9/11 video question

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

i don't know, ask the people of New Orleans.

also, your taking a very narrow view of it. its not that they wanted innocent americans dead. it was the means to an end. the only way to get support for the iraq war. "collateral damage" to use their antiquated terms.

ok I see. so to jusify going into Iraq, they (the administration) decided to attack america with 4 767 jets? and blow up WTC in a controlled demolition

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

wanted to blow a shuttle up. it was a hair from happening. had one person not blown the whistle, it would have happened.

and yes, i am amazed. you were probably one of those that are amazed that we weren't greeted as liberators too. and amazed there were no wmd. and amazed that our troops used white phosphorous on civilians in Fallujah. etc etc etc.

who about you stay on topic instead of assuming things about me that you have no idea about. ok, good.

jlew24asu

just tell me exactly your theory. lay it all out so I can understand

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

ok I see. so to jusify going into Iraq, they (the administration) decided to attack america with 4 767 jets? and blow up WTC in a controlled demolition

well, they barely had support for the Iraq war WITH 9/11, so imagine without it. Iraq would have never happened. Given that we know the major players in the adminstration wanted a war with Iraq since 1998, it is really that hard for you to fathom this possibility?

if you stop yourself from thinking this was possible, then i have no reason to think you would look at the facts objectively. you're stuck on thinking that select people in our government could either not have pulled this off, or wouldn't pull this off.

check out the link earlier in this thread for PNAC, and then tell me this isn;t a possibility.

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

just tell me exactly your theory. lay it all out so I can understand

dude, i don;t have the 3 hours neccesary to go over this with someone who doesn;t think it is possible. the info is out there. if you really want to explore the possibility, i encourage you to do so.

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

wanted to blow a shuttle up. it was a hair from happening. had one person not blown the whistle, it would have happened.

show me where this is true?

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

dude, i don;t have the 3 hours neccesary to go over this with someone who doesn;t think it is possible. the info is out there. if you really want to explore the possibility, i encourage you to do so.

i'm not talking about possibilties. is it possible for me to be abducted from aliens today? sure.

im asking about who YOU think is responsible for 9/11. I believe it was el queda and OBL. no one else.

and you?

DPrival78

jlew24asu wrote:

ok I see. so to jusify going into Iraq, they (the administration) decided to attack america with 4 767 jets? and blow up WTC in a controlled demolition

its more than just iraq, or iran or any of that. its all about control. controlling us, controlling resources, controlling economies. the very rich and powerful people in this world (and i don't mean people like bush or cheney, who are just useful tools to those really calling the shots) have long clamored for things like world government, population reduction, and all kinds of other crazy shit. thats why they create or support crisises like "terrorism" or "communism" or "nazism" - to control populations, and shift wealth around, and consolidate their power. 9/11 and this whole "war on terror" is just another step in that process.

the international bankers.. thats who are real enemy is.

go here: http://www.themoneymasters.com/presiden.htm to read what some of our past presidents have said regarding the control and influence of international bankers.

look around that site a little.. it's interesting. and, I'd highly suggest, get the dvd of their documentary. it used to be up on google video, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore. but everyone should see that movie.

and now you must excuse me, i need to go shopping for a new tin-foil hat

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

show me where this is true?

By David Ruppe

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.


America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.


The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."


Gunning for War


The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.


Here you go smart guy! look, something you didn't know....

jlew24asu

DPrival78 wrote:

its more than just iraq, or iran or any of that. its all about control. controlling us, controlling resources, controlling economies. the very rich and powerful people in this world (and i don't mean people like bush or cheney, who are just useful tools to those really calling the shots) have long clamored for things like world government, population reduction, and all kinds of other crazy shit. thats why they create or support crisises like "terrorism" or "communism" or "nazism" - to control populations, and shift wealth around, and consolidate their power. 9/11 and this whole "war on terror" is just another step in that process.

the international bankers.. thats who are real enemy is.

go here: http://www.themoneymasters.com/presiden.htm to read what some of our past presidents have said regarding the control and influence of international bankers.

look around that site a little.. it's interesting. and, I'd highly suggest, get the dvd of their documentary. it used to be up on google video, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore. but everyone should see that movie.

and now you must excuse me, i need to go shopping for a new tin-foil hat

great there are rich powerful "evil" people in this world. I got it. still doesnt convince me that anyone other then osma bin laden was solely responsible for 9/11

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

i'm not talking about possibilties. is it possible for me to be abducted from aliens today? sure.

im asking about who YOU think is responsible for 9/11. I believe it was el queda and OBL. no one else.

and you?

this is what i am trying to say. we don;t know who was responsible. we need a REAL investigation on this. there are a lot of facts out there that need to be explored. this is what i'm trying to say. you are taking the administration's word without even looking into the possibility it was an inside job.

DPrival78

jlew24asu wrote:

great there are rich powerful "evil" people in this world. I got it. still doesnt convince me that anyone other then osma bin laden was solely responsible for 9/11

ok, but the intent there was to show that governments and movements and events are controlled by people behind the scenes who will use scapegoats to protect themselves.

i have a question for you. you say you're convinced that bin laden was solely responsible for 911. whats your strongest piece of evidence to back that up?

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

By David Ruppe

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.


America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.


The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."


Gunning for War


The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.


Here you go smart guy! look, something you didn't know....

operations northwoods thats all you had to say. I'm aware of that. do I believe our government had part in 9/11, no

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

this is what i am trying to say. we don;t know who was responsible. we need a REAL investigation on this. there are a lot of facts out there that need to be explored. this is what i'm trying to say. you are taking the administration's word without even looking into the possibility it was an inside job.

I believe that el queda is responsible. when you prove something else otherwise be sure to tell me and the world what you find

jlew24asu

DPrival78 wrote:

ok, but the intent there was to show that governments and movements and events are controlled by people behind the scenes who will use scapegoats to protect themselves.

i have a question for you. you say you're convinced that bin laden was solely responsible for 911. whats your strongest piece of evidence to back that up?

are you serious? the list is endless. i'll start with them admitting it.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158086&Disp=All

I really am amazed 5 years later people still need proof that el queda was responsible for 9/11. makes me sick.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

are you serious? the list is endless. i'll start with them admitting it.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158086&Disp=All

Are you aware that Osama doesn't wear jewelry? Are you aware that Osama is using his wrong hand to sign a document in the confession video? Are you aware that the FBI's Most Wanted page for Bin Laden doesn't list the September 11, 2001 attacks?

Perhaps the confession isn't good enough evidence for the FBI. Perhaps it's not even Osama Bin Laden in the video. If it is Osama and it does prove he orchestrated the attacks, why has Bush said he's not worried about Osama, why has the search for Osama basically ended after he was repeatedly allowed to escape to Pakistan?

FBI wrote:

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Are you aware that Osama doesn't wear jewelry?

you got me there, I had no idea.

DPrival78

jlew24asu wrote:

are you serious? the list is endless. i'll start with them admitting it.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158086&Disp=All

I really am amazed 5 years later people still need proof that el queda was responsible for 9/11. makes me sick.

i'm amazed you simply believe anything the mainstream media tells you. i'd like to know why al-jazeera gets exclusive access to these tapes, and who they get them from. people can do a lot of wild things with photoshop.. especially if you give them 5 years to do it. funny how it pops up just before the 5th anniversary of 9/11, and 2 months before the elections.

the original osama "confession" video was a fraud, so i am very skeptical of any of these videos. (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

"al-qaeda" is a CIA creation anyway, so you might not be totally wrong saying they did it.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

you got me there, I had no idea.

Is that as far into my post as you were able to read? For your information he doesn't. Watch some of his other videos. And also FYI Muslims don't go to strip clubs and get drunk, they certainly don't bring their Qu'ran with them if they do.

jlew24asu

do you believe el qaeuda was involved in the attacks? a simply yes or no will be fine