9/11 video question

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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    jlew24asu wrote:
    fair enough. what offends me, and not you, is people believing the US had something to do with those terrible events.

    why do you think that it is so impossible that the govt was in on it?
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ok, everyone knows a blue flame is hotter than red, right?

    Shit I hope you all know that.

    Anyway, if you turn on a gas stove the flame is nice and blue and guess what? It doesn't melt your steel stove. Pretty cool eh?

    Now explain how a red flame melts a 3" steel beam in a building? Or even weakens it for that matter.

    I'm not saying it's not possible, just seems highly unlikely.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DPrival78 wrote:
    why do you think that it is so impossible that the govt was in on it?


    are you serious. I really have to answer this?
  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    jlew24asu wrote:
    are you serious. I really have to answer this?


    i'm just curious. is it because you think that its above our government to do such a thing, or is it based more on the evidence you've seen and the official reports?
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DPrival78 wrote:
    i'm just curious. is it because you think that its above our government to do such a thing, or is it based more on the evidence you've seen and the official reports?


    both. and then some. now please. dont reply to me. you will only be ignored
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    both. and then some. now please. dont reply to me. you will only be ignored

    lol.

    If I had a video camera, I'd get a big chunk of structural steel and a butane lighter with a blue flame and show you all a physics lesson.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    jlew24asu wrote:
    both. and then some. now please. dont reply to me. you will only be ignored

    that seems to be a common reasoning that those who buy the official story have.

    well done
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    lol.

    If I had a video camera, I'd get a big chunk of structural steel and a butane lighter with a blue flame and show you all a physics lesson.

    "Junk science" at its finest. Why are you so cocky about a subject that you clearly know nothing about?
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    jsand wrote:
    I can't - I'm not a structural engineer, and neither are you. Is that the basis of your conspiracy theory - that the steel didn't look how you thought it would?

    This is a great post.
    I don't look down on questioning authority, but don't make accusations when you don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what to believe but I hate when people repeat what they saw in one of these videos like it's their own opinion.
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    the other thread

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=215809
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jsand wrote:
    "Junk science" at its finest. Why are you so cocky about a subject that you clearly know nothing about?

    It's not junk science. I've been looking all over the internet for a video of fire melting steel and I can't find it. They seem to use high voltage electricity to melt it in the industry.

    Mind you, I have found literally dozens of videos of steel buildings on fire and none of them collapse.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DPrival78 wrote:
    that seems to be a common reasoning that those who buy the official story have.

    well done


    official story? I dont need an official story to tell me my goverment WASNT in on the attacks on 9/11. I came up with that all on my own.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not junk science. I've been looking all over the internet for a video of fire melting steel and I can't find it. They seem to use high voltage electricity to melt it in the industry.

    Mind you, I have found literally dozens of videos of steel buildings on fire and none of them collapse.


    again, you have no idea what your talking about.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Mind you, I have found literally dozens of videos of steel buildings on fire and none of them collapse.

    Have you found dozens of videos of steel buildings with the identical structure of the twin towers that were hit by commercial airlines going at the exact same rate of speed and with the exact same amount of fuel?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jsand wrote:
    Have you found dozens of videos of steel buildings with the identical structure of the twin towers that were hit by commercial airlines going at the exact same rate of speed and with the exact same amount of fuel?


    of course, didnt he tell you he was an expert?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, you have no idea what your talking about.

    I know exactly what I am talking about. Do you have anything else to add? Perhaps you are a physicist or just get your kicks from talking shit.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I know exactly what I am talking about. Do you have anything else to add? Perhaps you are a physicist or just get your kicks from talking shit.

    Ummm...a structural engineer would be the best expert on this one.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jsand wrote:
    Have you found dozens of videos of steel buildings with the identical structure of the twin towers that were hit by commercial airlines going at the exact same rate of speed and with the exact same amount of fuel?

    That's not how physics works. That's not even how NIST got their conclusion. They got it by changing the facts.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I know exactly what I am talking about. Do you have anything else to add? Perhaps you are a physicist or just get your kicks from talking shit.


    there is no scientific experiment you can do with matches and a pencil to prove to me that the government went in with laser gun and cut the building down because Israel thought the buildings were too high.

    or whatever wacky conspiracy you have.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    there is no scientific experiment you can do with matches and a pencil to prove to me that the government went in with laser gun and cut the building down because Israel thought the buildings were too high.

    or whatever wacky conspiracy you have.

    I don't see what Israel has to do with it. You must be an Israeli to make that assumption.

    The point is all of NIST's findings were based on assumption and changing the facts. Their actual experiments proved to be false.

    "Based on preliminary assumptions and analysis, mathematical models have been used to
    estimate the behavior of the fires in the twin towers of the World Trade Center (WTC) on
    September 11, 2001. The hijacked-plane collision with each tower produced significant
    structural damage, generated a spectacular external fireball, and started burning within the
    tower. The fuel consumed by the fireball was lost as an ignition source, but produced a
    pressure pulse that broke windows and changed the ventilation for the fires. The subsequent
    fire in each tower generated a quasi-steady, wind-blown smoke plume. The fire and smoke
    behavior were simulated using the Fire Dynamics Simulator (FDS). Comparison of the
    observed plume trajectory with the simulated one allowed us to estimate that the rate of
    energy supplied by the fire to the plume was of the order of magnitude of a gigawatt (GW).
    The rate of energy supplied to the plume, plus the energy-loss rate, determine the total heat
    release rate (HRR), the most important single parameter for each tower fire. Two bounding
    scenarios for the interior damage and fuel distributions were assumed for the north tower.
    For each scenario, the simulated visible fire and smoke behavior outside the tower were
    compared with the photographic and video records to determine which scenario seemed
    more appropriate. The simulations for the two scenarios also provided estimates of the
    likely thermal environment within each tower."

    http://wtc.nist.gov/
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