You all cool with the president be chosen

macgyver06

soulsinging wrote:

im saying the people who flew the planes were trained in afghanistan with the blessing of the taliban.

im saying george bush and his administration pushed for the iraq war and thus are reponsible for its consequences.

i agree with the second part... but not to sure about the first part... some of them recieved training right here in Florida.

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

i agree and i think eventually the saudis will be directly linked to funding it... but that hasnt happened yet and is another thread

We'll leave that one up to Roland or Drifting to create that thread.

RainDog

macgyver06 wrote:

rain dog.. i love you this is what i am arguing... can you admit... that obama hasnt been completely clear on what his plan is... the people who want him elected i think we can all agree want peace... if they want peace and obamas plan is to try and achieve peace... why is he not being completely clear??

i would vote for him if he could start speaking the truth..and who knows we may have to wait until he is nominated by the democrats... but he needs to makie it clear or he doesnt stand a chance

I can't really admit that, because I think he has been pretty clear. Move troops out of the combat zones in Iraq, leave security for the Embassy, then move more troops into Afghanistan and friendly zones that are already in the Middle East.

He answers questions about this when asked, and talks about it in speeches. What's unclear?

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

i agree with the second part... but not to sure about the first part... some of them recieved training right here in Florida.

Dude...come on. You're making it tough to have a logical debate with. They were trained here with monies provied by Al Quaeda.

soulsinging

macgyver06 wrote:

i agree with the second part... but not to sure about the first part... some of them recieved training right here in Florida.

after they had been taught how to get flight classes and secure visas in afghanistan.

stupidcorporatewhore

macgyver06 wrote:

i agree with the second part... but not to sure about the first part... some of them recieved training right here in Florida.

I think that's a bullshit story created by Bushco to convince a bunch of hillbillies to support the war.

They don't have flight training in Saudi Arabia? They need the expertly trained Cessna prop plane crowd in podunk FL to train terrorists to fly a 747 into a building?

If it works for you great. smells like bullshit to me.

MasterFramer

macgyver06 wrote:

i would rather have obama than mccain but im not voting for either one...but im gonna remember this thread and these ridiculous replies and pull it back out in november.


sheep.



and to the ridiculous.. obama hasnt made clear his strategy

his plan is to move the troops from iraq and spread them around the middle east

i dont know about you...but is this open ended to anyone????

USE YOUR BRAINS!


facts.... its the only way to go people...anyone can call someone delusional...but the fact remains...

obama doesnt have a strategy

MCCAIN does...


this is going to make McCain president unless Obama starts being honest...this is the only way the democrats or any party can win... they werent honest in 2004 and they still arent in 2008...

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... yep, you guessed it delusional...

You think the 70% of the American public wants a defined detailed strategy for the middle east? No, they dont, most of them have no idea what a "defined detailed strategy in the middle east" means. They want us out of Iraq. The economy can only benefit from this. Obama will continue to make the points that...

1. The continued occupation of Iraq creates more hostility towards the US.

2. The 11 million every 10 minutes it costs us to be over there is having a negative effect on our economy.

Contrast these will "cancer cheek's" idea of perpetual war and the economy will be fine.

You really think McBush is going to resonate with the American people more than Obama? You really think that McBush can bring NEW people to the process that are going to enjoy the taste of his bullshit? Really?

DELUSIONS OF GRANDURE!

slightofjeff

blackredyellow wrote:

Ya, I do...

He's 117 years old & conservatives hate him.

The only reason that Bush won in 2004 is because of the conservative/evangelical voter turnout, and the fact that he was running against a candidate that no one could get excited about. This time around it's the opposite.

Let Obama keep spouting his quasi-socialist "share the wealth" shit, and conservatives will think McCain is Rush fuckin' Limbaugh.

Seriously, the more I hear from Obama, the more he scares the holy hell out of me. Heard one estimate that said when Obama (or, let's be fair, Hillary) repeals the tax cuts, you can expect a family that makes $50,000 to pay $2,000 more in taxes next year.

That's me. I'm "the rich," apparently. Next year, I'm going to have to find an extra two grand to redistribute to people who didn't earn it. That's just fucking great. Most nations have bloody rebellions to AVOID implementing this kind of socialist bullshit, and we're going to vote it into office.

Anyway, I've got a nasty cold and I feel like shit. Maybe that's making me grumpier than normal.

boxwine_in_hell

soulsinging wrote:

ummm... no, i never thought mccain was going to be president in 04. he wasnt running.

Good point. What I'm not cool with is the thread starters butchering of the English language.

boxwine_in_hell

slightofjeff wrote:

Let Obama keep spouting his quasi-socialist "share the wealth" shit, and conservatives will think McCain is Rush fuckin' Limbaugh.

Seriously, the more I hear from Obama, the more he scares the holy hell out of me. Heard one estimate that said when Obama (or, let's be fair, Hillary) repeals the tax cuts, you can expect a family that makes $50,000 to pay $2,000 more in taxes next year.

That's me. I'm "the rich," apparently. Next year, I'm going to have to find an extra two grand to redistribute to people who didn't earn it. That's just fucking great. Most nations have bloody rebellions to AVOID implementing this kind of socialist bullshit, and we're going to vote it into office.

Anyway, I've got a nasty cold and I feel like shit. Maybe that's making me grumpier than normal.

Wrong, the vast majority of nations pay far more income tax than Americans do. 50% income tax is not an uncommon number in a lot of countries. Granted they get health care and like 8-10 weeks of vacation but you take the good with the bad I suppose.

dcfaithful

macgyver06 wrote:

i would rather have obama than mccain but im not voting for either one...but im gonna remember this thread and these ridiculous replies and pull it back out in november.


sheep.



and to the ridiculous.. obama hasnt made clear his strategy

his plan is to move the troops from iraq and spread them around the middle east

i dont know about you...but is this open ended to anyone????

USE YOUR BRAINS!


facts.... its the only way to go people...anyone can call someone delusional...but the fact remains...

obama doesnt have a strategy

MCCAIN does...


this is going to make McCain president unless Obama starts being honest...this is the only way the democrats or any party can win... they werent honest in 2004 and they still arent in 2008...

and what exactly makes you think that McCain is honest? Because he is a war hero?...because he has a "strategy"? I see him doing the same thing Bush did, and that's sucking our dicks to get in office, and once he has it, he'll once again make dumb ass decisions. This country needs change, and I don't feel confident at all that McCain can provide it...he's jsut a feeble old man following in the steps of an 8 year jackass streak. I can't trust a man who doesn't convince me that he's sincere about the issues he addresses.

Fuck Bush.
Fuck McCain.

slightofjeff

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

Wrong, the vast majority of nations pay far more income tax than Americans do. 50% income tax is not an uncommon number in a lot of countries. Granted they get health care and like 8-10 weeks of vacation but you take the good with the bad I suppose.

What do you mean, wrong? I don't give a crap how much income tax people in other nations pay. If the average worker in (insert country here) has to give half his salary to the government, then I feel sorry for him.

Seriously, Obama is going to take money out of our pockets, while the country is in a recession. Explain to me how that's a wise idea?

Again, I'm trying to avoid "Rovian scare tactics" but I can't shake the belief that Obama is totally naive and unprepared for the big office. Maybe I'm wrong. And since it looks like he's going to be the guy, I hope I am. But I'm afraid he's going to be totally overwhelmed by this gig.

And for those who would say, "Well, nothing can be worse than Bush." What if you're wrong?

I would like to do better than "at least he's better than Bush."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MasterFramer wrote:

You are delusional...

He understands more than most people do on this board.

The real candidates were all marginalized by the media. The MSM and the government are the same entity. They do not look out for your best interests, but rather control your mind and thoughts according to a fixed corporate agenda.

macgyver06

dcfaithful wrote:

and what exactly makes you think that McCain is honest? Because he is a war hero?...because he has a "strategy"? I see him doing the same thing Bush did, and that's sucking our dicks to get in office, and once he has it, he'll once again make dumb ass decisions. This country needs change, and I don't feel confident at all that McCain can provide it...he's jsut a feeble old man following in the steps of an 8 year jackass streak. I can't trust a man who doesn't convince me that he's sincere about the issues he addresses.

Fuck Bush.
Fuck McCain.

i know mccain isnt honest and thats why im not voting for him.. im making the point.. McCain had the gold ticket in 2004... he chose to run on it... and he is going to win.. of course this is my opinion obviously since the election hasnt happened... but if you know a way he is going to be beat... let me know

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

We'll leave that one up to Roland or Drifting to create that thread.

Wait a sec aren't you someone that supports Obama like he's the second coming of Christ?

nevermind..

good luck with that.

macgyver06

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Wait a sec aren't you someone that supports Obama like he's the second coming of Christ?

nevermind..

good luck with that.

im not saying Obama is hitler at all...thats crazy talk ... but this whole thing where... these people have no information on what he plans to do when he is president makes me think...

how many poor Germans were trying to tell people in Nazi Germany that Hitler is a monster... do not follow him


it worries the fuck out of me... those people turned their back on each other and there fellow citizens and put ABSOLUTE FAITH in one man and one VERY DISTORTED idea.



they are still rebuilding from their mistakes...just the other day i was watching a special about german highway systems and the guy said and i quote

'' Im proud to know that when people think of Germany, they think of our great Highway systems''

lol

i think of the Holocaust and Hitler
what about you??

lol

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Wait a sec aren't you someone that supports Obama like he's the second coming of Christ?

nevermind..

good luck with that.

Example #3,939 of Roland not knowing where reality end and a fucking joke begins.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

Example #3,939 of Roland not knowing where reality end and a fucking joke begins.

Oh, I know where the joke begins. The joke begins by wanting to go on some glorious journey by choosing the car with a shiny coat of paint and a busted engine v.s. the opposite.

You're missing the fundamentals to formulate reality.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

macgyver06 wrote:

im not saying Obama is hitler at all...thats crazy talk ... but this whole thing where... these people have no information on what he plans to do when he is president makes me think...

how many poor Germans were trying to tell people in Nazi Germany that Hitler is a monster... do not follow him


it worries the fuck out of me... those people turned their back on each other and there fellow citizens and put ABSOLUTE FAITH in one man and one VERY DISTORTED idea.



they are still rebuilding from their mistakes...just the other day i was watching a special about german highway systems and the guy said and i quote

'' Im proud to know that when people think of Germany, they think of our great Highway systems''

lol

i think of the Holocaust and Hitler
what about you??

lol

It's spraying perfume on a turd. Nothing personal about the guy (Obama) and I'm not calling him a turd, except that he is aloof to the reality of the federal reserve. Without that approach foremost, change is impossible, yet he seems to think otherwise like living in some fairytale reality, and so do the foolish people that follow the reasoning and the process.

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Oh, I know where the joke begins. The joke begins by wanting to go on some glorious journey by choosing the car with a shiny coat of paint and a busted engine v.s. the opposite.

You're missing the fundamentals to formulate reality.

No, I'm choosing the car that I have personally test drove before it was out the market for the masses. The car that I worked with and got to know and am comfortable with.

Now go ahead, call me a blinded by the media or a sheep. That's all you have. I think my above statement proves that your theory does not apply here.