''You can't be catholic and pro-abortion.''

searchlightsoul

Ah yes the bible teaching the value of human life. Some quotes I found.


Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)



Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)



God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)



Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)



God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)



More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

even flow?

CorporateWhore wrote:

Hahahahah.

PLEASE! Canada is as PC as they come. Remember Conan O'Brien's Quebec jokes? Remember the PC reaction from that one chick who I forget?

You guys have Quebec which means you perpetually have a stick up your ass.

You really need to undo your tie there boy. If anybody has a sense of humour it must be god. Who sends their kid to get the shit smacked out of them to save humans who trash the planet. Got an answer for that one.

As for the Province of Quebec. I think you should read your posts and the rest of your pent up civilians when they can't take the truth being spouted at them. Now if some of us went off, you would be crying worse then one of the countries in the middle east. Always so hard done by you two are.

even flow?

CorporateWhore wrote:

What use does a real man have for candlesticks?

Only if the man can't achieve an erection - which, if you are indeed hanging around lots of liberal men, I can see how that would be your problem. Liberal men do tend to be homosexuals more frequently than conservative men, I would assume.

Conservatives do enjoy better sex lives, as polls indicate.

Wrong! They are just more open about it because their friends are more down to Earth.

qtegirl

searchlightsoul wrote:

Ah yes the bible teaching the value of human life. Some quotes I found.

God Will Kill Children

Kill Men, Women, and Children


God Kills all the First Born of Egypt


Kill Old Men and Young Women

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners


More Rape and Baby Killing

These are all part of the Old Testament (yes, I know it's all part of the Bible). Anyway, Jesus, and therefore Christianity, teaches about a merciful God, love and peace, instead of the vengeful God.

I'm with you, If you can find some quotes like that in the New Testament (discounting Revelations, we all know what that one says).

angelica

hippiemom wrote:

CorporateWhore wrote:

What use does a real man have for candlesticks?

Only if the man can't achieve an erection - which, if you are indeed hanging around lots of liberal men, I can see how that would be your problem. Liberal men do tend to be homosexuals more frequently than conservative men, I would assume.

Conservatives do enjoy better sex lives, as polls indicate.

This post displays an extraordinary lack of imagination.

Not to mention realism.

Matt8townsend

fanch75 wrote:

Well, I think that He Who is That of all Things Yamcumber is coming to smite thee, but doesn't make it true or correct.

To your second point, I remember talking about sex a bit during pre-cana, it didn't seem that taboo. Sure, against pre-marital sex, but all three major monotheistical religions are, so that isn't unique to Catholics.

Is Catholicism really a monotheistical religion?

First of all you worship the holy 'trinity' - the father, the son and the Holy Ghost - but that's circumvented by a bit of Orwellian Doublethink whereby you believe they're all the same person (if that's so and he also is God incarnate I always thought it strange that Jesus was reported to have said 'My God why have you forsaken me' when he was on the Cross).

And dosn't the reverence for the Virgin Mary rival that for Jesus/God (or should I say Jesod). Most Catholic churches contain just as many 'idols' of her as they as they do of Jesus.

Then you've got all of the Saints (more of whom are added to the Pantheon each year as and when it suits the political interests of the vatican to do so). And many of these have their own areas of expertise and are individually prayed to for their own particular reasons.

I know strictly speaking they're not seen as God's - but in practice isn't this polytheism in all but name?

I guess 1,000 imaginary friends are better than one.

searchlightsoul

qtegirl wrote:

These are all part of the Old Testament (yes, I know it's all part of the Bible). Anyway, Jesus, and therefore Christianity, teaches about a merciful God, love and peace, instead of the vengeful God.

I'm with you, If you can find some quotes like that in the New Testament (discounting Revelations, we all know what that one says).

Jesus tells the pharisees -"If you curse your father or your mother you are to be put to death" Mathew 15:4

amongst much other disturbing stuff but also plenty of good stuff

cornnifer

searchlightsoul wrote:

Jesus tells the pharisees -"If you curse your father or your mother you are to be put to death" Mathew 15:4

amongst much other disturbing stuff but also plenty of good stuff

How about putting this into context, chief.



Matthew 15

Clean and Unclean

1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'[a] and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father[c]' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[d]"



The pharises were chastising Jesus' followers for not washing their hands before eating which was Jewish law and tradition, and Christ was simply pointing out their hypocrisy. Context. Context. Context.

Buru

ah nevermind

If education were better and people took proper care of themselves, we wouldn't have to be dealing as much with abortion, or at least there would be less cases

I am pro-choice, but in being so, I think this choice should not be made recklessly. And I am sure abortion is not an easy choice, though I've never been faced with that decision.

All this talk about the bible... we all have our moral codes, it's not something that should come out of a book to follow blindly. We live, we question, we learn.

jlew24asu

Buru wrote:

ah nevermind

If education were better and people took proper care of themselves, we wouldn't have to be dealing as much with abortion, or at least there would be less cases

I am pro-choice, but in being so, I think this choice should not be made recklessly. And I am sure abortion is not an easy choice, though I've never been faced with that decision.

All this talk about the bible... we all have our moral codes, it's not something that should come out of a book to follow blindly. We live, we question, we learn.

as long as its a choice, it will be abused recklessly.

Matt8townsend

jlew24asu wrote:

as long as its a choice, it will be abused recklessly.

And were it to be made illegal it would be women's bodies that were being abused recklessly - in back street clinics.

VictoryGin

CorporateWhore wrote:

Having trouble getting a man, eh? haha. They're not liking the abortion stories? Better go with the history of Margaret Sanger!

it sounds like you have an incredibly boring sex life. you can use candlesticks with men AND women.

the heterosexist attitude doesn't surprise me. how vanilla.

jlew24asu

Matt8townsend wrote:

And were it to be made illegal it would be women's bodies that were being abused recklessly - in back street clinics.

that would be her choice.

Buru

jlew24asu wrote:

as long as its a choice, it will be abused recklessly.

You think making a choice, is that easy?
Particularly abortion?

Give people some faith. Most put some thought into their choices.

macgyver06

you can't make a descision for someone else.

jlew24asu

Buru wrote:

You think making a choice, is that easy?
Particularly abortion?

Give people some faith. Most put some thought into their choices.

for some yes. others dont give a fuck. killing a baby is convenient

macgyver06

jlew24asu wrote:

for some yes. others dont give a fuck. killing a baby is convenient

how do you get by judging things you have no clue about?

Matt8townsend

jlew24asu wrote:

that would be her choice.

Yes and my point is that even were it made illegal as you seem to wish it wouldn't stop women having abortions - it would just mean many of them would get physically injured in the process and make what for most women is already a psychologically harrowing experience even worse.

Personally I am against abortion on ethical grounds - but don't belive that ethical stance should be enforced on the many women who have legitimate and irreconcilable reasons for feeling that they just cannot carry a child to term.

I find it amazing that so many of you within the anti-abortionist lobby cry out in apparent sympathy for unborn baby's who during early stages of their development are incapable of experiencing no feelings or sensations and lack any form of sentience or self-awareness (they are alive only in a purely biological sense of the word).......and yet you appear to have such a callous disregard for the welfare of the fully formed human being who can experience all of the pain and fear of which their unborn feotus is incapable.

Ms. Haiku

I'm catholic and pro-choice - Yea for me!!!!!!

I am woman by Helen Reddy:

I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend
'cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again

CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
You can bend but never break me
'cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul

CHORUS

I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand

Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong

FADE
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman

even flow?

VictoryGin wrote:

it sounds like you have an incredibly boring sex life. you can use candlesticks with men AND women.

the heterosexist attitude doesn't surprise me. how vanilla.

Now tell him to drop em and get on his knees. :eek: But be easy and don't light the wick.