Yes and my point is that even were it made illegal as you seem to wish it wouldn't stop women having abortions - it would just mean many of them would get physically injured in the process and make what for most women is already a psychologically harrowing experience even worse.
Personally I am against abortion on ethical grounds - but don't belive that ethical stance should be enforced on the many women who have legitimate and irreconcilable reasons for feeling that they just cannot carry a child to term.
I find it amazing that so many of you within the anti-abortionist lobby cry out in apparent sympathy for unborn baby's who during early stages of their development are incapable of experiencing no feelings or sensations and lack any form of sentience or self-awareness (they are alive only in a purely biological sense of the word).......and yet you appear to have such a callous disregard for the welfare of the fully formed human being who can experience all of the pain and fear of which their unborn feotus is incapable.
I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend
'cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again
CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
You can bend but never break me
'cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul
CHORUS
I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
FADE
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
First of all you worship the holy 'trinity' - the father, the son and the Holy Ghost - but that's circumvented by a bit of Orwellian Doublethink whereby you believe they're all the same person (if that's so and he also is God incarnate I always thought it strange that Jesus was reported to have said 'My God why have you forsaken me' when he was on the Cross).
And dosn't the reverence for the Virgin Mary rival that for Jesus/God (or should I say Jesod). Most Catholic churches contain just as many 'idols' of her as they as they do of Jesus.
Then you've got all of the Saints (more of whom are added to the Pantheon each year as and when it suits the political interests of the vatican to do so). And many of these have their own areas of expertise and are individually prayed to for their own particular reasons.
I know strictly speaking they're not seen as God's - but in practice isn't this polytheism in all but name?
I guess 1,000 imaginary friends are better than one.
1. Trinity - It's a concept of The Father, the Son, & The Holy Spirit all being one of the same entity. I understand why it sounds contradictory, but to Christians they are of the same.
2. Catholics honor Mary, but do not worship her. God choose her to bear Christ, so they honor her. I honor my mom, but do not worship her. Catholics just take that concept to a much higher level.
3. From my understanding (I am not Catholic but have been involved with Catholics), praying to the saints is more like askign them to pray for you in heaven. You know how the Priest will ask the Congregation to pray for this or that? Same thing. Perhaps someone more schooled can chip in.
So in summary, Holy Trinity = God and God is worshipped. Saints are merely honored and asked to pray for us. Not polytheistic.
And were it to be made illegal it would be women's bodies that were being abused recklessly - in back street clinics.
Come on - no one wants that. If abortion was illegal, I know I would make an effort (maybe through donations) to make sure the woman had somewhere to go and deliver the child. Abortion is just as bad for the woman as it is for the baby.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
it sounds like you have an incredibly boring sex life. you can use candlesticks with men AND women.
the heterosexist attitude doesn't surprise me. how vanilla.
Hahaha, you expect a man to cram one of those things up his ass? So liberal men ARE homosexuals?
Any man who would find a way to use one of those things on himself is a flamer, plain and simple. The anus is meant for exit, not entry. Like, how awful would it be to be hooking up with some chick and she pulls that shit out and says to cram it up your pooper.
That's feminism for ya...
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Hahaha, you expect a man to cram one of those things up his ass? So liberal men ARE homosexuals?
Any man who would find a way to use one of those things on himself is a flamer, plain and simple. The anus is meant for exit, not entry. Like, how awful would it be to be hooking up with some chick and she pulls that shit out and says to cram it up your pooper.
That's feminism for ya...
you really don't have an imagination if that's the only scenario you envision.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Hahaha, you expect a man to cram one of those things up his ass? So liberal men ARE homosexuals?
Any man who would find a way to use one of those things on himself is a flamer, plain and simple. The anus is meant for exit, not entry. Like, how awful would it be to be hooking up with some chick and she pulls that shit out and says to cram it up your pooper.
That's feminism for ya...
As I said ... extraordinary lack of imagination.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Hahaha, you expect a man to cram one of those things up his ass? So liberal men ARE homosexuals?
Any man who would find a way to use one of those things on himself is a flamer, plain and simple. The anus is meant for exit, not entry. Like, how awful would it be to be hooking up with some chick and she pulls that shit out and says to cram it up your pooper.
That's feminism for ya...
I don't really know what is conversation is about, but that is hilarious.
I know I'm just trying to lighten up the mood. By the way I was in your neck on the woods, work wise, this morning on an interview.
oh sorry i'm kind of out of it. you were by my workplace? sweet. did you see me walking very quickly to work because i was late? how was the interview?
if you get the job and want it, maybe i'll spring for artisanal. it's in the hood and i love it. i'll start saving.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
oh sorry i'm kind of out of it. you were by my workplace? sweet. did you see me walking very quickly to work because i was late? how was the interview?
if you get the job and want it, maybe i'll spring for artisanal. it's in the hood and i love it. i'll start saving.
Sounds good but we can split the bill.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm not sure how i feel about aborstion but i do know that it is ever womans choice whether they want it or not and that it should be there if they need it! I would never myself but thats my choice and i think that if i did happen to get pregant at my age (25) then its time for me to grow up and deal with the decisions i have made! But you know it might be different for other people!
And to get to my point its everyone's choice no matter what religion you our!
1. Trinity - It's a concept of The Father, the Son, & The Holy Spirit all being one of the same entity. I understand why it sounds contradictory, but to Christians they are of the same.
2. Catholics honor Mary, but do not worship her. God choose her to bear Christ, so they honor her. I honor my mom, but do not worship her. Catholics just take that concept to a much higher level.
3. From my understanding (I am not Catholic but have been involved with Catholics), praying to the saints is more like askign them to pray for you in heaven. You know how the Priest will ask the Congregation to pray for this or that? Same thing. Perhaps someone more schooled can chip in.
So in summary, Holy Trinity = God and God is worshipped. Saints are merely honored and asked to pray for us. Not polytheistic.
this is a pretty good summary. it's a weird doctrine and not easy to put in layman's terms.
this is a pretty good summary. it's a weird doctrine and not easy to put in layman's terms.
I think it is pretty correct too. I am catholic, and I don't think I could have said it any better myself. I am not sure how other denomations get us soooooo screwed up? Uhmmmm?
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And were it to be made illegal it would be women's bodies that were being abused recklessly - in back street clinics.
it sounds like you have an incredibly boring sex life. you can use candlesticks with men AND women.
the heterosexist attitude doesn't surprise me. how vanilla.
cross the river to the eastside
that would be her choice.
You think making a choice, is that easy?
Particularly abortion?
Give people some faith. Most put some thought into their choices.
for some yes. others dont give a fuck. killing a baby is convenient
how do you get by judging things you have no clue about?
Yes and my point is that even were it made illegal as you seem to wish it wouldn't stop women having abortions - it would just mean many of them would get physically injured in the process and make what for most women is already a psychologically harrowing experience even worse.
Personally I am against abortion on ethical grounds - but don't belive that ethical stance should be enforced on the many women who have legitimate and irreconcilable reasons for feeling that they just cannot carry a child to term.
I find it amazing that so many of you within the anti-abortionist lobby cry out in apparent sympathy for unborn baby's who during early stages of their development are incapable of experiencing no feelings or sensations and lack any form of sentience or self-awareness (they are alive only in a purely biological sense of the word).......and yet you appear to have such a callous disregard for the welfare of the fully formed human being who can experience all of the pain and fear of which their unborn feotus is incapable.
I am woman by Helen Reddy:
I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend
'cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again
CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
You can bend but never break me
'cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul
CHORUS
I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
FADE
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Now tell him to drop em and get on his knees. :eek: But be easy and don't light the wick.
are you making that decision for me?
Because they're fucking idiots.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
1. Trinity - It's a concept of The Father, the Son, & The Holy Spirit all being one of the same entity. I understand why it sounds contradictory, but to Christians they are of the same.
2. Catholics honor Mary, but do not worship her. God choose her to bear Christ, so they honor her. I honor my mom, but do not worship her. Catholics just take that concept to a much higher level.
3. From my understanding (I am not Catholic but have been involved with Catholics), praying to the saints is more like askign them to pray for you in heaven. You know how the Priest will ask the Congregation to pray for this or that? Same thing. Perhaps someone more schooled can chip in.
So in summary, Holy Trinity = God and God is worshipped. Saints are merely honored and asked to pray for us. Not polytheistic.
Come on - no one wants that. If abortion was illegal, I know I would make an effort (maybe through donations) to make sure the woman had somewhere to go and deliver the child. Abortion is just as bad for the woman as it is for the baby.
-Enoch Powell
Hahaha, you expect a man to cram one of those things up his ass? So liberal men ARE homosexuals?
Any man who would find a way to use one of those things on himself is a flamer, plain and simple. The anus is meant for exit, not entry. Like, how awful would it be to be hooking up with some chick and she pulls that shit out and says to cram it up your pooper.
That's feminism for ya...
-Enoch Powell
you really don't have an imagination if that's the only scenario you envision.
cross the river to the eastside
I don't really know what is conversation is about, but that is hilarious.
I know this thread went from abortion to sticking candles up your ass.
Seems logical...both are disgusting.
I mean out of all the object out there why a candle?
it's just a euphemism. 'insert' any sex toy to replace 'candlestick'.
cross the river to the eastside
I know I'm just trying to lighten up the mood. By the way I was in your neck on the woods, work wise, this morning on an interview.
oh sorry i'm kind of out of it. you were by my workplace? sweet. did you see me walking very quickly to work because i was late? how was the interview?
if you get the job and want it, maybe i'll spring for artisanal. it's in the hood and i love it. i'll start saving.
cross the river to the eastside
Sounds good but we can split the bill.
What do gay horse's eat?
Haaaaaay.
I'm not sure how i feel about aborstion but i do know that it is ever womans choice whether they want it or not and that it should be there if they need it! I would never myself but thats my choice and i think that if i did happen to get pregant at my age (25) then its time for me to grow up and deal with the decisions i have made! But you know it might be different for other people!
And to get to my point its everyone's choice no matter what religion you our!
this is a pretty good summary. it's a weird doctrine and not easy to put in layman's terms.
I think it is pretty correct too. I am catholic, and I don't think I could have said it any better myself. I am not sure how other denomations get us soooooo screwed up? Uhmmmm?