9/11 video question

jsand

jlew24asu wrote:

there is no scientific experiment you can do with matches and a pencil to prove to me that the government went in with laser gun and cut the building down because Israel thought the buildings were too high.

or whatever wacky conspiracy you have.

I can prove that the JFK assassination was an inside job - my experiment used a Hot Wheels car, a water pistol, GI Joe figures, and legos.

Ahnimus

jsand wrote:

I can prove that the JFK assassination was an inside job - my experiment used a Hot Wheels car, a water pistol, GI Joe figures, and legos.

Both of you are antogonists and nothing more. Why don't you work on better arguements? People might respect your opinion more if you didn't take a childish approach to debate.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Both of you are antogonists and nothing more. Why don't you work on better arguements? People might respect your opinion more if you didn't take a childish approach to debate.

dude what are we debating? if "someone" on the inside purposely cut the beams to brng down the towers?

lets agree to disagree that I think the towers came down from the airplanes that smashed into them

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

dude what are we debating? if "someone" on the inside purposely cut the beams to brng down the towers?

lets agree to disagree that I think the towers came down from the airplanes that smashed into them

If that's all you have to say about it then I guess you can just stop posting, right?

You've said your piece already and I think we all know where you stand. We can still talk about it and hopefully with out your juvenile bashing of people.

momofglynn

jsand wrote:

I can prove that the JFK assassination was an inside job - my experiment used a Hot Wheels car, a water pistol, GI Joe figures, and legos.

this is the best answer I have ever seen. You made my night crew laugh out loud! Thanks.

My only 2 cents on this....how could you actually know how the towers should had fallen or should had collapsed. The planes took off from Boston with a full tank of fuel to fly to California, nonstop. That's a lot of fuel. I am very much aware my government is not the best or the most honest. That has already been proven with G.W.Bush in office but c'mon... the towers collapsed due to the extreme amount of heat. I am not a specialist, I am a small speck on this planet.

Ahnimus

momofglynn wrote:

this is the best answer I have ever seen. You made my night crew laugh out loud! Thanks.

My only 2 cents on this....how could you actually know how the towers should had fallen or should had collapsed. The planes took off from Boston with a full tank of fuel to fly to California, nonstop. That's a lot of fuel. I am very much aware my government is not the best or the most honest. That has already been proven with G.W.Bush in office but c'mon... the towers collapsed due to the extreme amount of heat. I am not a specialist, I am a small speck on this planet.

All you have to do is read what NIST did and found http://wtc.nist.gov/

They didn't use fucking lego and a water pistol. When are you people going to grow up.

They actually constructed a mock room from the WTC towers and set it on fire. They also generated a flame at the maximum possible heat that could have been in the WTC towers and put a replica steel truss suspended on top of it. The damn thing didn't melt, it didn't even weaken as has been suggested in the official report.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

If that's all you have to say about it then I guess you can just stop posting, right?

You've said your piece already and I think we all know where you stand. We can still talk about it and hopefully with out your juvenile bashing of people.

If I insulted you I apologize. Here is my theory. Plane hit the buiding, lets not argue that. inpact of the planes caused the buildings to collapse.

and yours?

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

If I insulted you I apologize. Here is my theory. Plane hit the buiding, lets not argue that. inpact of the planes caused the buildings to collapse.

and yours?

I'm not a big fan of debating the physical evidence, but here goes...

Planes hit the buildings and caused some damage to the upper floors.

The jet fuel exploded in a ball of fire igniting furniture and paper, etc..

A little later the lobby and basement levels exploded and I don't think it was from Jet fuel trickling down the elevator shaft.

The 42 center columns and elevator shafts disintigrated and I doubt that was caused by the pancaking of the floor pans or the weakening of the trusses.

What did it look like at face value? A bomb went off in the building disintigrating it. What really happened? That's yet to be discovered.

If you actually read the official reports they are full of bullshit. They are totally bogus. NIST reported a sulfur attack on the steel but couldn't determine the source of the sulfur and stated that further investigation was required, because sulfur significantly weakens steel and would explain how this happened. Was an investigation into the sulfur conducted? No.

sonicreducer

something i've learnd about 9/11: you can't make assumptions. you have to watch the videos and do the research. read the reports. find out which is credible. so if you say there is now way it's possible, then you don't know what you're talking about. you don't have to be a structural engineer to be able to read. all you need is time, lots of it. if you read, it is undeniable that there are things ommited from the official reports. there are so many questions that need to be answered.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm not a big fan of debating the physical evidence, but here goes...

Planes hit the buildings and caused some damage to the upper floors.

The jet fuel exploded in a ball of fire igniting furniture and paper, etc..

A little later the lobby and basement levels exploded and I don't think it was from Jet fuel trickling down the elevator shaft.

The 42 center columns and elevator shafts disintigrated and I doubt that was caused by the pancaking of the floor pans or the weakening of the trusses.

What did it look like at face value? A bomb went off in the building disintigrating it. What really happened? That's yet to be discovered.

If you actually read the official reports they are full of bullshit. They are totally bogus. NIST reported a sulfur attack on the steel but couldn't determine the source of the sulfur and stated that further investigation was required, because sulfur significantly weakens steel and would explain how this happened. Was an investigation into the sulfur conducted? No.

Do I think there were bombs planted throughout the building and basement? no
why did the towers fall so fast? honestly, I dont know


here is some information regarding the theory I accept.
http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aawtc-collapse.htm

jeffbr

Eva7 wrote:

http://www.loosechange911.com/

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

Do I think there were bombs planted throughout the building and basement? no
why did the towers fall so fast? honestly, I dont know


here is some information regarding the theory I accept.
http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aawtc-collapse.htm

Ok, I know that sounds really believable and all, but this is word trickery. As an example the following statement is false

"After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high."

Notice it states "hollow core" as if 42 3" steel columns are the same consistency of matter as air.

Now watch this 1983 documentary film on the construction of the WTC and notice the solid core.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4334991174539603857&q=world+trade+center+construction

jlew24asu

jeffbr wrote:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

that is the best page in the universe. good stuff thanks

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, I know that sounds really believable and all, but this is word trickery. As an example the following statement is false

"After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high."

Notice it states "hollow core" as if 42 3" steel columns are the same consistency of matter as air.

Now watch this 1983 documentary film on the construction of the WTC and notice the solid core.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4334991174539603857&q=world+trade+center+construction

nah im done dude. lets agree to disagree. later

bootlegger10

DPrival78 wrote:

that seems to be a common reasoning that those who buy the official story have.

well done

It is YOUR job to prove the government was involved, not ours to prove it wasn't. Until you prove it by implicating ONE person with EVIDENCE, then we'll continue to laugh at you.

Bringing down two of the tallest buildings in the world. Bringing down 4 planes. NOT ONE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL HAS BEEN EVEN REMOTELY TIED TO THE ATTACKS. There are a lot of people to keep quiet.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

nah im done dude. lets agree to disagree. later

lol

We can agree to disagree at any point.

I've read and watched absolutely everything I could find about 9/11 to understand what exactly happened and I am still confused. I don't know how you can accept the official story so easily. Especially when people that were there don't get it, 9/11 commissioners have come out and said their report was bullshit. FBI, CIA, MI5, MI6 and even Republicans have come out about the bullshit official story. But you eat it up, that baffles me.

I've even read that bullshit page jeffbr constantly posts on this forum. It's typical for someone of his political calibration. It's in the style of people like Bill O'Reilly and Anne Coulter. Ignore the facts and just talk shit about alternative views. It's logical arguements aren't even logical, they are illogical. For example, a conspiracy can not exist because Corey Rowe is still alive. That's bullshit logic, because the 9/11 truth movement is so big they couldn't kill everyone, and killing someone like Rowe would only add fuel to the movement.

Personally I think Corey Rowe and that other guy (his name has slipped my mind) did damage to the alternative views, most of their claims are circumstantial and far-out. They put together a slick video, but there isn't much in it that I find a reasonable interpretation of the events and evidence surrounding them. A plane hit the pentagon, I don't dispute that, and they think it's a cruise missile, because they are conspiracy nuts. Some of us with alternative views aren't nuts. I don't question the moon landing and JFK well, that's debatable. I'm not sure what to believe there. The bullets could have followed those paths, unlikely, but it could happen. What concerns me about JFK and 9/11 isn't the physical evidence.

Ahnimus

bootlegger10 wrote:

It is YOUR job to prove the government was involved, not ours to prove it wasn't. Until you prove it by implicating ONE person with EVIDENCE, then we'll continue to laugh at you.

Bringing down two of the tallest buildings in the world. Bringing down 4 planes. NOT ONE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL HAS BEEN EVEN REMOTELY TIED TO THE ATTACKS. There are a lot of people to keep quiet.

That's false actually.

August 6, 2001 the entire bush administration received an urgent memo titled "Osama determined to attack inside the U.S." and they did nothing about it. Further more they stated after 9/11 that they couldn't imagine planes being flown into buildings. However they had received prior memos stating that Bin Laden intended to fly planes into buildings. On top of that members of Bush's administration had planned to fly planes into buildings as a pretext for war with Cuba when they were in office with George H.W. Bush. A CIA/FBI agent (can't remember which one) had infiltrated an Al-Qaeda cell inside the United States and was told the World Trade Center towers were coming down. The agent reported this to his superiors prior to 9/11.

There is a lot more incriminating evidence out there if you look for it.

jeffbr

Ahnimus wrote:

I've even read that bullshit page jeffbr constantly posts on this forum. It's typical for someone of his political calibration. It's in the style of people like Bill O'Reilly and Anne Coulter. Ignore the facts and just talk shit about alternative views.

My "political calibration" is nowhere near O'Reilly or Coulter. I have been critical of Coulter on this board. And I only post the link to that "bullshit page" when someone else posts a link to that bullshit "Loose Change" fiction.

And please don't go on about your facts or "alternative views." You are the king of bizarre internet theories on every topic from 9/11 to homosexuality. You grab a kernel of something on a random website and build an elaborate theory around it. Do you ever wonder why you don't have more board support for your theories?

Echoes

man guys

I hate agreeing with those J guys, but you inside job people sound like morons

hsewif

sonicreducer wrote:

something i've learnd about 9/11: you can't make assumptions. you have to watch the videos and do the research. read the reports. find out which is credible. so if you say there is now way it's possible, then you don't know what you're talking about. you don't have to be a structural engineer to be able to read. all you need is time, lots of it. if you read, it is undeniable that there are things ommited from the official reports. there are so many questions that need to be answered.

read which reports?

there are too many websites out there that do a really good job of twisting facts around and leaving out important information.

One particular thing as an example....Silverstein. There are literally hundreds of webpages out there that condemn him and basically claim that he knew the towers were coming down because he purchased insurance specifically for terrorist attacks.

If you bought buildings that were *officially* hit by terrorists in 1993, why would you NOT purchase insurance against terrorist attacks? why is it such a bad thing that he did this???

It sickens me that none of these websites mention the fact that the guy has been PAYING 10 million dollars in rent to the Port Authority each and every month since 9/11/01.

It's just really frustrating. If you keep looking at piles of shit long enough, everything eventually stinks.