Feminism
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Where early feminists like Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton supported simple ideas like voting rights, today's feminists speak on any number issues of the woman's experience. The woman's role in the family is denigrated by modern feminists as a ball and chain - not as a leader of the basic family unit. Modern feminists see marriage as one of the most detrimental institutions to women's rights. Why? I am confused by this.
Is there anyone who can explain to me why feminists are so negative toward marriage and procreation?
Is there anyone who can explain to me why feminists are so negative toward marriage and procreation?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
-Enoch Powell
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I know many feminists that are not against marriage or procreation. What they are against is limiting a woman's potential. As many advances as there have been, women are still lagging behind in many different areas. Women are inderectly penalized for being the cornerstone of families, as you put it. When a woman re-enters the workforce after caring for children, she makes, on average $0.85 for every man's dollar.
Also, if you look closely, many feminists fight for mandatory maternity as well as paternity leave.
your girl susan b. anthony was a well-known advocate of singlehood.
maybe you should do some research. here's a tip: feminism is about political, social, and economic equality. because there are so many feminists, there are disagreements about how to achieve those things or sometimes what they entail.
another tip: look up 'coverture'. that's a good start.
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Why do women want to re-enter the workforce? What's the great thrill in that?
Is a woman's potential limited when she cares for children? Doubtful. That is one of the most difficult jobs there is.
-Enoch Powell
So essentially, feminism is bullshit. It's just a polyglot of squabbling women who have no idea what they feel but they sure know that a psychiatrist and some midol will fix the problem?
a ha hahahahhahahah
-Enoch Powell
How about just letting them decide what they want.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
People don't all fit into these nice little boxes of singled mindedness as you'd like to believe.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well this speaks volumes. it seems ignorance is bliss.
cross the river to the eastside
Hell, I'm all for a woman deciding what she wants to do. By all means, don't get married at all. But if she gets married, I think the best decision is for her to take care of the kids until they're ready to go to school. That's best for kids. Kids need moms when they're little, not dads.
That said, I could be a stay-at-home dad if that's what it took. If women want to work that badly and see out their own potential, fine! I'll sit at home, wrestle with the kids, feed them, watch ESPN, and drink beers. During naps I could ride my mountain bike.
Feminism just seems very selfish to me. It's all about what women want and not what men want too.
-Enoch Powell
I didn't say anything like that in my post, go back and read it.
A woman's potential is hindered when she sees her male coleagues making more money than her for doing the exact same job.
It is hindered when she can't or won't put 12 hrs a day of work because she wants to be home with her children.
It is hindered when her family takes a huge financial hit because her work as a mother and wife is not compensated.
You just referred me to a word and the internet. You should explain more or I won't bother looking up words.
I've already looked it up on wikipedia. I'm looking for a more personal take on the issue.
-Enoch Powell
Well, sure, I agree if a woman does equal work, she should get equal compensation. We're heading in that direction. Still, is that the only issue for women left? After that, will feminism no longer have a purpose?
-Enoch Powell
Well, after I have kids, that decision would be up to me and my wife. I'd want to re-enter the workforce if I could make more money than her. If she could make more than me, then she'd re-enter the workforce. It's a purely financial question. Someone needs to take care of the kids, though.
-Enoch Powell
That was easy, wasn't it?
Emotional?
Hahahahaa
-Enoch Powell
You DON'T believe that, do you?
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Certainly not, but EVERYONE needs a job. Everyone has an income that must provide for the welfare of their family. Why should a woman work if the man makes more? Why should a man work if the woman makes more?
-Enoch Powell
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-Enoch Powell
Overall I believe there is more work to bring women equality than men, but that desn't change the fact that feminism does not seem interested in addressing equality issues where women have the upper hand. Also feminism and the current social structures basically completely ignore childrens' rights.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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But those that believe there is no such thing as a woman's "place" anymore than there is a man's "place"...I'm down with them.
sometime it's not always about money... who would have a better work schedule? who would have the best commute? who's benefits and vacation plans are better? these are all subjective, like the decision of who goes to work in the first place is. Maybe both parents can work... maybe finacially both parents have to work...
like most issues, it's not as cut and dry or as black and white as you try to make it.
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Men's group are definitely not doing enough to fight the battles where men get shafted. But they are not funded by all levels of government either. It is not a fair or balanced battled field.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
In my own growth and healing, I've read numerous books on feminism that were about doing what worked. For example, I read books about healing domestic abuse issues that taught ME to own how I contributed to the cycles (which I continually perpetuated in relationship after relationship, fueling the abuse). It was the practical help that taught me how NOT to play victim that helped me actually break the cycles. And this help exists in feminism in a non-blaming-men way. We can't pretend it does not exist. Many of my own interpersonal skills come from this school of thought.
I'm all for empowering men's issues and for supporting men's groups. As I am for anyone in any situation where they are being treated unfairly. I see it as an entirely separate issue from what is being done for women. I also think discerning where the actual problems are is half of the solution in solving them.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
This whole thing that men help women out of the goodness of their hearts, not because they're trying to get something out of it? Really? Is that why it took so long for women to get the right to vote? Is that why it took a WHOLE movement to do it? Men didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it because women wouldn't be silenced anymore!
That pretty much sums up what I would say. The main issue for women right now seems to be equality in the workplace...that's still something that needs attention.