August 6, 2001 the entire bush administration received an urgent memo titled "Osama determined to attack inside the U.S." and they did nothing about it. Further more they stated after 9/11 that they couldn't imagine planes being flown into buildings. However they had received prior memos stating that Bin Laden intended to fly planes into buildings. On top of that members of Bush's administration had planned to fly planes into buildings as a pretext for war with Cuba when they were in office with George H.W. Bush. A CIA/FBI agent (can't remember which one) had infiltrated an Al-Qaeda cell inside the United States and was told the World Trade Center towers were coming down. The agent reported this to his superiors prior to 9/11.
There is a lot more incriminating evidence out there if you look for it.
You have only proved that they didn't take the threat seriously. Not that they were responsible for the attacks. Didn't that Cuba thing happen in 1962? Your facts are a few decades off.
Please provide evidence that links people to actions, and not people to theories.
You have only proved that they didn't take the threat seriously. Not that they were responsible for the attacks. Didn't that Cuba thing happen in 1962? Your facts are a few decades off.
Please provide evidence that links people to actions, and not people to theories.
Ok, well let me clarify something for you. Because my view has changed drastically since I first started investigating. Actually, let me give you a quick synopsis of the progressiveness of my research.
Let's see it was actually about 9 months ago a friend of mine was talking about this movie called "Loose Change". He said it was an amazing film, but didn't mention what exactly it was about. I eventually watched the film, though he was trying to convince my brother who hasn't seen it to this day, he's only read the popular mechanics article on it. After watching Loose Change I was totally confused, I hadn't really questioned the physics of 9/11 and realized there was a lot I didn't know about the politics of it. There is so much crammed into that movie I couldn't remember it all. But I was intrigued.
So, I started researching my typical google search would be "9/11 site:.gov" to make sure I only received hits to government sites like wtc.nist.gov. I came across things like PNAC and didn't fully unterstand it at the time. I found EPA results for NYC air content post-911 and was shocked at the results, high levels of lead and other toxic stuff. I read through the NIST reports and the 9/11 commission report, but I was still confused. It just didn't make any sense.
Eventually I stumbled across alternative views similar to Loose Change but vastly different in their approach. One was by a government dude from somewhere like Norway, his name was Stefan Grossmanurl=http://www.gallerize.com/911_Home.htm]1[/url. He claimed the US used some kind of holographic camoflauge to project jet-liners onto missiles, to disguise them. Those hit the WTC and the Pentagon. I found some evidence of experimental projects in the U.S. military about some kind of camoflauge projector aircraft, but it seemed highly experimental in theory only. He also claimed that a Fourth-Generation Nuke was used in the WTC towers. A fourth generation nuclear bomb uses elements less powerful and radioactive than Uranium 232, most commonly they use Tritium. This there is some evidence for, the EPA report showed Tritium in the air of NYC post 9/11 and also high amounts of Lead and Iodine which is also indicative of a nuclear event. The website whitehouse.gov explained this as the Exit Signs in the WTC towers, signs and handrailings on the planes, laser sights from a weapons cache in the buildings and Gaseous Tritium Watches that run roughly $500 USD. With some serious scrutiny and alternate sources of information I accepted the whitehouse.gov explanation of Tritium. The camoflauge thing, well, there were supposedly little pods that were causing the projection and photo evidence is provided on Grossman's site. However, I could not locate photos from any other source that contained these same pods so I discredited it. Also the pods thing is another highly theoretical military project. The other thing was Grossman made a video called "911 Osama is Innocent" that was interesting, but he took it offline because he said quote "The DVD is being revamped (the end is no longer up to par)." in an email to me. Just like Loose Change he had to edit it after release, I'm guessing because of new contradictory evidence. I've yet to see his video online.
So now I came to see dozens of documentary videos on google. All of them with some incredibly good arguements that could or could not be disproven by other research I have found. I discovered Alex Jones and his documentaries, a couple of DVDs I purchased and subscribed to PrisonPlanet.tv to support his cause. However, I do not take Alex's view of things in it's entirety. Truth be told, there is very little I agree with him on. I use him as a source of information because he and his team have a knack for finding news articles and getting footage. By this point I'm thinking 9/11 was totally an inside job, I thought that Al-Qaeda hijackers flew the planes, but Bush and his gang demolished the building and covered it up. That got me looking more into the politics pre, post and at the time of 9/11. The most incredible thing about 9/11 is how the administration handled it. Pre 9/11 the administration did absolutely nothing to stop Bin Laden for 9 months even with warnings from Richard Clarke and other countries even. An anti-terrorist inititative was already in place specifically designed to take down Bin Laden. The Bush administration did nothing with it. At the time of 9/11 Bush did absolutely nothing still, until all the attacks were over. Post 9/11 the Administration pointed the finger at Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, old allies. A war ensued overseas and at home. Bills were passed to restrict life inside the United States of America in the name of National Security. Then the Administration conjured all this evidence to incriminate Saddam which later proved to be "bad intelligence". The administration moved the majority of it's focus to Iraq, and coincidentally the plan was there pre 9/11. Need I mention they repeatedly let Bin Laden escape, untill finally he was safe in Pakistan. They are still beating the Terrorism drum on the media and it's been half a decade. The media loves it, big stories and sensationalism, if the war ended it'd be boring news.
So you see, I've read the official stories and the alternate theories. I've read the popular mechanics articles, jeffbr's favourite link, NIST report, 9/11 Commission report, I've seen every 9/11 documentary that exists, I've studied and still working on Muslim religion and history in the middle-east. I honestly don't know any way else to get a better understanding than what I have done. I've studied the history of Bush and his administration, I had to study Skull and Bones for a few months just to learn Bush's history and what it entails. Fuck, there is just so much information that is available that I have gone through. Why is it so difficult to accept that Bush might have had a hand in the attacks, or even allowed it to happen for his own selfish goals, or maybe Bush was just a puppet to Cheney and Rumsfeld. I'm not entirely sure what has happened and why, but I'm not satisfied with any of the theories official or alternative. It's just too fucked up to me to think it was a series of random coincidence that all this played out. The bible doomsayers are having a fucking riot with this and half the world is totally mindless and brainwashed by crap like Fox news.
Let's face it, it's beyond most of us to go outside the research that's already been done. I don't have a bunch of money to throw into recreating the events. A chunk of steel and a butane torch are as close as I'm going to get. I don't have the thousands of dollars of software required to simulate the physics of the WTC buildings or the pentagon. I just don't buy how NIST altered the facts to make the simulations work and lab experiments failed and they couldn't find a source for the sulfur. I don't like how the 9/11 Commission was structured and one of it's commissioners stated that it was corrupt. I don't like how the Bush Administration constantly blocked evidence and testimony, I don't like their political propaganda and gain from 9/11. I bet the fucking suicide hijackers cared more for American lives than the fucking Bush administration. That's the only thing that is clear about 9/11. That Administration is seriously whacko.
Well that's enough for now.
Salaam,
Ahnimus
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I bet the fucking suicide hijackers cared more for American lives than the fucking Bush administration. That's the only thing that is clear about 9/11.
I've read and watched absolutely everything I could find about 9/11 to understand what exactly happened and I am still confused. I don't know how you can accept the official story so easily. Especially when people that were there don't get it, 9/11 commissioners have come out and said their report was bullshit. FBI, CIA, MI5, MI6 and even Republicans have come out about the bullshit official story. But you eat it up, that baffles me.
I've even read that bullshit page jeffbr constantly posts on this forum. It's typical for someone of his political calibration. It's in the style of people like Bill O'Reilly and Anne Coulter. Ignore the facts and just talk shit about alternative views. It's logical arguements aren't even logical, they are illogical. For example, a conspiracy can not exist because Corey Rowe is still alive. That's bullshit logic, because the 9/11 truth movement is so big they couldn't kill everyone, and killing someone like Rowe would only add fuel to the movement.
Personally I think Corey Rowe and that other guy (his name has slipped my mind) did damage to the alternative views, most of their claims are circumstantial and far-out. They put together a slick video, but there isn't much in it that I find a reasonable interpretation of the events and evidence surrounding them. A plane hit the pentagon, I don't dispute that, and they think it's a cruise missile, because they are conspiracy nuts. Some of us with alternative views aren't nuts. I don't question the moon landing and JFK well, that's debatable. I'm not sure what to believe there. The bullets could have followed those paths, unlikely, but it could happen. What concerns me about JFK and 9/11 isn't the physical evidence.
I don't "eat up" the official report. I choose to believe the 9/11 commission report as well as other sources, some of which I posted. will I leave it as possible? sure anything is possible.
based on your evidence, you want me to believe the towers came down with a controlled demoltion throughout 2 110 story buildings. I do not. like I said we disagree, nothing wrong with that.
lets keep in mind that an event like this has never happened before. There is no script on exactly how these buildings "should" have come down. In my opinion, thats impossible. lets build 2 exact towers and run a controlled experiment to see what happens.
I don't "eat up" the official report. I choose to believe the 9/11 commission report as well as other sources, some of which I posted. will I leave it as possible? sure anything is possible.
based on your evidence, you want me to believe the towers came down with a controlled demoltion throughout 2 110 story buildings. I do not. like I said we disagree, nothing wrong with that.
lets keep in mind that an event like this has never happened before. There is no script on exactly how these buildings "should" have come down. In my opinion, thats impossible. lets build 2 exact towers and run a controlled experiment to see what happens.
No where in Ahnimus' stament on the reserch he has carried out does he say that he wants you to believe the towers came down via controlled demolition.
Ahnimus, like myself and a lot of others have spent time trying to piece together what really happened.
I would like to know if jsand and jlew24asu have read the operation northwoods files? Because if they were capable of thinking about these things then why on earth would they not be now?
And i am in no way saying that that is what has happened, But i just wonder why you think it so impossible?
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
No where in Ahnimus' stament on the reserch he has carried out does he say that he wants you to believe the towers came down via controlled demolition.
Ahnimus, like myself and a lot of others have spent time trying to piece together what really happened.
I would like to know if jsand and jlew24asu have read the operation northwoods files? Because if they were capable of thinking about these things then why on earth would they not be now?
And i am in no way saying that that is what has happened, But i just wonder why you think it so impossible?
the research Ahnimus put forward suggested the towers came down in a controlled, delibrate demolition.
yea I read the northwood files on my way in to work this morning. it really made me think.....about nothing that has to do with 9/11.
Did anyone watch the documentary about the people that survived the fall of one of the towers? Miracle In Stairwell 8 or something like that....?
Those people never mentioned hearing/feeling/smelling bomb blasts. If they did mention it during their interviews and it was later edited out, wouldn't they be screaming and pointing fingers?
Did anyone watch the documentary about the people that survived the fall of one of the towers? Miracle In Stairwell 8 or something like that....?
Those people never mentioned hearing/feeling/smelling bomb blasts. If they did mention it during their interviews and it was later edited out, wouldn't they be screaming and pointing fingers?
Maybe they are all paid actors?
Hmm but other people ie "firefighters" reported hearing sound's that sounded like bombs going off, so what is your point?
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
One particular thing as an example....Silverstein. There are literally hundreds of webpages out there that condemn him and basically claim that he knew the towers were coming down because he purchased insurance specifically for terrorist attacks.
If you bought buildings that were *officially* hit by terrorists in 1993, why would you NOT purchase insurance against terrorist attacks? why is it such a bad thing that he did this???
It sickens me that none of these websites mention the fact that the guy has been PAYING 10 million dollars in rent to the Port Authority each and every month since 9/11/01.
It's just really frustrating. If you keep looking at piles of shit long enough, everything eventually stinks.
this makes sense. the only beef i know about with silverstein is that he said he gave the order to 'pull it'. if you watch the video, IMO, he is NOT talking about firefighters. it seems to me he would have said, "we decided to pull the firefighters out of there". what he did say is, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." but that is just my opinion. i won't deny that this statement could have been misconstrued, i just don't think it was. if you want to say building 7 sustained a lot of damage from the fires, then you need to look at some pictures of 3, 4, 5, & 6.
Hmm but other people ie "firefighters" reported hearing sound's that sounded like bombs going off, so what is your point?
why didn't people that were physically inside the building report hearing it? and if there were enough explosives planted in the building to bring it down...why were their lives spared? shouldn't they have been blown to bits and pieces?
why didn't people that were physically inside the building report hearing it? and if there were enough explosives planted in the building to bring it down...why were their lives spared? shouldn't they have been blown to bits and pieces?
controlled demolitions don't blow up the building, they blow the main structures holding it up making the building come down on it'self keeping the debris field smaller. have you ever seen a house on fire collapse? did it fall straight down at almost freefall speed like wtc 1, 2 and 7<which was the furthest away of any wtc tower and was not hit by a plane> did?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
why didn't people that were physically inside the building report hearing it? and if there were enough explosives planted in the building to bring it down...why were their lives spared? shouldn't they have been blown to bits and pieces?
Ok so the firefighters reported hearing them from outside i see. I was under the impression that firefighters did actually enter both towers, and that they heard explosions while inside the towers.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
why didn't people that were physically inside the building report hearing it? and if there were enough explosives planted in the building to bring it down...why were their lives spared? shouldn't they have been blown to bits and pieces?
Ok so the firefighters reported hearing them from outside i see. I was under the impression that firefighters did actually enter both towers, and that they heard explosions while inside the towers.
people inside did report what they thought to be bombs going off in the buidling.
since when is there a solid defintion of what a "bomb" sounds like. ever thing a floor collapsing on top of another one might sounds like a bomb? just maybe
since when is there a solid defintion of what a "bomb" sounds like. ever thing a floor collapsing on top of another one might sounds like a bomb? just maybe
maybe.. but people were hearing these things before the collapses
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
Any building that was not owned by Silverstein Properties strangely remained upright.
what??? That just isn't true!
Did Silverstein make an executive decision that day and blow up his badly injured building? Possibly. Why is he not admitting that today? I have no idea and that doesn't indicate guilt in planting explosives in the other buildings. Did he collect any insurance money for that particular building (NOT the Twin Towers)? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Everything I've read has said that he rec'd money for the 2 buildings only....towers 1 and 2.
Did he have anything to do with the twin towers falling? There's not enough evidence to support that theory.
maybe.. but people were hearing these things before the collapses
its 110 story building. trying to pin point when and where "bombs" were going off seems difficult. espically given the craziness of the situation. I'm not prepared to say bombs were stragically placed throughout the whole building and then set off in a controlled timely manner in order to bring the building down.
Carefully absorb the facts in the quoted newspaper articles and then what the author is insinuating. It's a shining example of reaching and stretching and it's shocking that people don't see it.
Even the opening is funny...
The 1975
World Trade Center Fire
The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.
i said read the facts man, and conveniently, that is true. only 1, 2, and 7 collapsed in practically the same fashion. 3, 4, 5, 6 did not collapse even though the fires were raging. is there a consistency with 3 buildings falling at free fall speed and silverstein being the leaser? yes,... should that raise suspicion? yes is it kind of weird that he said 'pull' in the manner he did? yes does 9/11 add up at all? no
there are a lot of deep pockets that got even deeper because of 9/11. there needs to be further investigation. i dont' know for sure what happened. but thank goodness for the internet.
How many of you guys actually believe that the United States Government actually had the towers demolished?
i believe that a select group of people in and out of our gvt could have made this happen. Its a theory, with about as many facts as the "official" theory being given to us.
it IS possible though, and if you accept that, then you can look at this objectively.
but if a group outside our government made it happen, then it is a terrorist attack, which is exactly what we thought it was to begin with.
dare i say that we didn't think anything...that we were told what to think and supplied evidence that bolstered what we were told to think. anyway, a terrorist attack is not what we were told to think it was; rather, we were told specifically to think it was a terrorist attack by islamic militants. the difference from this and what is being postulated by some in this thread is that one lays blame on a group known to desire absolute control of the world via a perverted form of islam...and the other lays blame on a group known to desire absolute control of the world through a perverted ideology called neoconservatism.
ds
And no one sings me lullabyes
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
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You have only proved that they didn't take the threat seriously. Not that they were responsible for the attacks. Didn't that Cuba thing happen in 1962? Your facts are a few decades off.
Please provide evidence that links people to actions, and not people to theories.
Ok, well let me clarify something for you. Because my view has changed drastically since I first started investigating. Actually, let me give you a quick synopsis of the progressiveness of my research.
Let's see it was actually about 9 months ago a friend of mine was talking about this movie called "Loose Change". He said it was an amazing film, but didn't mention what exactly it was about. I eventually watched the film, though he was trying to convince my brother who hasn't seen it to this day, he's only read the popular mechanics article on it. After watching Loose Change I was totally confused, I hadn't really questioned the physics of 9/11 and realized there was a lot I didn't know about the politics of it. There is so much crammed into that movie I couldn't remember it all. But I was intrigued.
So, I started researching my typical google search would be "9/11 site:.gov" to make sure I only received hits to government sites like wtc.nist.gov. I came across things like PNAC and didn't fully unterstand it at the time. I found EPA results for NYC air content post-911 and was shocked at the results, high levels of lead and other toxic stuff. I read through the NIST reports and the 9/11 commission report, but I was still confused. It just didn't make any sense.
Eventually I stumbled across alternative views similar to Loose Change but vastly different in their approach. One was by a government dude from somewhere like Norway, his name was Stefan Grossmanurl=http://www.gallerize.com/911_Home.htm]1[/url. He claimed the US used some kind of holographic camoflauge to project jet-liners onto missiles, to disguise them. Those hit the WTC and the Pentagon. I found some evidence of experimental projects in the U.S. military about some kind of camoflauge projector aircraft, but it seemed highly experimental in theory only. He also claimed that a Fourth-Generation Nuke was used in the WTC towers. A fourth generation nuclear bomb uses elements less powerful and radioactive than Uranium 232, most commonly they use Tritium. This there is some evidence for, the EPA report showed Tritium in the air of NYC post 9/11 and also high amounts of Lead and Iodine which is also indicative of a nuclear event. The website whitehouse.gov explained this as the Exit Signs in the WTC towers, signs and handrailings on the planes, laser sights from a weapons cache in the buildings and Gaseous Tritium Watches that run roughly $500 USD. With some serious scrutiny and alternate sources of information I accepted the whitehouse.gov explanation of Tritium. The camoflauge thing, well, there were supposedly little pods that were causing the projection and photo evidence is provided on Grossman's site. However, I could not locate photos from any other source that contained these same pods so I discredited it. Also the pods thing is another highly theoretical military project. The other thing was Grossman made a video called "911 Osama is Innocent" that was interesting, but he took it offline because he said quote "The DVD is being revamped (the end is no longer up to par)." in an email to me. Just like Loose Change he had to edit it after release, I'm guessing because of new contradictory evidence. I've yet to see his video online.
So now I came to see dozens of documentary videos on google. All of them with some incredibly good arguements that could or could not be disproven by other research I have found. I discovered Alex Jones and his documentaries, a couple of DVDs I purchased and subscribed to PrisonPlanet.tv to support his cause. However, I do not take Alex's view of things in it's entirety. Truth be told, there is very little I agree with him on. I use him as a source of information because he and his team have a knack for finding news articles and getting footage. By this point I'm thinking 9/11 was totally an inside job, I thought that Al-Qaeda hijackers flew the planes, but Bush and his gang demolished the building and covered it up. That got me looking more into the politics pre, post and at the time of 9/11. The most incredible thing about 9/11 is how the administration handled it. Pre 9/11 the administration did absolutely nothing to stop Bin Laden for 9 months even with warnings from Richard Clarke and other countries even. An anti-terrorist inititative was already in place specifically designed to take down Bin Laden. The Bush administration did nothing with it. At the time of 9/11 Bush did absolutely nothing still, until all the attacks were over. Post 9/11 the Administration pointed the finger at Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, old allies. A war ensued overseas and at home. Bills were passed to restrict life inside the United States of America in the name of National Security. Then the Administration conjured all this evidence to incriminate Saddam which later proved to be "bad intelligence". The administration moved the majority of it's focus to Iraq, and coincidentally the plan was there pre 9/11. Need I mention they repeatedly let Bin Laden escape, untill finally he was safe in Pakistan. They are still beating the Terrorism drum on the media and it's been half a decade. The media loves it, big stories and sensationalism, if the war ended it'd be boring news.
So you see, I've read the official stories and the alternate theories. I've read the popular mechanics articles, jeffbr's favourite link, NIST report, 9/11 Commission report, I've seen every 9/11 documentary that exists, I've studied and still working on Muslim religion and history in the middle-east. I honestly don't know any way else to get a better understanding than what I have done. I've studied the history of Bush and his administration, I had to study Skull and Bones for a few months just to learn Bush's history and what it entails. Fuck, there is just so much information that is available that I have gone through. Why is it so difficult to accept that Bush might have had a hand in the attacks, or even allowed it to happen for his own selfish goals, or maybe Bush was just a puppet to Cheney and Rumsfeld. I'm not entirely sure what has happened and why, but I'm not satisfied with any of the theories official or alternative. It's just too fucked up to me to think it was a series of random coincidence that all this played out. The bible doomsayers are having a fucking riot with this and half the world is totally mindless and brainwashed by crap like Fox news.
Let's face it, it's beyond most of us to go outside the research that's already been done. I don't have a bunch of money to throw into recreating the events. A chunk of steel and a butane torch are as close as I'm going to get. I don't have the thousands of dollars of software required to simulate the physics of the WTC buildings or the pentagon. I just don't buy how NIST altered the facts to make the simulations work and lab experiments failed and they couldn't find a source for the sulfur. I don't like how the 9/11 Commission was structured and one of it's commissioners stated that it was corrupt. I don't like how the Bush Administration constantly blocked evidence and testimony, I don't like their political propaganda and gain from 9/11. I bet the fucking suicide hijackers cared more for American lives than the fucking Bush administration. That's the only thing that is clear about 9/11. That Administration is seriously whacko.
Well that's enough for now.
Salaam,
Ahnimus
This is deranged.
I don't "eat up" the official report. I choose to believe the 9/11 commission report as well as other sources, some of which I posted. will I leave it as possible? sure anything is possible.
based on your evidence, you want me to believe the towers came down with a controlled demoltion throughout 2 110 story buildings. I do not. like I said we disagree, nothing wrong with that.
lets keep in mind that an event like this has never happened before. There is no script on exactly how these buildings "should" have come down. In my opinion, thats impossible. lets build 2 exact towers and run a controlled experiment to see what happens.
No where in Ahnimus' stament on the reserch he has carried out does he say that he wants you to believe the towers came down via controlled demolition.
Ahnimus, like myself and a lot of others have spent time trying to piece together what really happened.
I would like to know if jsand and jlew24asu have read the operation northwoods files? Because if they were capable of thinking about these things then why on earth would they not be now?
And i am in no way saying that that is what has happened, But i just wonder why you think it so impossible?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
the research Ahnimus put forward suggested the towers came down in a controlled, delibrate demolition.
yea I read the northwood files on my way in to work this morning. it really made me think.....about nothing that has to do with 9/11.
do me a favor.....nevermind
Those people never mentioned hearing/feeling/smelling bomb blasts. If they did mention it during their interviews and it was later edited out, wouldn't they be screaming and pointing fingers?
Maybe they are all paid actors?
Hmm but other people ie "firefighters" reported hearing sound's that sounded like bombs going off, so what is your point?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
the NIST report and the 9/11 commission
this is a really good site. http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html pretty much everything you need is here.
so do the official reports. just look at the facts and what was left out. research it, then find the questions that still need to be answered.
this makes sense. the only beef i know about with silverstein is that he said he gave the order to 'pull it'. if you watch the video, IMO, he is NOT talking about firefighters. it seems to me he would have said, "we decided to pull the firefighters out of there". what he did say is, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." but that is just my opinion. i won't deny that this statement could have been misconstrued, i just don't think it was. if you want to say building 7 sustained a lot of damage from the fires, then you need to look at some pictures of 3, 4, 5, & 6.
read this,... http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html
this one a little more harsh, but still good,...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
~Ron Burgundy
why didn't people that were physically inside the building report hearing it? and if there were enough explosives planted in the building to bring it down...why were their lives spared? shouldn't they have been blown to bits and pieces?
controlled demolitions don't blow up the building, they blow the main structures holding it up making the building come down on it'self keeping the debris field smaller. have you ever seen a house on fire collapse? did it fall straight down at almost freefall speed like wtc 1, 2 and 7<which was the furthest away of any wtc tower and was not hit by a plane> did?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Ok so the firefighters reported hearing them from outside i see. I was under the impression that firefighters did actually enter both towers, and that they heard explosions while inside the towers.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
As you said, they were all paid actors!
people inside did report what they thought to be bombs going off in the buidling.
look here for some of the accounts: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html
since when is there a solid defintion of what a "bomb" sounds like. ever thing a floor collapsing on top of another one might sounds like a bomb? just maybe
maybe.. but people were hearing these things before the collapses
Here's another example of little untrue sentences that annoy me:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswers.htm
Any building that was not owned by Silverstein Properties strangely remained upright.
what??? That just isn't true!
Did Silverstein make an executive decision that day and blow up his badly injured building? Possibly. Why is he not admitting that today? I have no idea and that doesn't indicate guilt in planting explosives in the other buildings. Did he collect any insurance money for that particular building (NOT the Twin Towers)? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Everything I've read has said that he rec'd money for the 2 buildings only....towers 1 and 2.
Did he have anything to do with the twin towers falling? There's not enough evidence to support that theory.
its 110 story building. trying to pin point when and where "bombs" were going off seems difficult. espically given the craziness of the situation. I'm not prepared to say bombs were stragically placed throughout the whole building and then set off in a controlled timely manner in order to bring the building down.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_1975_fire.html
Carefully absorb the facts in the quoted newspaper articles and then what the author is insinuating. It's a shining example of reaching and stretching and it's shocking that people don't see it.
Even the opening is funny...
World Trade Center Fire
The February 13, 1975 North Tower Fire has been carefully hidden from you. Here are a few reports concerning it.
ooooo-carefully hidden from us....
there are a lot of deep pockets that got even deeper because of 9/11. there needs to be further investigation. i dont' know for sure what happened. but thank goodness for the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein
it says total 7.1 billion. ill have to research for the specifics. i have to go to class now though.
~Ron Burgundy
it wasn't the US Govt...it was a shadow govt. a conspiracy, wrapped within a plot, hiding in plain sight... http://www.newamericancentury.org/
ds
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
Isn't 1 too many?
i believe it was one believer. made sense to me.
ds
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
i believe that a select group of people in and out of our gvt could have made this happen. Its a theory, with about as many facts as the "official" theory being given to us.
it IS possible though, and if you accept that, then you can look at this objectively.
dare i say that we didn't think anything...that we were told what to think and supplied evidence that bolstered what we were told to think. anyway, a terrorist attack is not what we were told to think it was; rather, we were told specifically to think it was a terrorist attack by islamic militants. the difference from this and what is being postulated by some in this thread is that one lays blame on a group known to desire absolute control of the world via a perverted form of islam...and the other lays blame on a group known to desire absolute control of the world through a perverted ideology called neoconservatism.
ds
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....