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jsand · August 2006

chiefojibwa wrote:

brilliant response, sir. brilliant.

There's no intelligent response to conspiracy theorists. Why exert any brain power on such nonsense?

Ahnimus · August 2006

jsand wrote:

Why don't you morons read "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts," which was written by the editors of Popular Mechanics (read: no political agenda whatsoever)? Who really has their heads in the sand?

That so many people actually believe this conspiracy bullshit says volumes about the level of intelligence in this country.

I read it, and I posted a thread about it called Debunking Popular Mechanics. It would have been ok, except most of it was just trash talking conspiracy theorists. It would seem most of the "claims" they target are those of the movie Loose Change, which in my opinion is very flawed. They address the claim that there is a pod on the bottom of one of the jets. So they get a photoanalyst to look at a picture of the jet and compare it to a picture of a 767-200ER which is a completely different plane. The 767-200ER has a visible ferring for the landing gear, while the actual plane, a 767-222 does not. I posted all this on that thread. PM also ignores the real solid claims of the 9/11 truth movement, including molten metal, insider trading, etc.. what they've done is target the most outlandish claims, just like Penn & Teller did on their Bullshit! episode Conpspiracy Theories.

SVRDhand13 · August 2006

wow some people on this thread need to jump off of the bush administration's balls.

don't you realize that things just don't add up... and this doesn't mean they were behind 9/11 but it most likely means we're not being told the full truth.

if you think questioning your government is idiotic then i can see why bush won the presidency in the first place (without ever ACTUALLY winning an election (cough: florida and ohio :cough).

if you believe everything the government tells you is true congratulations you're a fucking retard.

floyd1975 · August 2006

SVRDhand13 wrote:

wow some people on this thread need to jump off of the bush administration's balls.

don't you realize that things just don't add up... and this doesn't mean they were behind 9/11 but it most likely means we're not being told the full truth.

if you think questioning your government is idiotic then i can see why bush won the presidency in the first place (without ever ACTUALLY winning an election (cough: florida and ohio :cough).

if you believe everything the government tells you is true congratulations you're a fucking retard.

So since some of us don't believe that all of these people who saw a plane crash into the Pentagon were approached by super secret government agents and told what to say then we are on "the Bush administration's balls?"

Since we don't believe that a plane full of people is being housed at Area 51 where they are making their own society crossbreeding with the aliens then we are "fucking retards?"

There are plenty of legitimate complaints about this administration. Constantly harping on conspiracy theories such as this Pentagon one only makes the other arguments look weaker.

SVRDhand13 · August 2006

zstillings wrote:

So since some of us don't believe that all of these people who saw a plane crash into the Pentagon were approached by super secret government agents and told what to say then we are on "the Bush administration's balls?"

Since we don't believe that a plane full of people is being housed at Area 51 where they are making their own society crossbreeding with the aliens then we are "fucking retards?"

There are plenty of legitimate complaints about this administration. Constantly harping on conspiracy theories such as this Pentagon one only makes the other arguments look weaker.

maybe the government should release the tape of the plane hitting the pentagon then. that piece of shit tape released already shows nothing at all.

the people who are on bush's balls are the ones who never even gave this any real thought before shooting it down.

and you're a fucking retard if you always believ what the government says- just as i said earlier. i don't recall stating anything about Area 51 thanks.

floyd1975 · August 2006

SVRDhand13 wrote:

maybe the government should release the tape of the plane hitting the pentagon then. that piece of shit tape released already shows nothing at all.

All people are going to say to that is that it was doctored. Why do you need this tape when there are pictures of plane parts around the area that the plane hit?

SVRDhand13 wrote:

the people who are on bush's balls are the ones who never even gave this any real thought before shooting it down.

I am one of them. I would not give real thought to something that I know to be false. I am not on Bush's balls.

SVRDhand13 wrote:

and you're a fucking retard if you always believ what the government says- just as i said earlier. i don't recall stating anything about Area 51 thanks.

It seems that believing that a plane hit the Pentagon equates to always believing what the government tells you as I see in this thread. I am not a fucking retard and do not appreciate your insinuation that I am.

SVRDhand13 · August 2006

zstillings wrote:

All people are going to say to that is that it was doctored. Why do you need this tape when there are pictures of plane parts around the area that the plane hit?

I am one of them. I would not give real thought to something that I know to be false. I am not on Bush's balls.

It seems that believing that a plane hit the Pentagon equates to always believing what the government tells you as I see in this thread. I am not a fucking retard and do not appreciate your insinuation that I am.

you made it out to sound like that. if you wanna take two dofferent things i said and throw them together be my guest but i never said if you don't think a plane hit the pentagon you're a retard.

its funny how in this thread the people who flat out deny any conspiracies can talk shit and get away with it. then someone like myself says its stupid to not question your government and everyone jumps down my throat.

don't assume what im thinking people- its all their word for word.

and where those plane parts proven to be from that plane or just some random parts that showed up there? i never heard these were proven to be from the one they say hit the pentagon.

floyd1975 · August 2006

SVRDhand13 wrote:

you made it out to sound like that. if you wanna take two dofferent things i said and throw them together be my guest but i never said if you don't think a plane hit the pentagon you're a retard.

its funny how in this thread the people who flat out deny any conspiracies can talk shit and get away with it. then someone like myself says its stupid to not question your government and everyone jumps down my throat.

don't assume what im thinking people- its all their word for word.

and where those plane parts proven to be from that plane or just some random parts that showed up there? i never heard these were proven to be from the one they say hit the pentagon.

You were the one who brought in believing everything your government tells you. The thread so far was about 9/11. Nobody here ever said they believed everything the government said. You seem to be assuming that about other people based on what they think happened on 9/11. The leap that I made wasn't that great.

I didn't think everyone was jumping down your throat. I thought I was the only one even debating your post about that. Is questioning your post really jumping down your throat?

Those plane parts were planted after people saw a plane going into the building. It sounds like my version of the fact that those parts are from a plane that crashed into the building is a little more solid than a bunch of spooks diverting a plane at the last second while some other projectile is hitting the Pentagon. They then take the passengers from the plane that they diverted and hide them forever.

SVRDhand13 · August 2006

zstillings wrote:

You were the one who brought in believing everything your government tells you. The thread so far was about 9/11. Nobody here ever said they believed everything the government said. You seem to be assuming that about other people based on what they think happened on 9/11. The leap that I made wasn't that great.

I didn't think everyone was jumping down your throat. I thought I was the only one even debating your post about that. Is questioning your post really jumping down your throat?

Those plane parts were planted after people saw a plane going into the building. It sounds like my version of the fact that those parts are from a plane that crashed into the building is a little more solid than a bunch of spooks diverting a plane at the last second while some other projectile is hitting the Pentagon. They then take the passengers from the plane that they diverted and hide them forever.

at first i didn't realize you quoted me twice anyway...

let me clear what i said up then since i may have not been clear.

about the "fucking retard" line: if you beleive everything your gov't tells you (including whatever relating to 9/11) then you are. if you've looked into evidence about 9/11 and feel the government is telling the honest truth then good for you. im not saying anything about those people.

about the plane parts: if the theorists have to prove the government really did partake in this catastrophe then it should also have to be proven these parts where from that plane.

some people saw a plane going into the buidling... some swear it was a missile. i didn't see it obviously so unless i see a tape i don't believe either.

and i do not believe anything about planes being redirected somehwere else- thats sounds pretty impossible to me. well then what happened to those planes- i dunno maybe they were shot down.

anyway i don't even believe the government helped with these attacks (well they did by acting like assholes to other countries for years but you know what i mean- these people are crazy anyway and would have done it anyway).

i'm ranting so now i'll stop writing.

Level50Batman · August 2006

These sites are awesome.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr
http://www.911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com

This video is awesome too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&hl=en

Ahnimus · August 2006

Level50Batman wrote:

These sites are awesome.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr
http://www.911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com

This video is awesome too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&hl=en

As if you posted this here again.

Again, these websites focus on Loose Change which is a load of crap. However, the claims in these websites are just as speculative as Loose Change itself. I guess if you keep posting them though, someone will eventually buy into them.

DriftingByTheStorm · August 2006

BinFrog wrote:

Well I believe that the other option:

A hijacked plane was actually diverted to a secret hangar and not one person has leaked that bit of information, and it was actually a missile that hit the Pentagon.

...is a conspiracy theorist's wet dream but is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Common sense, people. Common sense. Jesus.

Common sense?
Like this? ...

[from http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:U4plXs1qweoJ:www.american-buddha.com/LM.confrontevidencescreen17.htm+cuba+plane+cia+60%27s&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9 ... a cached page ... transcript from CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE -- A CALL TO REOPEN THE 9-11 INVESTIGATION]

James Bamford, Author of "A Pretext for War" and "Body of Secrets" -- Washington, D.C.: The idea was to create a pretext to show that there was an attack by Cuba on the United States, and the idea was to have U.S. personnel from the CIA and other places secretly create terrorism in the United States. The documents actually said people would be shot on American streets, bombs would be blown up, and again, all of the evidence would be laid to point the finger at Castro.

One other idea was they were going to, they had a very complex plan where they were going to take an aircraft and load it with CIA people who looked like college students, fly it over, have it take off from an airport in Miami with a lot of publicity, and then it would quickly, after it got into the air, land at a secret CIA base. At that same time, an identical plane would take off from that CIA base, except this plane would be empty. And it would be remotely piloted from the ground. It was a drone plane that would be very similar to the plane that had just taken off. And once the plane was over Cuba, there was going to be a tape recorder that would have played a distress call into a microphone saying, "Help, we're being shot at," and a few minutes later, once the plane was over Carribean Sea for pass over Cuba, somebody would have pressed the button on the ground, blowing up the plane, and they would have blamed Cuba for killing a planeload of American college students.

At another point, they had this idea where they were going to, actually John Glenn was going to go into his first space mission around the same time. And part of the plan was that if Glenn's rocket accidentally blew up on liftoff, they were going to plant evidence making it look like it was Cuban sabotage that blew it up. These were all outrageous plans. So they made their way all the way up to Secretary of Defense McNamara. Actually, the plans were all signed by all of the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then they went up to McNamara, and McNamara rejected the plan. And that was the end of it.

Of course, the only differences were
a. You had 'Ole Rummy in Def. Sec. position 2001 and not Macky ...
b. yeah, there were no "real" dead people ...

hey ... plans get "better" with age ...

POINT BEING ... Governments will do what they "have to do" to get the ball rolling ...

DEAD BABIES IN INCUBATORS IN KUWAIT, HUH?
:rolleyes:

Philly NJ · August 2006

For anyone who gives the 9/11 conspiracy stories a hint of credibility, I must say that you are so misguided that I would question your agenda. Anyone with a functioning brain and who actually remembers the events of the day would surely call you "kooks".

NewfiePJNut · August 2006

So, what's you're point? People call other people names all the time. In fact, the nay sayers of the Truth use personal attacks as their arguments and they do it because they can't face the facts.

9/11 was an Inside Job, plain and simple and what's worse, there's another one coming. And it's going to happen before November. So, I suggest you doubters wake the hell up and see what the hell is happening in the real world.

melodious · August 2006

flaming, why do you feel so adament about 911 being an internal affair? i even logged back in, for continuation of this discussion. i can hardly wait to hear

my post consist only of just a couple of words to keep an interested eye alert....thank-you

duncan in the sand · August 2006

monkey spanker wrote:

the cell phone thing. i saw the conspiracy nuts on cspan the other day, yeah they're kooks. anyway, i worked for a major airline for 11 years. and i flew
everywhere and anywhere. CELL PHONES WORK PERFECTLY FINE ON PLANES. i used to use mine all the time and i would even say the ones i had worked better on planes than on the ground. there is NO cell phone that will interfere with the avionics on an aircraft. but with cell phone technology changing everyday, it is best to just ban them all.

liar

duncan in the sand · August 2006

Philly NJ wrote:

For anyone who gives the 9/11 conspiracy stories a hint of credibility, I must say that you are so misguided that I would question your agenda. Anyone with a functioning brain and who actually remembers the events of the day would surely call you "kooks".

get bent

duncan in the sand · August 2006

jsand wrote:

Why don't you morons read "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts," which was written by the editors of Popular Mechanics (read: no political agenda whatsoever)? Who really has their heads in the sand?

That so many people actually believe this conspiracy bullshit says volumes about the level of intelligence in this country.

wrong the hearst publishers are zionists

NewfiePJNut · August 2006

melodious wrote:

flaming, why do you feel so adament about 911 being an internal affair? i even logged back in, for continuation of this discussion. i can hardly wait to hear

my post consist only of just a couple of words to keep an interested eye alert....thank-you

melodious · August 2006

missed one...

counterpunch......

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