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  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    1. Physics is not a conspiracy theory
    2. Thermodynamics is not a conspiracy theory
    3. 600% increase in puts on United and American are not conspiracy theories
    4. Eyewitness testimony is not a conspiracy theory
    5. Project Achilles is not a conspiracy theory (http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm)
    6. $30+ million dollars going to the Taliban from the USA 4 months before 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory.


    and that's just off the top of my head.
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  • monkey spanker
    monkey spanker Posts: 283
    enharmonic wrote:
    1. Physics is not a conspiracy theory
    2. Thermodynamics is not a conspiracy theory
    3. 600% increase in puts on United and American are not conspiracy theories
    4. Eyewitness testimony is not a conspiracy theory
    5. Project Achilles is not a conspiracy theory (http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm)
    5. $30+ million dollars going to the Taliban from the USA 4 months before 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory.


    and that's just off the top of my head.
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    the one link you provided was about cell phone usage on planes. well, i can tell you from first hand experience that cell phones work just fine in planes. i used them all the time.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    monkey spanker wrote:
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    the one link you provided was about cell phone usage on planes. well, i can tell you from first hand experience that cell phones work just fine in planes. i used them all the time.

    They do and they don't. I think it's at 30,000 ft that they stop working. Boeing has actually worked on a system to allow cell phones to work at that height.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Tower block fire aids 9/11 debate
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/5216788.stm
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  • melodious
    melodious Posts: 1,719
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Check it out, I've had a few friends studying cognition. One was studying genetic effects on cognition and I myself studied a bit of psychology, sociology and criminology.

    Cognitions which contradict each other are said to be "dissonant," while cognitions which agree with each other are said to be "consonant." Cognitions which neither agree nor disagree with each other are said to be "irrelevant." (Festinger, 1957)

    The introduction of new cognition that is dissonant with a currently held cognition creates a state of "dissonance," the magnitude of which relates to the relative importance of the involved cognitions. Dissonance can be reduced either by eliminating dissonant cognitions, or by adding new consonant cognitions. The maximum possible dissonance is equal to the resistance to change of the less resistant cognition; therefore, once dissonance reaches a level that overcomes the resistance of one of the cognitions involved, that cognition will be changed or eliminated, and dissonance will be reduced.

    This leads some people who feel dissonance to seek information that will reduce dissonance and avoid information that will increase dissonance. People who are involuntarily exposed to information that increases dissonance are likely to discount that information, either by ignoring it, misinterpreting it, or denying it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#Basic_theory
    interesting indeed.
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  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    monkey spanker wrote:
    \

    the one link you provided was about cell phone usage on planes. well, i can tell you from first hand experience that cell phones work just fine in planes. i used them all the time.

    You could be one of the 4% or so that gets lucky. I know a thing or 500 about RF engineering. We can debate t if you'd like, but the math gets painful. :)
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,016
    monkey spanker wrote:
    1) how do buildings fall straight down???? umm, gravity.
    2) why would there be a need for multiple video cameras to be focused on the pentagon?
    3) open our eyes to what? the kooks have nothing but conspiracy theories, they have conspiracy theories about everything..they're funny that way.

    why would there need to be more than one extremely shitty camera on the most important militiary building in the most powerful country in the world?
    hmm thats a tough one. maybe because the local McDonald's has at least 5 in sight.
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  • NewfiePJNut
    NewfiePJNut Posts: 57
    The ball is rolling. The Truth is coming out and that big bad shadow Government is running with it's tale between it's legs.

    The only problem now is the contingency plan... whatever that may be.
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  • melodious
    melodious Posts: 1,719
    FlameHead wrote:
    The ball is rolling. The Truth is coming out and that big bad shadow Government is running with it's tale between it's legs.

    The only problem now is the contingency plan... whatever that may be.
    as long as they can create FEAR among the herds, they can always improvise...main goal is to create fear and separation...and all of the rest is fluff...
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  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    sorry folks, but the physics works. even if the plane had to clear those trees, which it barely did, the crash site is what you would expect from a plane hitting the lawn just short of the building and ending up in the building's face. Would be nice if all you "I became political on 9/12" people would look back to some of the American disasters that made less sense (psst TWA 800, although most of you were sucking on the teat then).
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    even flow? wrote:
    I wish I lived in the States where the government can't be wrong.


    I live in the US, and my government is wrong all the time. But a god damn plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11.
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  • murph83
    murph83 Posts: 122
    BinFrog wrote:
    I live in the US, and my government is wrong all the time. But a god damn plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11.


    did ya see it?
  • likepilateihaveadog
    likepilateihaveadog Posts: 1,083
    front page news today in the Lancaster, PA paper...

    I think lots more people are aware of this now and may run with it...
    true or not, it's gonna breed more sceptiscm...just what we need.
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,016
    likepilateihaveadog wrote:
    front page news today in the Lancaster, PA paper...

    I think lots more people are aware of this now and may run with it...
    true or not, it's gonna breed more sceptiscm...just what we need.

    can you explain? im confused.
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    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
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  • melodious
    melodious Posts: 1,719
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    can you explain? im confused.
    this would be a most refreshing exspearience....
    all insanity:
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    murph83 wrote:
    did ya see it?


    Well I believe that the other option:

    A hijacked plane was actually diverted to a secret hangar and not one person has leaked that bit of information, and it was actually a missile that hit the Pentagon.

    ...is a conspiracy theorist's wet dream but is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Common sense, people. Common sense. Jesus.
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  • NewfiePJNut
    NewfiePJNut Posts: 57
    The Truth is emerging and it's wonderful to see. Now, if only the rest would get their heads out of the sand (and or their asses), we'd get somewhere.

    Resistance is futile non believers. The Truth will win.
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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    FlameHead wrote:
    The Truth is emerging and it's wonderful to see. Now, if only the rest would get their heads out of the sand (and or their asses), we'd get somewhere.

    Resistance is futile non believers. The Truth will win.

    Why don't you morons read "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts," which was written by the editors of Popular Mechanics (read: no political agenda whatsoever)? Who really has their heads in the sand?

    That so many people actually believe this conspiracy bullshit says volumes about the level of intelligence in this country.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    no, it says volumes about the distrust in government the bush administration has fostered in many americans. we simply don't trust ANYTHING they have to say anymore...their credibility is shot.

    and, uh, how do you know that the editors of popular mechanics have no political agenda whatsoever. are you saying they are all apolitical??

    No man...they actually masterminded 9/11! I've uncovered the TRUTH!

    You people are insane.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    no, it says volumes about the distrust in government the bush administration has fostered in many americans. we simply don't trust ANYTHING they have to say anymore...their credibility is shot.

    and, uh, how do you know that the editors of popular mechanics have no political agenda whatsoever. are you saying they are all apolitical??

    Much of this started very early though which has more to do with the divided nature of the country than anything else. There are many out there and on this site who will find anything they can, true or not, to try to discredit this administration rather than stick with the extreme amount of real and legitimate ways to attack their enemies in power.

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