Bush's Reaction To The Virginia Tech Shootings

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  • dkst0426dkst0426 Posts: 523
    given the evidence provided (takes hand off bible) yes. :D
    Thank you. At least one other sees it.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    the bill of rights are deemed rights given by God and cannot be repealed.
    The Bill of Rights was written by Americans and can be repealed by Americans if and when they choose. God had nothing to do with it, and is not mentioned in the Constitution.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • A disgrace to his entire family. If you're related to this guy...time to move out of the country or change names I suppose...

    http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/newt1.vt14.tues.ap.jpg

    how sad
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • dkst0426 wrote:
    Thank you. At least one other sees it.

    Judging by the thread progression....I think I'm the only other one?!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    The Bill of Rights was written by Americans and can be repealed by Americans if and when they choose. God had nothing to do with it, and is not mentioned in the Constitution.

    The US Declaration of Independence states that God Himself bestowed our rights and liberties upon us. The entire American political experiment is based on that unique premise. No other bulwark exists to safeguard the natural rights of human beings except Divine sanction. Remove God, and you also remove all claims to liberty, rights, meaning and purpose.

    http://inalienable-rights.org/
  • dkst0426dkst0426 Posts: 523
    Judging by the thread progression....I think I'm the only other one?!
    Seems like it. Either that, or people really are filled with that much contempt/hatred for the President that plain facts won't get in the way of those sentiments.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    The US Declaration of Independence states that God Himself bestowed our rights and liberties upon us. The entire American political experiment is based on that unique premise. No other bulwark exists to safeguard the natural rights of human beings except Divine sanction. Remove God, and you also remove all claims to liberty, rights, meaning and purpose.

    http://inalienable-rights.org/
    ...
    God wants us to have guns?
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    The US Declaration of Independence states that God Himself bestowed our rights and liberties upon us. The entire American political experiment is based on that unique premise. No other bulwark exists to safeguard the natural rights of human beings except Divine sanction. Remove God, and you also remove all claims to liberty, rights, meaning and purpose.

    http://inalienable-rights.org/
    The Declaration is not the law of the land, and the UNalienable rights listed therein are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ... nothing there about guns.

    The Bill of Rights, on the other hand, is part of the Constitution, which IS the law of the land, and does not contain a single mention of god, unless you count "in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven." Everything in the Constitution, including the first ten amendments, can be repealed by the American people any time it is their will to do so.

    You keep saying that these rights cannot be repealed. You are 100% wrong, and I'm going to point that out every time you say it.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Even if we were to come to the sober conclusion that we would be better off without any guns, we must remember that it will be impossible to remove all of the guns from America without utterly destroying the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments in the process. The prohibition of alcohol, and now the totally ineffective "war on drugs" demonstrate the futility of attacking such problems with a supply-side prohibition. A larger black market in guns would create a new source of money for organized crime, and cause more violence, as the illegal drug trade has.To get rid of all guns would require using the sorts of gestapo-like police tactics used against Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians. These sorts of tactics, and such blatant disregard for the rest of the Constitution would be exactly the sort of tyranny the 2nd Amendment was designed to prevent

    Even if we could think of a consitutional way to disarm everybody without leaving the criminals as the only armed people, we cannot simply ignore the 2nd Amendment. It was not lightly made, and it should not be lightly thrown out.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    The US Declaration of Independence states that God Himself bestowed our rights and liberties upon us. The entire American political experiment is based on that unique premise. No other bulwark exists to safeguard the natural rights of human beings except Divine sanction. Remove God, and you also remove all claims to liberty, rights, meaning and purpose.

    http://inalienable-rights.org/
    The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

    IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's Godentitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/print_friendly.html?page=declaration_transcript_content.html&title=NARA%20%7C%20The%20Declaration%20of%20Independence%3A%20A%20Transcription

    tell me what laws of nature are and why this was included.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    The Declaration is not the law of the land, and the UNalienable rights listed therein are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ... nothing there about guns.

    The Bill of Rights, on the other hand, is part of the Constitution, which IS the law of the land, and does not contain a single mention of god, unless you count "in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven." Everything in the Constitution, including the first ten amendments, can be repealed by the American people any time it is their will to do so.

    You keep saying that these rights cannot be repealed. You are 100% wrong, and I'm going to point that out every time you say it.

    point it out all you want; until you prove it; you're talking out of your arse.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    point it out all you want; until you prove it; you're talking out of your arse.
    Ok, then why don't you explain Article V to me.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    point it out all you want; until you prove it; you're talking out of your arse.

    What more proof do you need?

    And don't talk to hippiemom like that or I'll be forced to post something terrible.

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  • CServantCServant DCO Posts: 1,182
    The US Declaration of Independence states that God Himself bestowed our rights and liberties upon us. The entire American political experiment is based on that unique premise. No other bulwark exists to safeguard the natural rights of human beings except Divine sanction. Remove God, and you also remove all claims to liberty, rights, meaning and purpose.

    http://inalienable-rights.org/

    Whatever happened to "Seperation of Church & State?" Another novel concept that's gone by the wayside.
    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Mark Twain
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    point it out all you want; until you prove it; you're talking out of your arse.
    ...
    Let me guess why you 'Used to be a lawyer'...
    Because you sucked as a lawyer?
    ...
    I mean... given the types of arguements you present here... I can't even begin to imagine the arguements you presented in a court of law. I'm guessing all of your clients are currently behind bars.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Let me guess why you 'Used to be a lawyer'...
    Because you sucked as a lawyer?
    ...
    I mean... given the types of arguements you present here... I can't even begin to imagine the arguements you presented in a court of law. I'm guessing all of your clients are currently behind bars.

    You never heard the famous, "God is man's best Friend" case ?

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Let me guess why you 'Used to be a lawyer'...
    Because you sucked as a lawyer?
    ...
    I mean... given the types of arguements you present here... I can't even begin to imagine the arguements you presented in a court of law. I'm guessing all of your clients are currently behind bars.

    i RETIRED at age 40. i take it you're still working???
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    point it out all you want; until you prove it; you're talking out of your arse.
    On second thought, I'm not going to wait for you to explain Article V. You can't, because you clearly don't understand it. So how about you try to wrap your genius brain around this:

    The Bill of Rights consists of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They thus became a part of the Constitution itself, as did all subsequent amendments. The process for amending any part of the Constitution is laid out in Article V. There are two ways that it can be done.

    1. Both houses of Congress approve, by a 2/3 majority, a resolution calling for an amendment. The proposed amendment must then be approved by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.

    2. Alternatively, the legislatures of 3/4 of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Any amendments proposed by the convention would then require approval by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.

    Now you explain to me why it is that you think the first ten amendments are somehow immune to this process.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    You never heard the famous, "God is man's best Friend" case ?

    "Gentlemen of the jury, the best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter or buffalo whom he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us -- those whom we trust with our happiness and good name -- may become traitors in their faith. The money that a rock star has he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolute, unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world -- the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous -- is his God.

    "Gentlemen of the jury, a buffaloman's God stands by him in prosperity and poverty, in health and sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow, and the snow drives fiercely, if only he can be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer; he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounter with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

    "If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful God asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and gun laws takes the master in its embrace, and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble God be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death."

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    God wants us to have guns?

    our laws are based on the 619 commandments (known as the 10 commandments) handed down to moses by God. in there it states the right to defend our rights.
    the words "thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation and the hebrew wording is "thou shalt not murder". killing is allowed for protection of self and rights.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gue_barium wrote:
    "Gentlemen of the jury, the best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter or buffalo whom he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us -- those whom we trust with our happiness and good name -- may become traitors in their faith. The money that a rock star has he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolute, unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world -- the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous -- is his God.

    "Gentlemen of the jury, a buffaloman's God stands by him in prosperity and poverty, in health and sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow, and the snow drives fiercely, if only he can be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer; he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounter with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

    "If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful God asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and gun laws takes the master in its embrace, and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble God be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death."


    great piece. do you have a link or case caption? i'd like to read the entire case.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    great piece. do you have a link or case caption? i'd like to read the entire case.

    It's somewhere near the corner of the pony express trail and the old lincoln hwy.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gue_barium wrote:
    It's somewhere near the corner of the pony express trail and the old lincoln hwy.

    at my front door?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    at my front door?

    Consdering everything, I would have guessed your back door.

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  • They shot Old Drum... Gue you plagiarist :P

    http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=V000091
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gue_barium wrote:
    Consdering everything, I would have guessed your back door.

    nope; front door. the historical monument marking the pony express stage stop location is out the back door but the trail intersects the linclon hwy at the front door.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    hippiemom wrote:
    On second thought, I'm not going to wait for you to explain Article V. You can't, because you clearly don't understand it. So how about you try to wrap your genius brain around this:

    The Bill of Rights consists of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They thus became a part of the Constitution itself, as did all subsequent amendments. The process for amending any part of the Constitution is laid out in Article V. There are two ways that it can be done.

    1. Both houses of Congress approve, by a 2/3 majority, a resolution calling for an amendment. The proposed amendment must then be approved by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.

    2. Alternatively, the legislatures of 3/4 of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Any amendments proposed by the convention would then require approval by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.

    Now you explain to me why it is that you think the first ten amendments are somehow immune to this process.
    Seems you somehow skipped over this post. Really, I'm very curious as to how these amendments are immune to the amendment process. Please explain.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    i RETIRED at age 40. i take it you're still working???
    ...
    Retired or Fired... I guess it al depends on how you interpret it.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    our laws are based on the 619 commandments (known as the 10 commandments) handed down to moses by God. in there it states the right to defend our rights.
    the words "thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation and the hebrew wording is "thou shalt not murder". killing is allowed for protection of self and rights.
    ...
    So... all of those people who translated the Bible into English are wrong? Doesn't it mean that if they got 'Kill' and 'Murder' mixed up... they probably got some other stuff mixed up? Like, does 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' actually mean, 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Armed Robbery'... making embezzlement okay?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    So... all of those people who translated the Bible into English are wrong? Doesn't it mean that if they got 'Kill' and 'Murder' mixed up... they probably got some other stuff mixed up? Like, does 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' actually mean, 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Armed Robbery'... making embezzlement okay?

    :D:D Made me laugh :D:D
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