rain dog.. i love you this is what i am arguing... can you admit... that obama hasnt been completely clear on what his plan is... the people who want him elected i think we can all agree want peace... if they want peace and obamas plan is to try and achieve peace... why is he not being completely clear??
i would vote for him if he could start speaking the truth..and who knows we may have to wait until he is nominated by the democrats... but he needs to makie it clear or he doesnt stand a chance
I can't really admit that, because I think he has been pretty clear. Move troops out of the combat zones in Iraq, leave security for the Embassy, then move more troops into Afghanistan and friendly zones that are already in the Middle East.
He answers questions about this when asked, and talks about it in speeches. What's unclear?
i agree with the second part... but not to sure about the first part... some of them recieved training right here in Florida.
I think that's a bullshit story created by Bushco to convince a bunch of hillbillies to support the war.
They don't have flight training in Saudi Arabia? They need the expertly trained Cessna prop plane crowd in podunk FL to train terrorists to fly a 747 into a building?
If it works for you great. smells like bullshit to me.
i would rather have obama than mccain but im not voting for either one...but im gonna remember this thread and these ridiculous replies and pull it back out in november.
sheep.
and to the ridiculous.. obama hasnt made clear his strategy
his plan is to move the troops from iraq and spread them around the middle east
i dont know about you...but is this open ended to anyone????
USE YOUR BRAINS!
facts.... its the only way to go people...anyone can call someone delusional...but the fact remains...
obama doesnt have a strategy
MCCAIN does...
this is going to make McCain president unless Obama starts being honest...this is the only way the democrats or any party can win... they werent honest in 2004 and they still arent in 2008...
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... yep, you guessed it delusional...
You think the 70% of the American public wants a defined detailed strategy for the middle east? No, they dont, most of them have no idea what a "defined detailed strategy in the middle east" means. They want us out of Iraq. The economy can only benefit from this. Obama will continue to make the points that...
1. The continued occupation of Iraq creates more hostility towards the US.
2. The 11 million every 10 minutes it costs us to be over there is having a negative effect on our economy.
Contrast these will "cancer cheek's" idea of perpetual war and the economy will be fine.
You really think McBush is going to resonate with the American people more than Obama? You really think that McBush can bring NEW people to the process that are going to enjoy the taste of his bullshit? Really?
The only reason that Bush won in 2004 is because of the conservative/evangelical voter turnout, and the fact that he was running against a candidate that no one could get excited about. This time around it's the opposite.
Let Obama keep spouting his quasi-socialist "share the wealth" shit, and conservatives will think McCain is Rush fuckin' Limbaugh.
Seriously, the more I hear from Obama, the more he scares the holy hell out of me. Heard one estimate that said when Obama (or, let's be fair, Hillary) repeals the tax cuts, you can expect a family that makes $50,000 to pay $2,000 more in taxes next year.
That's me. I'm "the rich," apparently. Next year, I'm going to have to find an extra two grand to redistribute to people who didn't earn it. That's just fucking great. Most nations have bloody rebellions to AVOID implementing this kind of socialist bullshit, and we're going to vote it into office.
Anyway, I've got a nasty cold and I feel like shit. Maybe that's making me grumpier than normal.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Let Obama keep spouting his quasi-socialist "share the wealth" shit, and conservatives will think McCain is Rush fuckin' Limbaugh.
Seriously, the more I hear from Obama, the more he scares the holy hell out of me. Heard one estimate that said when Obama (or, let's be fair, Hillary) repeals the tax cuts, you can expect a family that makes $50,000 to pay $2,000 more in taxes next year.
That's me. I'm "the rich," apparently. Next year, I'm going to have to find an extra two grand to redistribute to people who didn't earn it. That's just fucking great. Most nations have bloody rebellions to AVOID implementing this kind of socialist bullshit, and we're going to vote it into office.
Anyway, I've got a nasty cold and I feel like shit. Maybe that's making me grumpier than normal.
Wrong, the vast majority of nations pay far more income tax than Americans do. 50% income tax is not an uncommon number in a lot of countries. Granted they get health care and like 8-10 weeks of vacation but you take the good with the bad I suppose.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
i would rather have obama than mccain but im not voting for either one...but im gonna remember this thread and these ridiculous replies and pull it back out in november.
sheep.
and to the ridiculous.. obama hasnt made clear his strategy
his plan is to move the troops from iraq and spread them around the middle east
i dont know about you...but is this open ended to anyone????
USE YOUR BRAINS!
facts.... its the only way to go people...anyone can call someone delusional...but the fact remains...
obama doesnt have a strategy
MCCAIN does...
this is going to make McCain president unless Obama starts being honest...this is the only way the democrats or any party can win... they werent honest in 2004 and they still arent in 2008...
and what exactly makes you think that McCain is honest? Because he is a war hero?...because he has a "strategy"? I see him doing the same thing Bush did, and that's sucking our dicks to get in office, and once he has it, he'll once again make dumb ass decisions. This country needs change, and I don't feel confident at all that McCain can provide it...he's jsut a feeble old man following in the steps of an 8 year jackass streak. I can't trust a man who doesn't convince me that he's sincere about the issues he addresses.
Fuck Bush.
Fuck McCain.
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9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
Wrong, the vast majority of nations pay far more income tax than Americans do. 50% income tax is not an uncommon number in a lot of countries. Granted they get health care and like 8-10 weeks of vacation but you take the good with the bad I suppose.
What do you mean, wrong? I don't give a crap how much income tax people in other nations pay. If the average worker in (insert country here) has to give half his salary to the government, then I feel sorry for him.
Seriously, Obama is going to take money out of our pockets, while the country is in a recession. Explain to me how that's a wise idea?
Again, I'm trying to avoid "Rovian scare tactics" but I can't shake the belief that Obama is totally naive and unprepared for the big office. Maybe I'm wrong. And since it looks like he's going to be the guy, I hope I am. But I'm afraid he's going to be totally overwhelmed by this gig.
And for those who would say, "Well, nothing can be worse than Bush." What if you're wrong?
I would like to do better than "at least he's better than Bush."
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
He understands more than most people do on this board.
The real candidates were all marginalized by the media. The MSM and the government are the same entity. They do not look out for your best interests, but rather control your mind and thoughts according to a fixed corporate agenda.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and what exactly makes you think that McCain is honest? Because he is a war hero?...because he has a "strategy"? I see him doing the same thing Bush did, and that's sucking our dicks to get in office, and once he has it, he'll once again make dumb ass decisions. This country needs change, and I don't feel confident at all that McCain can provide it...he's jsut a feeble old man following in the steps of an 8 year jackass streak. I can't trust a man who doesn't convince me that he's sincere about the issues he addresses.
Fuck Bush.
Fuck McCain.
i know mccain isnt honest and thats why im not voting for him.. im making the point.. McCain had the gold ticket in 2004... he chose to run on it... and he is going to win.. of course this is my opinion obviously since the election hasnt happened... but if you know a way he is going to be beat... let me know
We'll leave that one up to Roland or Drifting to create that thread.
Wait a sec aren't you someone that supports Obama like he's the second coming of Christ?
nevermind..
good luck with that.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Wait a sec aren't you someone that supports Obama like he's the second coming of Christ?
nevermind..
good luck with that.
im not saying Obama is hitler at all...thats crazy talk ... but this whole thing where... these people have no information on what he plans to do when he is president makes me think...
how many poor Germans were trying to tell people in Nazi Germany that Hitler is a monster... do not follow him
it worries the fuck out of me... those people turned their back on each other and there fellow citizens and put ABSOLUTE FAITH in one man and one VERY DISTORTED idea.
they are still rebuilding from their mistakes...just the other day i was watching a special about german highway systems and the guy said and i quote
'' Im proud to know that when people think of Germany, they think of our great Highway systems''
lol
i think of the Holocaust and Hitler
what about you??
Example #3,939 of Roland not knowing where reality end and a fucking joke begins.
Oh, I know where the joke begins. The joke begins by wanting to go on some glorious journey by choosing the car with a shiny coat of paint and a busted engine v.s. the opposite.
You're missing the fundamentals to formulate reality.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
im not saying Obama is hitler at all...thats crazy talk ... but this whole thing where... these people have no information on what he plans to do when he is president makes me think...
how many poor Germans were trying to tell people in Nazi Germany that Hitler is a monster... do not follow him
it worries the fuck out of me... those people turned their back on each other and there fellow citizens and put ABSOLUTE FAITH in one man and one VERY DISTORTED idea.
they are still rebuilding from their mistakes...just the other day i was watching a special about german highway systems and the guy said and i quote
'' Im proud to know that when people think of Germany, they think of our great Highway systems''
lol
i think of the Holocaust and Hitler
what about you??
lol
It's spraying perfume on a turd. Nothing personal about the guy (Obama) and I'm not calling him a turd, except that he is aloof to the reality of the federal reserve. Without that approach foremost, change is impossible, yet he seems to think otherwise like living in some fairytale reality, and so do the foolish people that follow the reasoning and the process.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Oh, I know where the joke begins. The joke begins by wanting to go on some glorious journey by choosing the car with a shiny coat of paint and a busted engine v.s. the opposite.
You're missing the fundamentals to formulate reality.
No, I'm choosing the car that I have personally test drove before it was out the market for the masses. The car that I worked with and got to know and am comfortable with.
Now go ahead, call me a blinded by the media or a sheep. That's all you have. I think my above statement proves that your theory does not apply here.
No, I'm choosing the car that I have personally test drove before it was out the market for the masses. The car that I worked with and got to know and am comfortable with.
Now go ahead, call me a blinded by the media or a sheep. That's all you have. I think my above statement proves that your theory does not apply here.
Whatever you say. I hold reservation on your personal epiphany. Starstruck might be a better explanation.
Obama comedown syndrome is going to be a hard pill for you to swallow when the time comes.
edit: I should add, I'd like to see the time machine you fabricated that allows you to test drive the future of the world before it occurs. Sounds more like pre-conceived daydreaming to me.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Whatever you say. I hold reservation on your personal epiphany. Starstruck might be a better explanation.
Obama comedown syndrome is going to be a hard pill for you to swallow when the time comes.
edit: I should add, I'd like to see the time machine you fabricated that allows you to test drive the future of the world before it occurs. Sounds more like pre-conceived daydreaming to me.
Yeah, what the fuck do I know I was only worked for the Illinois Senate. I guess I was just daydreaming that commercial shoot I organized for then State Senator Obama in my hometown.
The difference between you and I Roland is that I get out and do the work on political campaigns. I've been on every level of a political campaign from the very bottom working for free to managing campaigns. You on the other hand spew bullshit on a bands message board about candidates for President, when you yourself vote for a Prime Minister.
Yeah, what the fuck do I know I was only worked for the Illinois Senate. I guess I was just daydreaming that commercial shoot I organized for then State Senator Obama in my hometown.
The difference between you and I Roland is that I get out and do the work on political campaigns. I've been on every level of a political campaign from the very bottom working for free to managing campaigns. You on the other hand spew bullshit on a bands message board about candidates for President, when you yourself vote for a Prime Minister.
That's great I can see you're biased quite readily towards Obama saving the world for you. You are smitten by him, and the possibilities of what he might be able to accomplish if that were at all possible given the circumstances of his approach.
History on the other hand paints a different reality.
I like how history shows us the truth of the matter.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That's great I can see you're biased quite readily towards Obama saving the world for you. You are smitten by him, and the possibilities of what he might be able to accomplish if that were at all possible given the circumstances of his approach.
History on the other hand paints a different reality.
I like how history shows us the truth of the matter.
Says the guy who thought Ron Paul would be an effective President and get things in DC. If you think Paul would get more done than Barack Obama, or any other candidate still standing, than you are crazy.
History also shows that once in a generation a figure like Obama starts a movement in US Presidential politocs. So far those Presidents have been judged postively by history...JFK and good old Jelly Beans in the early 80's.
Says the guy who thought Ron Paul would be an effective President and get things in DC. If you think Paul would get more done than Barack Obama, or any other candidate still standing, than you are crazy.
History also shows that once in a generation a figure like Obama starts a movement in US Presidential politocs. So far those Presidents have been judged postively by history...JFK and good old Jelly Beans in the early 80's.
Obama knows which side his bread is buttered on. He might get some validity if he actually said boo about the federal reserve once or twice. Until then it's all just shiny words that some people want so desperately to hear. Playing along within the institution while talking about being outside of it.
edit: next time you;re at the clubhouse having drinks with him or whatever it is that you purportedly do in your personal time/exposure with him. Ask him some good hard questions on the federal reserve, and post his answers back here. That would be very interesting to see at the outset.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
edit: next time you;re at the clubhouse having drinks with him or whatever it is that you purportedly do in your personal time/exposure with him. Ask him some good hard questions on the federal reserve, and post his answers back here. That would be very interesting to see at the outset.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
i agree with the second part... but not to sure about the first part... some of them recieved training right here in Florida.
We'll leave that one up to Roland or Drifting to create that thread.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
He answers questions about this when asked, and talks about it in speeches. What's unclear?
Dude...come on. You're making it tough to have a logical debate with. They were trained here with monies provied by Al Quaeda.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
after they had been taught how to get flight classes and secure visas in afghanistan.
I think that's a bullshit story created by Bushco to convince a bunch of hillbillies to support the war.
They don't have flight training in Saudi Arabia? They need the expertly trained Cessna prop plane crowd in podunk FL to train terrorists to fly a 747 into a building?
If it works for you great. smells like bullshit to me.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... yep, you guessed it delusional...
You think the 70% of the American public wants a defined detailed strategy for the middle east? No, they dont, most of them have no idea what a "defined detailed strategy in the middle east" means. They want us out of Iraq. The economy can only benefit from this. Obama will continue to make the points that...
1. The continued occupation of Iraq creates more hostility towards the US.
2. The 11 million every 10 minutes it costs us to be over there is having a negative effect on our economy.
Contrast these will "cancer cheek's" idea of perpetual war and the economy will be fine.
You really think McBush is going to resonate with the American people more than Obama? You really think that McBush can bring NEW people to the process that are going to enjoy the taste of his bullshit? Really?
DELUSIONS OF GRANDURE!
Let Obama keep spouting his quasi-socialist "share the wealth" shit, and conservatives will think McCain is Rush fuckin' Limbaugh.
Seriously, the more I hear from Obama, the more he scares the holy hell out of me. Heard one estimate that said when Obama (or, let's be fair, Hillary) repeals the tax cuts, you can expect a family that makes $50,000 to pay $2,000 more in taxes next year.
That's me. I'm "the rich," apparently. Next year, I'm going to have to find an extra two grand to redistribute to people who didn't earn it. That's just fucking great. Most nations have bloody rebellions to AVOID implementing this kind of socialist bullshit, and we're going to vote it into office.
Anyway, I've got a nasty cold and I feel like shit. Maybe that's making me grumpier than normal.
for the least they could possibly do
Good point. What I'm not cool with is the thread starters butchering of the English language.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Wrong, the vast majority of nations pay far more income tax than Americans do. 50% income tax is not an uncommon number in a lot of countries. Granted they get health care and like 8-10 weeks of vacation but you take the good with the bad I suppose.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
and what exactly makes you think that McCain is honest? Because he is a war hero?...because he has a "strategy"? I see him doing the same thing Bush did, and that's sucking our dicks to get in office, and once he has it, he'll once again make dumb ass decisions. This country needs change, and I don't feel confident at all that McCain can provide it...he's jsut a feeble old man following in the steps of an 8 year jackass streak. I can't trust a man who doesn't convince me that he's sincere about the issues he addresses.
Fuck Bush.
Fuck McCain.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
What do you mean, wrong? I don't give a crap how much income tax people in other nations pay. If the average worker in (insert country here) has to give half his salary to the government, then I feel sorry for him.
Seriously, Obama is going to take money out of our pockets, while the country is in a recession. Explain to me how that's a wise idea?
Again, I'm trying to avoid "Rovian scare tactics" but I can't shake the belief that Obama is totally naive and unprepared for the big office. Maybe I'm wrong. And since it looks like he's going to be the guy, I hope I am. But I'm afraid he's going to be totally overwhelmed by this gig.
And for those who would say, "Well, nothing can be worse than Bush." What if you're wrong?
I would like to do better than "at least he's better than Bush."
for the least they could possibly do
He understands more than most people do on this board.
The real candidates were all marginalized by the media. The MSM and the government are the same entity. They do not look out for your best interests, but rather control your mind and thoughts according to a fixed corporate agenda.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
i know mccain isnt honest and thats why im not voting for him.. im making the point.. McCain had the gold ticket in 2004... he chose to run on it... and he is going to win.. of course this is my opinion obviously since the election hasnt happened... but if you know a way he is going to be beat... let me know
Wait a sec aren't you someone that supports Obama like he's the second coming of Christ?
nevermind..
good luck with that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
im not saying Obama is hitler at all...thats crazy talk ... but this whole thing where... these people have no information on what he plans to do when he is president makes me think...
how many poor Germans were trying to tell people in Nazi Germany that Hitler is a monster... do not follow him
it worries the fuck out of me... those people turned their back on each other and there fellow citizens and put ABSOLUTE FAITH in one man and one VERY DISTORTED idea.
they are still rebuilding from their mistakes...just the other day i was watching a special about german highway systems and the guy said and i quote
'' Im proud to know that when people think of Germany, they think of our great Highway systems''
lol
i think of the Holocaust and Hitler
what about you??
lol
Example #3,939 of Roland not knowing where reality end and a fucking joke begins.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Oh, I know where the joke begins. The joke begins by wanting to go on some glorious journey by choosing the car with a shiny coat of paint and a busted engine v.s. the opposite.
You're missing the fundamentals to formulate reality.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's spraying perfume on a turd. Nothing personal about the guy (Obama) and I'm not calling him a turd, except that he is aloof to the reality of the federal reserve. Without that approach foremost, change is impossible, yet he seems to think otherwise like living in some fairytale reality, and so do the foolish people that follow the reasoning and the process.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
No, I'm choosing the car that I have personally test drove before it was out the market for the masses. The car that I worked with and got to know and am comfortable with.
Now go ahead, call me a blinded by the media or a sheep. That's all you have. I think my above statement proves that your theory does not apply here.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Whatever you say. I hold reservation on your personal epiphany. Starstruck might be a better explanation.
Obama comedown syndrome is going to be a hard pill for you to swallow when the time comes.
edit: I should add, I'd like to see the time machine you fabricated that allows you to test drive the future of the world before it occurs. Sounds more like pre-conceived daydreaming to me.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Yeah, what the fuck do I know I was only worked for the Illinois Senate. I guess I was just daydreaming that commercial shoot I organized for then State Senator Obama in my hometown.
The difference between you and I Roland is that I get out and do the work on political campaigns. I've been on every level of a political campaign from the very bottom working for free to managing campaigns. You on the other hand spew bullshit on a bands message board about candidates for President, when you yourself vote for a Prime Minister.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
That's great I can see you're biased quite readily towards Obama saving the world for you. You are smitten by him, and the possibilities of what he might be able to accomplish if that were at all possible given the circumstances of his approach.
History on the other hand paints a different reality.
I like how history shows us the truth of the matter.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Says the guy who thought Ron Paul would be an effective President and get things in DC. If you think Paul would get more done than Barack Obama, or any other candidate still standing, than you are crazy.
History also shows that once in a generation a figure like Obama starts a movement in US Presidential politocs. So far those Presidents have been judged postively by history...JFK and good old Jelly Beans in the early 80's.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Obama knows which side his bread is buttered on. He might get some validity if he actually said boo about the federal reserve once or twice. Until then it's all just shiny words that some people want so desperately to hear. Playing along within the institution while talking about being outside of it.
edit: next time you;re at the clubhouse having drinks with him or whatever it is that you purportedly do in your personal time/exposure with him. Ask him some good hard questions on the federal reserve, and post his answers back here. That would be very interesting to see at the outset.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
you just made me spit my drink out a bit..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Hillary's our only chance against McWar
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Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
Huh? If by some stretch of the imagination Hillary gets nominated (not gonna happen), she will get absolutely creamed in the general election.
for the least they could possibly do