage" them to. In fact, even though I don't eat red meat, your aggressive preaching has inspired me to drive right on over to Carl's Jr. and down a $6 burger. I've been looking for an excuse to do that ever since I stopped eating them 3 years ago, and Your self-righteous approach to spreading the word is just what I was looking for.

did you watch the video i posted on the first page? i challenge you to eat meat after watching that. go watch the part where they get their beaks cut off? could you watch it? are you human?

halv

Just a cookbook I want to recommend to anyone considering going vegan/vegetarian or just to try some meals. It's called How it All Vegan by Sarah Kramer. The recipes are soooooooo good and really easy to make. Honestly whenever my wife and I use it for a recipe it's almost always amazing.

CJMST3K

Pickr wrote:

If God wanted us to be vegetarians then why did he make meat taste so good?

If God didn't want men to rape women then why did he make them feel so good?

...neither of the above statements hold water.

CJMST3K

I encourage people to just, for kicks and giggles, try vegetarianism for 10 days. Just give it a shot. A simple goal.

The first couple of days you'll crave hamburgers or whatever your thing is.

After about 6 days you'll hopefully have broken the habit.

After 10 days you can decide to return to eating meat, or see how far you can go.

Luckily nearby to me there are two all vegetarian restaurants. One is like a little diner, and the other is an all vegan chinese/japanese restaurant.

Cheguevara6 wrote:

I am a vegan. Eating meat is absurd. The conditions of animals who are slaughtered for you meat eaters is really sickening. I suggest you read Fast Food Nation or watch one of PETA's info videos.

These animals aren't being treated fairly, one could even make a case that if these animals were treated well, that maybe their killing or slaughter was somehow positive. Thats not the case here. Chickens are put in bad conditions all cramped together, no where to roam or walk. Pigs are beaten. Its really gross stuff.

I encourage everyone to become vegan. Animals deserve to be respected and to live life.

bovy_j

Cheguevara6 wrote:

I am a vegan. Eating meat is absurd. The conditions of animals who are slaughtered for you meat eaters is really sickening. I suggest you read Fast Food Nation or watch one of PETA's info videos.

These animals aren't being treated fairly, one could even make a case that if these animals were treated well, that maybe their killing or slaughter was somehow positive. Thats not the case here. Chickens are put in bad conditions all cramped together, no where to roam or walk. Pigs are beaten. Its really gross stuff.

I encourage everyone to become vegan. Animals deserve to be respected and to live life.

Yeah, they deserve to be respected, but it's only part of the food chain. As humans, we are theoretically supposed to be omnivores. It is only natural to eat meat. Are animals being killed in the wrong, harmful, torturous ways? Yes they seem to be. That is wrong, but eating meat isn't. As I said, it's part of the food chain. And you can't argue that eating meat is wrong if all the other species of animals are doing it.

weenie

bovy_j wrote:

Yeah, they deserve to be respected, but it's only part of the food chain. As humans, we are theoretically supposed to be omnivores. It is only natural to eat meat. Are animals being killed in the wrong, harmful, torturous ways? Yes they seem to be. That is wrong, but eating meat isn't. As I said, it's part of the food chain. And you can't argue that eating meat is wrong if all the other species of animals are doing it.

Not ALL the other species of animals are doing it. If you've been veggie for 9 years, I would think the thought, let alone the smell, of it would sicken you. ~You don't need something else to die in order for you to live.~

sponger

CJMST3K wrote:

If God didn't want men to rape women then why did he make them feel so good?

On the other hand, if god didn't want men to rape women, he wouldn't have given them more muscles.

Ahnimus

I killed some ants this morning. They were on my toothbrush. Too bad they don't taste good, I'd have eaten them.

Life feeds on life..

tara

Ahnimus wrote:

I killed some ants this morning. They were on my toothbrush. Too bad they don't taste good, I'd have eaten them.

Life feeds on life..

where do you live that you have ants on your toothbrush? did you move in with my roomates from last summer? they didn't even notice the third stage maggots growing in the fruit bowl (my fruit was in the fridge)

tara

bovy_j wrote:

Yeah, they deserve to be respected, but it's only part of the food chain. As humans, we are theoretically supposed to be omnivores. It is only natural to eat meat. Are animals being killed in the wrong, harmful, torturous ways? Yes they seem to be. That is wrong, but eating meat isn't. As I said, it's part of the food chain. And you can't argue that eating meat is wrong if all the other species of animals are doing it.

well put, but....other animals are doing all kinds of things, and our not doing them is what (suposedly) separates us. for example, in many social mammal groups (i can't remember if it's some sort of primate or lions, sorry), a new male will take over the group, and kill off all the young in the group, the theory behind it is taht why should he look after someone else's offspring, and while there are still young to look after the females won't be as ready to breed and spread his genes. if a human does this, it's called murder
also, it IS natural to eat meat, it isn't to torture other animals the way we do. also, in prehistoric times, we ate far less meat than we do now, living mostly on plants, berries, etc, (yes, we died by the time we were 30, but that had a lot to do with exposure to the elements, disease, and getting attacked by other animals) it's a very recent development to eat meat every day.

Ahnimus

tara wrote:

where do you live that you have ants on your toothbrush? did you move in with my roomates from last summer? they didn't even notice the third stage maggots growing in the fruit bowl (my fruit was in the fridge)

I live in the slums, my bathroom is clean, but they just keep coming out of the wall.

In my last apartment we could hear this clicking sound in the wall. So my father rapped on the wall with his knuckle and a huge chunk of the wall fell inwards. We immediately realized there was nothing but a sheet of panelling and 2x4s in the wall. Seconds later an entire army of big black carpenter ants came screaming out of the hole.

satansbedbugs

Ahnimus wrote:

I eat meat. If you are ever stranded with me, watch your back!

LMFAO!!! survivor junkie

Collin

Cheguevara6 wrote:

I am a vegan. Eating meat is absurd. The conditions of animals who are slaughtered for you meat eaters is really sickening. I suggest you read Fast Food Nation or watch one of PETA's info videos.

Eating meat is not absurd at all, it's in our nature, in fact it's natural, regardless of how you feel about it.

The conditions of the animals I eat are not sickening.

I encourage everyone to become vegan. Animals deserve to be respected and to live life.

A vegan? What the fuck is wrong with eating cheese man? Or eating an egg? If you had said vegetarian, I could have seen your point but you totally lost me here, man.

tybird

Ahnimus wrote:

I killed some ants this morning. They were on my toothbrush. Too bad they don't taste good, I'd have eaten them.

Life feeds on life..

Be careful some ants produce an acid as a defense mechanism.....really they do.

aNiMaL

Yes, I eat meat.

sourdough

I eat meat, but less of it by far than I used to. I do have ethical issues with meat, however, I can't break the habit. My reasons for guilt are:

1) Our animals that we produce for foodstock are generally mistreated and abused. I don't believe that any living thing should be put into any unnecessary torture or abuse and this includes animals. That said, I don't have the same guilt if I bought free range cattle or certified meats (however see reason #2). Furthermore, I do not have any issue whatsoever with hunting so long as it is done by the book and nothing or very little is wasted. I have not hunted but I plan on learning how to shoot and at least try it.

2) Animal production is horribly inefficient in terms of the amount of space and resources to produce meat vs. the efficiency it takes to produce the same amount of agriculture. This means a higher ecological footprint, more forests cut, more transportation and fuel burned and more resources consumed per calorie by a long shot. Long story short, animal production is much worse for the environment.

I'm not really advocating for a NO meat diet, just a reduced meat diet. With so many people starving and the amount of habitat loss that we are seeing, we could solve many of our problems that we are seeing today.

tara

Ahnimus wrote:

I live in the slums, my bathroom is clean, but they just keep coming out of the wall.

In my last apartment we could hear this clicking sound in the wall. So my father rapped on the wall with his knuckle and a huge chunk of the wall fell inwards. We immediately realized there was nothing but a sheet of panelling and 2x4s in the wall. Seconds later an entire army of big black carpenter ants came screaming out of the hole.

i feel for you, that's what my last place was like, lived above a portuguese restaurant, where they were frying fish all the time, we had mice, roaches, the afformentioned maggots, and on top of it all, my roomates didn't clean, EVER, well i wasn't going to be their maid, and eventually MOLD started growing in the bathroom sink, i took out a loan, and moved out soon after

mensane

i only eat fish and seafood.