our laws are based on the 619 commandments (known as the 10 commandments) handed down to moses by God. in there it states the right to defend our rights.
the words "thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation and the hebrew wording is "thou shalt not murder". killing is allowed for protection of self and rights.
GEORGE CARLIN ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
from "Complaints and Grievances" (HBO special)
Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?
You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:
About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.
Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.
Let's start with the first three:
I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME
THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN
THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH
Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:
HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER
Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.
Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS
Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.
And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE
Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.
But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS
This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:
Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.
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Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.
Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:
GEORGE CARLIN ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
from "Complaints and Grievances" (HBO special)
using a comedians skit or commandments abridged so a child can understand them have no place in a debate.
why didn't you post the original 619 laws of God as quoted in the koran? you can then cross reference them with modern law and debate intelligently.
using a comedians skit or commandments abridged so a child can understand them have no place in a debate.
why didn't you post the original 619 laws of God as quoted in the koran? you can then cross reference them with modern law and debate intelligently.
If you knew enough about modern law to debate it intelligently, you'd be explaining to me about the amendment process.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
If you knew enough about modern law to debate it intelligently, you'd be explaining to me about the amendment process.
It seems that our friends arguement is that since the Bill of Rights has bever been amended that it make shim right. Just because it hasn't doesn't mean that it can't seems to be the part he is having trouble grasping.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
If you knew enough about modern law to debate it intelligently, you'd be explaining to me about the amendment process.
I've given up......his response to the actual text of the constitution was a christian based website.......so I brought humor (logic) into the argument and well.........
furthermore; this citizenry you speak of is unarmed. if armed; they would be fighting for the right to defend themselves. anti-gun forces bearing arms to protect themselves makes no sense what so ever.
you also forget that military and guardsmen are fighting and dying to protect their rights. in the history of the us; hundreds of thousands of people died protecting the constitution. with most of these people being owners of personal weapons; they too will join these "rednecks" and secret militias.
i like how you just pretend like i didn't say anything about your shoddy constitutional scholarship. the military and police uphold the laws and constitution of the united states. if the constitution was amended to repeal the 2nd amendment and guns were outlawed, you would be an enemy of the united states and the military and police would be against you to enforce our laws. you and your ilk are (thank god) a small minority.
it's pretty sad that you, a self-proclaimed unbeatable attorney, has been owned by a first year law student and two freelance citizens in constitutional jurisprudence. how many people did you have to threaten at gunpoint to pass the bar?
I've given up......his response to the actual text of the constitution was a christian based website.......so I brought humor (logic) into the argument and well.........
life without humor is death...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Guns are useless without the intent to kill. That is the real problem.
Don't blame the tools, blame the hands.
It's not the caliber of the gun, but how you aim it
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I thought the fact that after the President offered condolences and his shock and horror, etc....that he felt it necessarry to add that he supports people's rights to bear arms was disgusting. What a fucking idiot. That was totally dispicable and inapropriate. Whoever wrote that speech or was pulling his puppet strings should be ashamed of themselves. It made me want to puke.
I think Bush should have said, "I still support immigration." It would have had the same affect.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CitfTtMIx8
GEORGE CARLIN ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
from "Complaints and Grievances" (HBO special)
Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?
You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:
About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.
Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.
Let's start with the first three:
I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME
THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN
THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH
Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:
HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER
Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.
Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS
Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.
And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE
Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.
But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS
This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:
Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.
&
Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.
Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:
Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
using a comedians skit or commandments abridged so a child can understand them have no place in a debate.
why didn't you post the original 619 laws of God as quoted in the koran? you can then cross reference them with modern law and debate intelligently.
It seems that our friends arguement is that since the Bill of Rights has bever been amended that it make shim right. Just because it hasn't doesn't mean that it can't seems to be the part he is having trouble grasping.
I've given up......his response to the actual text of the constitution was a christian based website.......so I brought humor (logic) into the argument and well.........
Don't blame the tools, blame the hands.
i like how you just pretend like i didn't say anything about your shoddy constitutional scholarship. the military and police uphold the laws and constitution of the united states. if the constitution was amended to repeal the 2nd amendment and guns were outlawed, you would be an enemy of the united states and the military and police would be against you to enforce our laws. you and your ilk are (thank god) a small minority.
it's pretty sad that you, a self-proclaimed unbeatable attorney, has been owned by a first year law student and two freelance citizens in constitutional jurisprudence. how many people did you have to threaten at gunpoint to pass the bar?
was that before or after you were a musician in a famous rock band? did your clients have to have their court dates postponed while you toured?
life without humor is death...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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It's not the caliber of the gun, but how you aim it
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think Bush should have said, "I still support immigration." It would have had the same affect.