When's the baby born?

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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    tooferz wrote:
    what about the future baby's health? is it going to be born to an unwed young mother who cannot emotionally nor financially care for it? or be born with crack/alcohol/heroin in its system? or be abused n beaten by mom's boyfriend? or microwaved by it's mother? until this country decides to take care of the children already born, they should stay the hell out of a woman's uterus.

    No we should stay in the womans uterus if she is committing murder. better to have a slim chance than to have no chance at all.
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Fuck those people that say an unborn baby is not alive. I went and watch my wife get sonogram last week, cant tell me its not alive.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    miller8966 wrote:
    Well what constitutes an idiot?

    95% of humanity. so abortion is keeping a few of them out. sure, we might lose an einstein or two, but we've got enough of them anyhow. besides, one of them might be able to find definitive proof that evolution is right and creationism wrong, so you should be with me on this in either case. besides, liberals have more abortions, wouldn't you be happy there aren't as many coming into the world? you'll have have your theocricy in no time, with pope bush ruling the world and telling you what movies are too pornographic, what foods are too decadent, what skirts are too short for women, and so on. you'll never have to worry about the sins of the secular flesh again! we'll be just like iran!
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So?

    so, it's contradictory. what do these people wnt from women? besides wanting them to stay in the kitchen and stop acting like he's being unreasonable when he beats her for letting his food get cold...
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    soulsinging wrote:
    so, it's contradictory. what do these people wnt from women?

    I understand that it's contradictory. Again, so what? In other words, what does it matter what "these people" want from women?
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    soulsinging wrote:
    95% of humanity. so abortion is keeping a few of them out. sure, we might lose an einstein or two, but we've got enough of them anyhow. besides, one of them might be able to find definitive proof that evolution is right and creationism wrong, so you should be with me on this in either case. besides, liberals have more abortions, wouldn't you be happy there aren't as many coming into the world? you'll have have your theocricy in no time, with pope bush ruling the world and telling you what movies are too pornographic, what foods are too decadent, what skirts are too short for women, and so on. you'll never have to worry about the sins of the secular flesh again! we'll be just like iran!

    our school system isn't set up for einsteins, it's set up to train us to accept the social and economic order...to accept w/o questioning...it's never been about knowledge or education
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  • tooferz
    tooferz Posts: 135
    miller8966 wrote:
    No we should stay in the womans uterus if she is committing murder. better to have a slim chance than to have no chance at all.

    sometimes there is a fate worse than death. its called living.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I understand that it's contradictory. Again, so what? In other words, what does it matter what "these people" want from women?

    the fact that they're trying to impose it on women without any input from them? surely as the staunch defender of freedom and choice, you can understand that?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    tooferz wrote:
    sometimes there is a fate worse than death. its called living.

    Wow. This is the end game of the murderer's logic, BTW.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    El_Kabong wrote:
    our school system isn't set up for einsteins, it's set up to train us to accept the social and economic order...to accept w/o questioning...it's never been about knowledge or education

    i dont think our school system is set up for anything. it's a train wreck. that's what it is. a hodgpodge of nonsense that does nothing but give kids something to do during the day until they're old enough to work.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    soulsinging wrote:
    the fact that they're trying to impose it on women without any input from them?

    How is someone imposing it on a woman simply by making a judgment?
    surely as the staunch defender of freedom and choice, you can understand that?

    Yes. That's why I'm against abortion law as opposed to abortion judgment.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    farfromglorified wrote:
    tooferz wrote:
    sometimes there is a fate worse than death. its called living.
    Wow. This is the end game of the murderer's logic, BTW.

    I gotta say, I'm with you on this "Wow."
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    How is someone imposing it on a woman simply by making a judgment?



    Yes. That's why I'm against abortion law as opposed to abortion judgment.

    cos they're not making a judgment. they're trying to enact laws about it.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    soulsinging wrote:
    cos they're not making a judgment. they're trying to enact laws about it.

    Since I'm in the "they", you're incorrect. I have no interest in enacting a law around abortion.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Since I'm in the "they", you're incorrect. I have no interest in enacting a law around abortion.

    are you in the they? i wasnt including you.

    you think women dont give enough thought to abortions decisions and simultaneously want them to make them faster?
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    tooferz wrote:
    what about the future baby's health? is it going to be born to an unwed young mother who cannot emotionally nor financially care for it? or be born with crack/alcohol/heroin in its system? or be abused n beaten by mom's boyfriend? or microwaved by it's mother? until this country decides to take care of the children already born, they should stay the hell out of a woman's uterus.

    well shit, maybe we should have mandatory abortions for any baby not born into an ideal situation, or now with genetic testing we can eliminate all undesireable traits. I can see it now we have a checklist that says single mother? Age of mother? household income? steady boyfriend? Poss heart problem? Odds of downs sydnrome? i mean if all of those are risk factors for someone being abused or murdered o I think the gov't has a responsibility to those children to prevent bad things from potentially happening to them (by the way, my tongue is firmly in my cheek).

    Maybe something else should stay out of womans vagina so nothing gets to the uterus. (please dont give me the rape line, I understand that issue perfectly and it does not apply to this post) Also, i agree that we should take care of the children already born and it's sad that we don't take care of them.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    soulsinging wrote:
    are you in the they?

    As someone who often judges women who get abortions in a manner that the woman would likely not agree with, yes.
    you think women dont give enough thought to abortions decisions and simultaneously want them to make them faster?

    Not really, no. I couldn't care less how fast a woman makes that decision.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    chopitdown wrote:
    well shit, maybe we should have mandatory abortions for any baby not born into an ideal situation, or now with genetic testing we can eliminate all undesireable traits. I can see it now we have a checklist that says single mother? Age of mother? household income? steady boyfriend? Poss heart problem? Odds of downs sydnrome? i mean if all of those are risk factors for someone being abused or murdered o I think the gov't has a responsibility to those children to prevent bad things from potentially happening to them (by the way, my tongue is firmly in my cheek).

    Maybe something else should stay out of womans vagina so nothing gets to the uterus. (please dont give me the rape line, I understand that issue perfectly and it does not apply to this post) Also, i agree that we should take care of the children already born and it's sad that we don't take care of them.

    Or how about giving a woman the choice to examine her own situation and decide whether or not it would be a good idea to bring a baby into it
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Or how about giving a woman the choice to examine her own situation and decide whether or not it would be a good idea to bring a baby into it

    after looking at my post, i realize i just need to stay out of this. This is not a discussion day on this issue right now.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    As someone who often judges women who get abortions in a manner that the woman would likely not agree with, yes.



    Not really, no. I couldn't care less how fast a woman makes that decision.

    then you're not in the they. the they are people who are trying to pass laws and find a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" excuse to condemn all abortion and demand its illegality.

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