read ahead to the bill of rights. see inalienable rights.
The people made the Constitution, and the people can unmake it.
It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will. -- Chief Justice John Marshall 1821
then prove to me where inalienable rights can be changed.
hmmm, let me look at my textbook... yup, the word inalienable rights is not written anywhere in the 2nd amendment. and article 5 provides very specific guidelines for amending the constitution in any way the people see fit aside from depriving a state of senate representation without its consent.
My guess... It was Spin Control from White House Advisors. You know, because of the reaction to Hurricane Katrina was like after unattended bodies lay rotting in the streets of a major U.S. city (like some sort of Third World country)... that White House Advisors thought they'd get right on this one.
I think it is good that our President is shows concern on a day like today... my question is the sincerity. Is it real or is it political?
With Bush and the people around him... you never know for sure.
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30 some odd kids died...let's talk about Bush....c'mon.
Here, I'll throw you a bone...what he said was stupid, but hardly a big deal compared to the other news. Who gives a shit...the president supports the 2nd amendment....big fucking deal.
Read the thread title........
And it is a big fuckin deal. This is the deadliest school shooting in your country's history, and the president of the united states comes out and says he supports the rights to bare arms!? That's despicable! What, he couldn't wait until all the funerals are over to say something stupid??? If it was his 2 daughters that got shot, do you think he would have been jerking off the NRA??? Some things are better left unsaid.....
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hmmm, let me look at my textbook... yup, the word inalienable rights is not written anywhere in the 2nd amendment. and article 5 provides very specific guidelines for amending the constitution in any way the people see fit aside from depriving a state of senate representation without its consent.
I believe inalienable is in the Declaration of Independence.
Alright, maybe I'm just a bit too upset. Sorry if I pissed anyone off. Thanks to you for your calm discussion. It's just upseting.
What he said was dumb.
It always seems like whenever something horrible happens, people's first reaction is to overreact. I'm not trying to take anything away from the event, but for people to start pointing fingers and yelling at anyone who disagrees at this point is absurd. The only thing we (everyone!) should be doing is a) thinking and helping these poor people's families b) trying to put some calm to the situation and c) learning the facts and acting on what we learn.
read ahead to the bill of rights. see inalienable rights.
well, i thought id humor you and look again, and yup, i dont see the term inalienable rights anywhere. care to cut your bullshit and back your shit up, or would prefer to keep talking out of your NRA pamphlet?
And it is a big fuckin deal. This is the deadliest school shooting in your country's history, and the president of the united states comes out and says he supports the rights to bare arms!? That's despicable! What, he couldn't wait until all the funerals are over to say something stupid??? If it was his 2 daughters that got shot, do you think he would have been jerking off the NRA??? Some things are better left unsaid.....
I did read the thread title...I still find it odd that someone would even care...
But, as I said above, I'm just a bit upset about this and you are right it was a dumb comment. Anyhow, sorry I took it out on you.
Sometimes it just seems like people are waiting for the next opportunity to bash the politician they hate and they loose site of the real issues and tragedies.
There is so much to be said about that, but I will not because this thread is not the place for it.
I was in complete horror when I saw this on the news today. All I could think of was the poor parents who had to sit in agony wondering if their child was alive or dead.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
hmmm, let me look at my textbook... yup, the word inalienable rights is not written anywhere in the 2nd amendment. and article 5 provides very specific guidelines for amending the constitution in any way the people see fit aside from depriving a state of senate representation without its consent.
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henery Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
Is this right to bear arms absolute? Not exactly. There are several cases where courts ruled that certain regulations, such as permits for concealed carrying did not infringe the rights protected by the constitution, as long as the requirements for such a permit are not so difficult to meet that they effectively prevent the law-abiding citizen from owning a gun for legal purposes. There is no dissent about the fact that felons, children, and the insane do not have a right to own guns. U.S. vs. Miller, one of the few cases in this century where the Supreme Court ruled directly on a law in relation to the 2nd Amendment, is one in which a law, prohibiting the possession of a sawed-off shotgun, was upheld only because the weapon was not shown to be one which could serve the purposes of a well regulated militia. In other words, the gun was not a proper tool for a soldier, therefore it was not protected. Actually, soldiers have used such weapons in warfare, but the defendants skipped town and did not appear for trial, so no defense of the weapon's military use was made
ill be damned! you mean it's NOT in the constitution? shit, someone better tell longsong before he REALLY embarrasses himself.
i'm 51 and studied law long before you. the first 10 ammendments are inalienable rights and cannot be changed or modified. i still challenge you to prove me wrong. my trial history is quite impressive. have you won any cases yet?
i'm 51 and studied law long before you. the first 10 ammendments are inalienable rights and cannot be changed or modified. i still challenge you to prove me wrong. my trial history is quite impressive. have you won any cases yet?
So have you 2 decided who has the bigger unit yet?
i'm 51 and studied law long before you. the first 10 ammendments are inalienable rights and cannot be changed or modified. i still challenge you to prove me wrong. my trial history is quite impressive. have you won any cases yet?
then care to refer me to any cases that rule this way? cos i see no mention of inalienable rights anywhere in the bill of rights, nor do i see anything in the constitution that says article 5 applies to everything EXCEPT the first 10 amendments.
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." --Adolph Hitler 1935 'Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation) April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann, "Abschied vom Hessenland!"
i just did. did you miss that part? cmon mr hot shit trial lawyer... 51 means you studied this 30 years ago. it seems you're rusty. ive checked. it's not in there. so, maybe you're not keen on civil procedure, but this is where the burden shifts to you to prove your contention. so quit your coy little platitudes and back your shit up.
and cincy, it's me... that's why he has to carry that gun, to compensate
I'm not hot shot trial lawyer or even a law student but I was always under the impression that the Bill of Rights could be amended if so decided by the people of this country.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
here ya go..........show me the word "inalienable"
THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution
The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;
Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Because he knows, as we all do, that this is going to be used in knee-jerk legislation to try and take more 2nd Amendment Rights away.
Don't bring logic into this. What're you thinking, man?
Pretty impressive use of selective retention to use this to find yet another reason to criticize President Bush. Oh wait, I forgot--the man can do no right at all. Silly me.
then care to refer me to any cases that rule this way? cos i see no mention of inalienable rights anywhere in the bill of rights, nor do i see anything in the constitution that says article 5 applies to everything EXCEPT the first 10 amendments.
Law Dictionary Library > Legal > Law Dictionary Inalienable Rights
Fundamental rights, including the right to practice religion, freedom of speech, due process, and equal protection of the laws, that cannot be transferred to another nor surrendered except by the person possessing them. See Bill of Rights.
United States Bill of Rights
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Bill of Rights
First 10 amendments to the Constitution of the United States, adopted as a group in 1791. They are a collection of guarantees of individual rights and of limitations on federal and state governments that derived from popular dissatisfaction with the limited guarantees of the Constitution. The first Congress submitted 12 amendments (drafted by James Madison) to the states, 10 of which were ratified. The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, speech, and the press and grants the right to petition for redress and to assemble peacefully. The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The 3rd prohibits the quartering of soldiers in private dwellings in peacetime. The 4th protects against unreasonable search and seizure. The 5th establishes grand-jury indictment for serious offenses, protects against double jeopardy in criminal cases, and prohibits compelling testimony by a person against himself. The 6th establishes the rights of the accused to a speedy trial and an impartial jury and guarantees the right to legal counsel and to the obtaining of witnesses in his favour. The 7th preserves the right to trial by jury in serious civil suits and prohibits double jeopardy in civil cases. The 8th prohibits excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment. The 9th states that enumeration of certain rights in the Constitution does not mean the abrogation of rights not mentioned. The 10th reserves to the states and people any powers not delegated to the federal government.
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." --Adolph Hitler 1935 'Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation) April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann, "Abschied vom Hessenland!"
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Actually... it was safer... as long as you were German... and not a Jew... or a Slav... or a gypsie... hell, a foriegner.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Law Dictionary Library > Legal > Law Dictionary Inalienable Rights
Fundamental rights, including the right to practice religion, freedom of speech, due process, and equal protection of the laws, that cannot be transferred to another nor surrendered except by the person possessing them. See Bill of Rights.
United States Bill of Rights
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Bill of Rights
First 10 amendments to the Constitution of the United States, adopted as a group in 1791. They are a collection of guarantees of individual rights and of limitations on federal and state governments that derived from popular dissatisfaction with the limited guarantees of the Constitution. The first Congress submitted 12 amendments (drafted by James Madison) to the states, 10 of which were ratified. The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, speech, and the press and grants the right to petition for redress and to assemble peacefully. The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The 3rd prohibits the quartering of soldiers in private dwellings in peacetime. The 4th protects against unreasonable search and seizure. The 5th establishes grand-jury indictment for serious offenses, protects against double jeopardy in criminal cases, and prohibits compelling testimony by a person against himself. The 6th establishes the rights of the accused to a speedy trial and an impartial jury and guarantees the right to legal counsel and to the obtaining of witnesses in his favour. The 7th preserves the right to trial by jury in serious civil suits and prohibits double jeopardy in civil cases. The 8th prohibits excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment. The 9th states that enumeration of certain rights in the Constitution does not mean the abrogation of rights not mentioned. The 10th reserves to the states and people any powers not delegated to the federal government.
and these rights are considered inalienable and protected becos of their existence in the constitution. the people possessing them can surrender them by voting a constitutional amendment. this is your authority? no constitutional text or jurisprudence? no case law? a dictionary that has a very vague general descriptor? please tell me you don't cite to black's as relevant authority in your briefs and pleadings...
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Alright, maybe I'm just a bit too upset. Sorry if I pissed anyone off. Thanks to you for your calm discussion. It's just upseting.
What he said was dumb.
The people made the Constitution, and the people can unmake it.
It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will. -- Chief Justice John Marshall 1821
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/charters_of_freedom_8.html
hmmm, let me look at my textbook... yup, the word inalienable rights is not written anywhere in the 2nd amendment. and article 5 provides very specific guidelines for amending the constitution in any way the people see fit aside from depriving a state of senate representation without its consent.
I think it is good that our President is shows concern on a day like today... my question is the sincerity. Is it real or is it political?
With Bush and the people around him... you never know for sure.
Hail, Hail!!!
Read the thread title........
And it is a big fuckin deal. This is the deadliest school shooting in your country's history, and the president of the united states comes out and says he supports the rights to bare arms!? That's despicable! What, he couldn't wait until all the funerals are over to say something stupid??? If it was his 2 daughters that got shot, do you think he would have been jerking off the NRA??? Some things are better left unsaid.....
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
I believe inalienable is in the Declaration of Independence.
It always seems like whenever something horrible happens, people's first reaction is to overreact. I'm not trying to take anything away from the event, but for people to start pointing fingers and yelling at anyone who disagrees at this point is absurd. The only thing we (everyone!) should be doing is a) thinking and helping these poor people's families b) trying to put some calm to the situation and c) learning the facts and acting on what we learn.
well, i thought id humor you and look again, and yup, i dont see the term inalienable rights anywhere. care to cut your bullshit and back your shit up, or would prefer to keep talking out of your NRA pamphlet?
I did read the thread title...I still find it odd that someone would even care...
But, as I said above, I'm just a bit upset about this and you are right it was a dumb comment. Anyhow, sorry I took it out on you.
Sometimes it just seems like people are waiting for the next opportunity to bash the politician they hate and they loose site of the real issues and tragedies.
ill be damned! you mean it's NOT in the constitution? shit, someone better tell longsong before he REALLY embarrasses himself.
you know I was pretty sure I was right but since I learned that in like the 5th grade I had to look it up.
There is so much to be said about that, but I will not because this thread is not the place for it.
I was in complete horror when I saw this on the news today. All I could think of was the poor parents who had to sit in agony wondering if their child was alive or dead.
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henery Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
Is this right to bear arms absolute? Not exactly. There are several cases where courts ruled that certain regulations, such as permits for concealed carrying did not infringe the rights protected by the constitution, as long as the requirements for such a permit are not so difficult to meet that they effectively prevent the law-abiding citizen from owning a gun for legal purposes. There is no dissent about the fact that felons, children, and the insane do not have a right to own guns. U.S. vs. Miller, one of the few cases in this century where the Supreme Court ruled directly on a law in relation to the 2nd Amendment, is one in which a law, prohibiting the possession of a sawed-off shotgun, was upheld only because the weapon was not shown to be one which could serve the purposes of a well regulated militia. In other words, the gun was not a proper tool for a soldier, therefore it was not protected. Actually, soldiers have used such weapons in warfare, but the defendants skipped town and did not appear for trial, so no defense of the weapon's military use was made
http://www.trollcave.com/2nd_Amendment.html
i'm 51 and studied law long before you. the first 10 ammendments are inalienable rights and cannot be changed or modified. i still challenge you to prove me wrong. my trial history is quite impressive. have you won any cases yet?
So have you 2 decided who has the bigger unit yet?
look in the bill of rights.
LMFAO!!!! I almost pissed myself from laughing so hard.
Hahahaha, I thought that was pretty good too!
then care to refer me to any cases that rule this way? cos i see no mention of inalienable rights anywhere in the bill of rights, nor do i see anything in the constitution that says article 5 applies to everything EXCEPT the first 10 amendments.
I don't know about these 2, but apparently George Bush thinks Charlton Heston's cock is pretty impressive....
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
i just did. did you miss that part? cmon mr hot shit trial lawyer... 51 means you studied this 30 years ago. it seems you're rusty. ive checked. it's not in there. so, maybe you're not keen on civil procedure, but this is where the burden shifts to you to prove your contention. so quit your coy little platitudes and back your shit up.
and cincy, it's me... that's why he has to carry that gun, to compensate
Yeah.. and they are valuable people too..
Routine in Iraq - happenes virtually every day.. actually 33 violent unnecessary deaths would be a relatively slow day in that little country
that don't make you puke though
here ya go..........show me the word "inalienable"
THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution
The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;
Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Pretty impressive use of selective retention to use this to find yet another reason to criticize President Bush. Oh wait, I forgot--the man can do no right at all. Silly me.
Law Dictionary Library > Legal > Law Dictionary Inalienable Rights
Fundamental rights, including the right to practice religion, freedom of speech, due process, and equal protection of the laws, that cannot be transferred to another nor surrendered except by the person possessing them. See Bill of Rights.
United States Bill of Rights
Click here for more free books!
Bill of Rights
First 10 amendments to the Constitution of the United States, adopted as a group in 1791. They are a collection of guarantees of individual rights and of limitations on federal and state governments that derived from popular dissatisfaction with the limited guarantees of the Constitution. The first Congress submitted 12 amendments (drafted by James Madison) to the states, 10 of which were ratified. The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, speech, and the press and grants the right to petition for redress and to assemble peacefully. The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The 3rd prohibits the quartering of soldiers in private dwellings in peacetime. The 4th protects against unreasonable search and seizure. The 5th establishes grand-jury indictment for serious offenses, protects against double jeopardy in criminal cases, and prohibits compelling testimony by a person against himself. The 6th establishes the rights of the accused to a speedy trial and an impartial jury and guarantees the right to legal counsel and to the obtaining of witnesses in his favour. The 7th preserves the right to trial by jury in serious civil suits and prohibits double jeopardy in civil cases. The 8th prohibits excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment. The 9th states that enumeration of certain rights in the Constitution does not mean the abrogation of rights not mentioned. The 10th reserves to the states and people any powers not delegated to the federal government.
Actually... it was safer... as long as you were German... and not a Jew... or a Slav... or a gypsie... hell, a foriegner.
Hail, Hail!!!
and these rights are considered inalienable and protected becos of their existence in the constitution. the people possessing them can surrender them by voting a constitutional amendment. this is your authority? no constitutional text or jurisprudence? no case law? a dictionary that has a very vague general descriptor? please tell me you don't cite to black's as relevant authority in your briefs and pleadings...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5mNQai9p-8
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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