and there you go again insinuating that I am saying Bush had something to do with 9/11. I believe it took key members of PNAC, as well as highly placed people in the intelligence community (see the Colleen Rowley story) to pull this off.
ok thanks for correcting me. I believe el qaeda and OBL were responsible for the attacks. we both agree to disagree.
just becuase one guy can make a website doesnt make it law. or proven fact. dont waste your time showing me his links. got it? good. and please leave your personal attacks on me out of this discussion. i waasnt talking to you
dude give it a rest. if you honestly believe osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11, you need help.
you have no opinion on those things? you think that was actually osama bin laden in that video? i guess he had a few celebratory big macs and forgot he was lefty that day. i'm just curious about your opinion since you're so convinced that it was "al qaeda" and only "al qaeda".
no arabs on the passenger lists.. odd, no?
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
just becuase one guy can make a website doesnt make it law. or proven fact. dont waste your time showing me his links. got it? good. and please leave your personal attacks on me out of this discussion. i waasnt talking to you
and please continue your avoidance of actually listening to points before dismissing them.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you are in the vast minority, but believe what you want, its a free country
i was in the minority when i opposed the Iraq war as well. doesn't bother me. the fact that you eat the spoon fed version of events, along with the other zombies in this country, doesn't make you right.
listen conspirasy theroists of the world. jim hoffman is one guy who made a website. all of a sudden this guy has to be right? as opposed to the hundreds of bi-partisan men and women who complied information in the 9/11 report.
I believe OBL and el qaeuda planned and carried out the attaks on my country.
so now you will tell me the 9/11 commission report is all lies and little jimmy hoffman is right. one guy. thats it. go live in your deranged world and I will live in mine. deal?
you have no opinion on those things? you think that was actually osama bin laden in that video? i guess he had a few celebratory big macs and forgot he was lefty that day. i'm just curious about your opinion since you're so convinced that it was "al qaeda" and only "al qaeda".
listen conspirasy theroists of the world. jim hoffman is one guy who made a website. all of a sudden this guy has to be right? as opposed to the hundreds of bi-partisan men and women who complied information in the 9/11 report.
I believe OBL and el qaeuda planned and carried out the attaks on my country.
so now you will tell me the 9/11 commission report is all lies and little jimmy hoffman is right. one guy. thats it. go live in your deranged world and I will live in mine. deal?
i honestly didn't even recognize the name jimmy hoffman. there are millions of very reputable people questioning 911, and producing evidence that contradicts the official story - scientists, university professors, ex-military, ex-government officials, etc. its not just this hoffman person and 3 or 4 people in the pj message pit..
and actually, yes, the 911 commission report is full of lies and ommissions. its a complete whitewash. i'd get into that, but you won't offer anything in the discussion. you'll just go back to your "osama did it, and i refuse to believe anything else" deal.
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
and you only believe what the great hoffman tells you. or didt you know your bible of a website was created by one person
honestly, i don't even know who Jim Hoffman is. my evidence comes from a variety of sources.
if you want to know more about the individuals on the 9/11 commission, Michael Ruppert, a former LAPD detective, lays out a pretty good overview in his book "crossing the rubicon", as well as his website fromthewilderness.com.
i honestly didn't even recognize the name jimmy hoffman. there are millions of very reputable people questioning 911, and producing evidence that contradicts the official story - scientists, university professors, ex-military, ex-government officials, etc. its not just this hoffman person and 3 or 4 people in the pj message pit..
and actually, yes, the 911 commission report is full of lies and ommissions. its a complete whitewash. i'd get into that, but you won't offer anything in the discussion. you'll just go back to your "osama did it, and i refuse to believe anything else" deal.
your buddy jimmy hoffman is the sole creator of the 911research site you continue to post.
millions of people huh? now that brings some comic relief to a serious discussion
You can watch pretty well any one of the 9/11 truth movement videos available and see thousands of people demonstrating on the street for the movement.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You can watch pretty well any one of the 9/11 truth movement videos available and see thousands of people demonstrating on the street for the movement.
thanks for posting. here is the first line of the entire page.....
"The collection of individuals, groups and researchers who disagree with the governmental and mainstream media and scientific community's account of the September 11, 2001 attacks have been self-described as the 9/11 Truth Movement. This movement is informal, decentralized and occasionally fractious"
thanks for posting. here is the first line of the entire page.....
"The collection of individuals, groups and researchers who disagree with the governmental and mainstream media and scientific community's account of the September 11, 2001 attacks have been self-described as the 9/11 Truth Movement. This movement is informal, decentralized and occasionally fractious"
thanks but no thanks
same thing the english government would have said about the revolutionaries a couple of hundred years ago...
he is the sole creator of the site you have referenced many times. anything that goes on that site has to be approved by one person.
just about everything on that site is documented. its not like this guy is sitting home dreaming up baseless outrageous stories.. he backs it all up. can you do that for your arguments?
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
thanks for posting. here is the first line of the entire page.....
"The collection of individuals, groups and researchers who disagree with the governmental and mainstream media and scientific community's account of the September 11, 2001 attacks have been self-described as the 9/11 Truth Movement. This movement is informal, decentralized and occasionally fractious"
thanks but no thanks
Yes, it proves it's not all Jim Hoffman but many individuals with different opinions and perspectives...the way people are supposed to be. People, at least ones that dislike the herd, think differently and don't only value one perspective as the whole truth for all.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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ok thanks for correcting me. I believe el qaeda and OBL were responsible for the attacks. we both agree to disagree.
then what do you say to the fact that the bin laden confession tape was fake?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk519bkcLjg
or that some of the supposed hijackers are still alive?
or that no arab names were on any of the passenger lists?
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passengers.html
we do. its unfortunate that it is on something so important rather than what toppings are best on a pizza.
dude give it a rest. if you honestly believe osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11, you need help.
im so tired of people taking this jim hoffman guy as jesus christ himself.
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you are in the vast minority, but believe what you want, its a free country
what an excellent counter response!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
just becuase one guy can make a website doesnt make it law. or proven fact. dont waste your time showing me his links. got it? good. and please leave your personal attacks on me out of this discussion. i waasnt talking to you
you have no opinion on those things? you think that was actually osama bin laden in that video? i guess he had a few celebratory big macs and forgot he was lefty that day. i'm just curious about your opinion since you're so convinced that it was "al qaeda" and only "al qaeda".
no arabs on the passenger lists.. odd, no?
and please continue your avoidance of actually listening to points before dismissing them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i was in the minority when i opposed the Iraq war as well. doesn't bother me. the fact that you eat the spoon fed version of events, along with the other zombies in this country, doesn't make you right.
oops i forgot. you only believe what your tv tells you.
I believe OBL and el qaeuda planned and carried out the attaks on my country.
so now you will tell me the 9/11 commission report is all lies and little jimmy hoffman is right. one guy. thats it. go live in your deranged world and I will live in mine. deal?
and you only believe what the great hoffman tells you. or didt you know your bible of a website was created by one person
must be a, lets say it togehter, CONSPIRACY
i honestly didn't even recognize the name jimmy hoffman. there are millions of very reputable people questioning 911, and producing evidence that contradicts the official story - scientists, university professors, ex-military, ex-government officials, etc. its not just this hoffman person and 3 or 4 people in the pj message pit..
and actually, yes, the 911 commission report is full of lies and ommissions. its a complete whitewash. i'd get into that, but you won't offer anything in the discussion. you'll just go back to your "osama did it, and i refuse to believe anything else" deal.
honestly, i don't even know who Jim Hoffman is. my evidence comes from a variety of sources.
if you want to know more about the individuals on the 9/11 commission, Michael Ruppert, a former LAPD detective, lays out a pretty good overview in his book "crossing the rubicon", as well as his website fromthewilderness.com.
must be... can you offer ANY explanation for that?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
your buddy jimmy hoffman is the sole creator of the 911research site you continue to post.
millions of people huh? now that brings some comic relief to a serious discussion
and your right, osama did it
he is the sole creator of the site you have referenced many times. anything that goes on that site has to be approved by one person.
what's your point?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Here is a short list of some of the Governments, Scholars, Groups and others in the 9/11 Truth Movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_Movement#List_of_those_questioning
You can watch pretty well any one of the 9/11 truth movement videos available and see thousands of people demonstrating on the street for the movement.
my point is i'm not so easily convinced by one person wth an agenda. unlike you and your buddies
you seem to be convinced on the word of george bush and dick cheney. now if those aren't honest americans, who are?
thanks for posting. here is the first line of the entire page.....
"The collection of individuals, groups and researchers who disagree with the governmental and mainstream media and scientific community's account of the September 11, 2001 attacks have been self-described as the 9/11 Truth Movement. This movement is informal, decentralized and occasionally fractious"
thanks but no thanks
It's not just one person. But yes, one person can run a website.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
same thing the english government would have said about the revolutionaries a couple of hundred years ago...
movements have to start somewhere.
gettin desperate now...
go get em guys.
just about everything on that site is documented. its not like this guy is sitting home dreaming up baseless outrageous stories.. he backs it all up. can you do that for your arguments?
Yes, it proves it's not all Jim Hoffman but many individuals with different opinions and perspectives...the way people are supposed to be. People, at least ones that dislike the herd, think differently and don't only value one perspective as the whole truth for all.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde