You should sit this one out. If you'd like to try to defend Roe v. Wade be my guest, though.
So you are the owner of the thread now and I have to be welcomed as a guest by you to comment. Boy! Why does the phrase "Young, dumb and full of cum" keep resounding in my brain everytime you are around?
Why thank you! I'm sure my days with Miss Australia are well and truly over! But at least the blood is still coursing round my brain and not lost somewhere in my pants like yourself! Because you have been giving us such mind expanding insights as usual. NOT!
Thanks Ahnimus. Did you win btw? Wasn't quick enough to wish you luck I don't think.
I'm in 3rd now and guaranteed to get at least 5th with 5 remaining. 5th place is worth $42.56 and I spent $5 getting into the tourny. So I'm happy either way
Thanks
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm in 3rd now and guaranteed to get at least 5th with 5 remaining. 5th place is worth $42.56 and I spent $5 getting into the tourny. So I'm happy either way
Thanks
Sorry love I have less of a clue about betting than I do about cricket!! ZERO!! But I'll wish you luck anyway. SO GOOD LUCK!!!
I came in 3rd in the end, I won $85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:):):):):):):):)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I came in 3rd in the end, I won $85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:):):):):):):):)
WELL!! CONGRATULATIONS!! That's the best thing that's happened on this thread!!
Well except for the bit where WE are still HERE and somebody has got poo pants and packed up his bat and ball and gone home!! Who's the WINNER NOW??!!! :D
Not having a go at you at all. It's just it never ceases to amaze me some people would choose the rights of an embryo that cannot support itself over that a fully functioning sexually mature female. And still not having a go at you but it makes me really angry when men, who will never have to make the decision one way or another think they have the right to dictate what I and other women will do with our bodies. When embryos can support themselves and or men can carry a pregnancy to full term then I might be more able to consider their opinion on this. My body, my choice. When it's your body it's your choice. AND people, both men and women, need to understand that the outcome of sex CAN in some cases result in pregnancy and perhaps a discussion about possible outcomes needs to happen before they get down and dirty together. Embryos are not babies. AND embryos deserve the right to be allowed to grow into a baby in a body that wants them there. Not trying to negate you. It just makes my blood boil when some people try to hijack a personal decision. If CorporateWhore and his pals really want to do some good in this world then how about looking after the children that are born in horrific circumstances to a life of misery? Or, gee, I don't know maybe spending a bit of their misguided energies on making sure that both males and females are properly educated in how to avoid being in a situation where they have to make this decision in the first place. But I understand what you are saying. It is a very difficult decision to have to make and I guess I can only say, be grateful you'll never have to make it. Hope you don't feel I'm earbashing you. This topic just really makes me cross! :mad: Not you or your comments. The topic.
very well said. i'm a male, but have had some female friends who have had to make the difcicult decision to have an abortion. it's not an easy one to live with, but for them it was a necessary one to make.
As you know, I've argued this to death in numerous other threads over the years, from the legal perspective as well as every other. I choose not to engage in conversation with GutYouLikeABarroomWhore because he is childish and uninformed, and often resorts to borderline-racist statements. He's an attention-seeking little boy and I'm not about to indulge him. Perhaps you and I could discuss it another time.
well said, hippiemom. i'm still trying to figure out which previously banned poster this is. his nonsense sounds all too familiar.
WELL!! CONGRATULATIONS!! That's the best thing that's happened on this thread!!
Well except for the bit where WE are still HERE and somebody has got poo pants and packed up his bat and ball and gone home!! Who's the WINNER NOW??!!! :D
Not bad for a total n00b eh?
I just started playing poker about a week and a half ago. The hardest part about it is patience. You have to be able to sit and fold 300 hands in a row while other people are raking in the pots. I just sat there for the first 30 mins folding my hands and then I got a pair of Aces and went all-in (bet all my chips). Five or Six players called my bet and I won. That put me into first instantly. I kept folding and only betting on really good hands, the top 10 hands in Texas Hold'em. When I got a good hand I would bet really high, or all-in. By the first break (after an hour) I was in the lead by 60,000 chips. Then I continued to fold most of my hands, even the really good ones, just to outlast the other players. This strategy rarely wins 1st place, but I'm almost always in the money.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
very well said. i'm a male, but have had some female friends who have had to make the difcicult decision to have an abortion. it's not an easy one to live with, but for them it was a necessary one to make.
Thanks Mookie. Too tired to even attempt arguing roe v wade. But it is important that someone say that abortion is a necessary procedure and that women should always have the right over their own bodies. You can't say rape is bad with one breath, that a women has a right to say NO to sex and then deny the right to say YES to controlling her fertility. Too many people with too many opinions on women's bodies. And it's really important that we never go back to the bad old days of backyard abortions. I hope your friends are ok whatever their choice was. It is a difficult decision to make and to live with. But so too is having unwanted children that aren't going to be looked after as they deserve.
Thanks Mookie. Too tired to even attempt arguing roe v wade. But it is important that someone say that abortion is a necessary procedure and that women should always have the right over their own bodies. You can't say rape is bad with one breath, that a women has a right to say NO to sex and then deny the right to say YES to controlling her fertility. Too many people with too many opinions on women's bodies. And it's really important that we never go back to the bad old days of backyard abortions. I hope your friends are ok whatever their choice was. It is a difficult decision to make and to live with. But so too is having unwanted children that aren't going to be looked after as they deserve.
My ex always told me she would have an abortion and was dead against having children. But within a year after we broke up she was pregnant and excited about it. A woman's attitude towards abortion changes when she's carrying the child. There is a biological change that occurs. It's a really difficult decision to choose abortion and most women will not.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a woman.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I just started playing poker about a week and a half ago. The hardest part about it is patience. You have to be able to sit and fold 300 hands in a row while other people are raking in the pots. I just sat there for the first 30 mins folding my hands and then I got a pair of Aces and went all-in (bet all my chips). Five or Six players called my bet and I won. That put me into first instantly. I kept folding and only betting on really good hands, the top 10 hands in Texas Hold'em. When I got a good hand I would bet really high, or all-in. By the first break (after an hour) I was in the lead by 60,000 chips. Then I continued to fold most of my hands, even the really good ones, just to outlast the other players. This strategy rarely wins 1st place, but I'm almost always in the money.
Ahnimus I have no idea what you just said but I think it's good! So congrats!!! I've only just learned to play cribbage!! AND I suck at it!!
Ahnimus I have no idea what you just said but I think it's good! So congrats!!! I've only just learned to play cribbage!! AND I suck at it!!
I sucked at poker too, but I searched the internet and found a bunch of videos and strategies. That improved my game drastically.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
My ex always told me she would have an abortion and was dead against having children. But within a year after we broke up she was pregnant and excited about it. A woman's attitude towards abortion changes when she's carrying the child. There is a biological change that occurs. It's a really difficult decision to choose abortion and most women will not.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a woman.
I think a woman's attitude to having a child changes depending on her circumstances. Whatever situation she may find herself in at the time. I have friends who are married that have had several children and have then had an abortion. I have had girlfriends that have raised children as single mothers from the get go and never looked back. I don't agree that most women will not choose abortion Ahnimus, I think that abortion is so stigmatized and women are so vilified for even speaking about it that many of the women you know will have had them and will never mention it. They have them and never speak of them to a soul (as in no one! ) again. Just because circumstance dictates that a women has an abortion with one pregnancy does not mean she will never get pregnant, carry the child to term and embrace motherhood. I think that women make tough decisions about their fertility all the time. If you can't bring up your child with the best possible start that you can give them then abortion is often a good choice to make. Sometimes you have to love your children or potential children enough to know that now is not good enough, what I can give now is not good enough. What I can do now is not good enough. There are plenty of people that have kids and regret it and the person that suffers the most is the kid. It's a very individual thing. And yes very big biological changes occur with pregnancy before, during and after. All hormone driven. It's fascinating what happens and I would really like for them to understand female hormones better particularly in relation to disease. The one thing I do know is never say never. You can't know what is round the corner.
I think a woman's attitude to having a child changes depending on her circumstances. Whatever situation she may find herself in at the time. I have friends who are married that have had several children and have then had an abortion. I have had girlfriends that have raised children as single mothers from the get go and never looked back. I don't agree that most women will not choose abortion Ahnimus, I think that abortion is so stigmatized and women are so vilified for even speaking about it that many of the women you know will have had them and will never mention it. They have them and never speak of them to a soul (as in no one! ) again. Just because circumstance dictates that a women has an abortion with one pregnancy does not mean she will never get pregnant, carry the child to term and embrace motherhood. I think that women make tough decisions about their fertility all the time. If you can't bring up your child with the best possible start that you can give them then abortion is often a good choice to make. Sometimes you have to love your children or potential children enough to know that now is not good enough, what I can give now is not good enough. What I can do now is not good enough. There are plenty of people that have kids and regret it and the person that suffers the most is the kid. It's a very individual thing. And yes very big biological changes occur with pregnancy before, during and after. All hormone driven. It's fascinating what happens and I would really like for them to understand female hormones better particularly in relation to disease. The one thing I do know is never say never. You can't know what is round the corner.
Well, I know understanding women requires a great deal of imagination.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I sucked at poker too, but I searched the internet and found a bunch of videos and strategies. That improved my game drastically.
Clearly it's working if you are winning! The granny has been getting cranky because now she's shown me how to play cribbage I've actually beaten her a few times! BUT it was fluke! I have no idea what I'm doing!
Clearly it's working if you are winning! The granny has been getting cranky because now she's shown me how to play cribbage I've actually beaten her a few times! BUT it was fluke! I have no idea what I'm doing!
I really want to win the WPT sattelite. It's worth $25,000 and entry to the 2007 WPT championship for several million. Plus I get airfare for 2 to Vegas and 3 nights at the Bellagio hotel. That's a bit of a stretch though. lol
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I really want to win the WPT sattelite. It's worth $25,000 and entry to the 2007 WPT championship for several million. Plus I get airfare for 2 to Vegas and 3 nights at the Bellagio hotel. That's a bit of a stretch though. lol
GO FOR IT!! Might as well aim high!! And The Bellagio rings a bell! Sounds like a good one to go for. Just don't break the bank trying to win!
No chance I'll go bust playing cribbage with Granny!!
GO FOR IT!! Might as well aim high!! And The Bellagio rings a bell! Sounds like a good one to go for. Just don't break the bank trying to win!
No chance I'll go bust playing cribbage with Granny!!
It costs 11 cents to get into stage 1, from there on you just have to win 1st in 8 stages.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to make that determination once the states have ruled on the matter.
Let's not forget: the people elected state representatives to go to their respective capitols and vote against abortion in the legislature. This was an issue of the definition of when murder occurs. It is normally left up to the states and was, until the Federal Government ONCE AGAIN stole power from the states.
Anyone else think they can argue in favor of Roe v. Wade?
Neither the federal government nor the state government has been granted the power to legislate such matters.
Here is the 14th amendment:
"Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Ah yes, he left because he knew he was wrong and couldn't defend his beliefs.
hippiemom's response was closer to the mark.
But if instead of discussing you're just baiting and gaming, and your tactic is to send the marching band onto the field and declare victory out of concern over your $1,000 check, have no fear. You can shove it up your ass. It is your constitutional right and no legislation can take that unalienable right away from you.
THis is the most ignorant, arrogant, and childish arguement of this issue. I'm not even pro-life, but this line of thinking is as dumb as you can get. seriously, it's dumb. "you can't have an opinion on abortion b/c you're not a female." That's an idiotic statement. as is the assertion that you can't have an opinion on the war if you don't have a family member fighting in it. how about actually forming an opinion, putting forth facts instead of falling back on emotional zingers.
grow a backbone and make an argument people.
as much as I appreciate your kind words, I do understand why you think that way about my comment. If I was an elected official or was if the nation voted to keep it legal or not, I would probably vote with the pro lifers. but neither of those scenarios will never happen. therefore I find it hard for me to bark at a woman for having an abortion.
if that woman had to go through a vicious rape (again, something that will never happen to me being a man unless im go to jail) or has a very high chance of dying giving birth(something I will never do), who am I to tell her she cant??
as for this
as is the assertion that you can't have an opinion on the war if you don't have a family member fighting in it.
this is a very bad comparison. I can certainly have an opinion about the war. there is a possibility I might be called upon to go to war. hell, if we were attacked or invaded I would call myself to arms. me going to battle, albeit a very small chance, is possible. me being pregnant is not
Neither the federal government nor the state government has been granted the power to legislate such matters.
Here is the 14th amendment:
"Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
hippiemom's response was closer to the mark.
But if instead of discussing you're just baiting and gaming, and your tactic is to send the marching band onto the field and declare victory out of concern over your $1,000 check, have no fear. You can shove it up your ass. It is your constitutional right and no legislation can take that unalienable right away from you.
I will leave Justice Rehnquist to eloquently state why the 14th amendment is not a factor in this case:
"If the Court means by the term "privacy" no more than that the claim of a person to be free from unwanted state regulation of consensual transactions may be a form of "liberty" protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, there is no doubt that similar claims have been upheld in our earlier decisions on the basis of that liberty. I agree with the statement of MR. JUSTICE STEWART in his concurring opinion that the "liberty," against deprivation of which without due process the Fourteenth Amendment protects, embraces more than the rights found in the Bill of Rights. But that liberty is not guaranteed absolutely against deprivation, only against deprivation without due process of law. The test traditionally applied in the area of social and economic legislation is whether or not a law such as that challenged has a rational relation to a valid state objective. Williamson v. Lee Optical Co., 348 U.S. 483, 491 (1955). The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment undoubtedly does place a limit, albeit a broad one, on legislative power to enact laws such as this. If the Texas statute were to prohibit an abortion even where the mother's life is in jeopardy, I have little doubt that such a statute would lack a rational relation to a valid state objective under the test stated in Williamson, supra. But the Court's sweeping invalidation of any restrictions on abortion during the first trimester is impossible to justify under that standard, and the conscious weighing of competing factors that the Court's opinion apparently substitutes for the established test is far more appropriate to a legislative judgment than to a judicial one."
The simple fact is, the framers did not intend "born or naturalized citizens" to offer a scapegoat for legalized abortion. Abortion was criminal in those days and no one would have attempted it. Fetuses that are conceived still have a right to life, as guaranteed by the 14th amendment.
Furthermore, the Supreme Court still had no constitutional right to overturn the Texas statute. Abortion is not a right reserved to the people because the right to privacy does not exist in the constitution. The right to life does, however.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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So you are the owner of the thread now and I have to be welcomed as a guest by you to comment. Boy! Why does the phrase "Young, dumb and full of cum" keep resounding in my brain everytime you are around?
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Why thank you! I'm sure my days with Miss Australia are well and truly over! But at least the blood is still coursing round my brain and not lost somewhere in my pants like yourself! Because you have been giving us such mind expanding insights as usual. NOT!
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Thanks Ahnimus.
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I'm in 3rd now and guaranteed to get at least 5th with 5 remaining. 5th place is worth $42.56 and I spent $5 getting into the tourny. So I'm happy either way
Thanks
Sorry love I have less of a clue about betting than I do about cricket!! ZERO!!
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WELL!! CONGRATULATIONS!! That's the best thing that's happened on this thread!!
Well except for the bit where WE are still HERE and somebody has got poo pants and packed up his bat and ball and gone home!!
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very well said. i'm a male, but have had some female friends who have had to make the difcicult decision to have an abortion. it's not an easy one to live with, but for them it was a necessary one to make.
well said, hippiemom. i'm still trying to figure out which previously banned poster this is. his nonsense sounds all too familiar.
Not bad for a total n00b eh?
I just started playing poker about a week and a half ago. The hardest part about it is patience. You have to be able to sit and fold 300 hands in a row while other people are raking in the pots. I just sat there for the first 30 mins folding my hands and then I got a pair of Aces and went all-in (bet all my chips). Five or Six players called my bet and I won. That put me into first instantly. I kept folding and only betting on really good hands, the top 10 hands in Texas Hold'em. When I got a good hand I would bet really high, or all-in. By the first break (after an hour) I was in the lead by 60,000 chips. Then I continued to fold most of my hands, even the really good ones, just to outlast the other players. This strategy rarely wins 1st place, but I'm almost always in the money.
Thanks Mookie. Too tired to even attempt arguing roe v wade. But it is important that someone say that abortion is a necessary procedure and that women should always have the right over their own bodies. You can't say rape is bad with one breath, that a women has a right to say NO to sex and then deny the right to say YES to controlling her fertility. Too many people with too many opinions on women's bodies. And it's really important that we never go back to the bad old days of backyard abortions. I hope your friends are ok whatever their choice was. It is a difficult decision to make and to live with. But so too is having unwanted children that aren't going to be looked after as they deserve.
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My ex always told me she would have an abortion and was dead against having children. But within a year after we broke up she was pregnant and excited about it. A woman's attitude towards abortion changes when she's carrying the child. There is a biological change that occurs. It's a really difficult decision to choose abortion and most women will not.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a woman.
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I sucked at poker too, but I searched the internet and found a bunch of videos and strategies. That improved my game drastically.
I think a woman's attitude to having a child changes depending on her circumstances. Whatever situation she may find herself in at the time. I have friends who are married that have had several children and have then had an abortion. I have had girlfriends that have raised children as single mothers from the get go and never looked back. I don't agree that most women will not choose abortion Ahnimus, I think that abortion is so stigmatized and women are so vilified for even speaking about it that many of the women you know will have had them and will never mention it. They have them and never speak of them to a soul (as in no one!
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Well, I know understanding women requires a great deal of imagination.
Clearly it's working if you are winning!
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I really want to win the WPT sattelite. It's worth $25,000 and entry to the 2007 WPT championship for several million. Plus I get airfare for 2 to Vegas and 3 nights at the Bellagio hotel. That's a bit of a stretch though. lol
Must be tired!! Skipped right over that little comment!!
Can't correct you! Only got your word for it!!
Just as you only have mine!
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GO FOR IT!! Might as well aim high!! And The Bellagio rings a bell! Sounds like a good one to go for. Just don't break the bank trying to win!
No chance I'll go bust playing cribbage with Granny!!
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It costs 11 cents to get into stage 1, from there on you just have to win 1st in 8 stages.
Gee that sounds as cheap as playing Granny!
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Neither the federal government nor the state government has been granted the power to legislate such matters.
Here is the 14th amendment:
"Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
hippiemom's response was closer to the mark.
But if instead of discussing you're just baiting and gaming, and your tactic is to send the marching band onto the field and declare victory out of concern over your $1,000 check, have no fear. You can shove it up your ass. It is your constitutional right and no legislation can take that unalienable right away from you.
http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml
if that woman had to go through a vicious rape (again, something that will never happen to me being a man unless im go to jail) or has a very high chance of dying giving birth(something I will never do), who am I to tell her she cant??
as for this this is a very bad comparison. I can certainly have an opinion about the war. there is a possibility I might be called upon to go to war. hell, if we were attacked or invaded I would call myself to arms. me going to battle, albeit a very small chance, is possible. me being pregnant is not
I will leave Justice Rehnquist to eloquently state why the 14th amendment is not a factor in this case:
"If the Court means by the term "privacy" no more than that the claim of a person to be free from unwanted state regulation of consensual transactions may be a form of "liberty" protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, there is no doubt that similar claims have been upheld in our earlier decisions on the basis of that liberty. I agree with the statement of MR. JUSTICE STEWART in his concurring opinion that the "liberty," against deprivation of which without due process the Fourteenth Amendment protects, embraces more than the rights found in the Bill of Rights. But that liberty is not guaranteed absolutely against deprivation, only against deprivation without due process of law. The test traditionally applied in the area of social and economic legislation is whether or not a law such as that challenged has a rational relation to a valid state objective. Williamson v. Lee Optical Co., 348 U.S. 483, 491 (1955). The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment undoubtedly does place a limit, albeit a broad one, on legislative power to enact laws such as this. If the Texas statute were to prohibit an abortion even where the mother's life is in jeopardy, I have little doubt that such a statute would lack a rational relation to a valid state objective under the test stated in Williamson, supra. But the Court's sweeping invalidation of any restrictions on abortion during the first trimester is impossible to justify under that standard, and the conscious weighing of competing factors that the Court's opinion apparently substitutes for the established test is far more appropriate to a legislative judgment than to a judicial one."
The simple fact is, the framers did not intend "born or naturalized citizens" to offer a scapegoat for legalized abortion. Abortion was criminal in those days and no one would have attempted it. Fetuses that are conceived still have a right to life, as guaranteed by the 14th amendment.
Furthermore, the Supreme Court still had no constitutional right to overturn the Texas statute. Abortion is not a right reserved to the people because the right to privacy does not exist in the constitution. The right to life does, however.
-Enoch Powell