List of villages destroyed by Israel in 1948-1949

rebornFixer

My basic point is that EITHER side could act unilaterally. None displays much willingness to do so. This is not Israel's issue alone.

jeffbr

reborncareerist wrote:

My basic point is that EITHER side could act unilaterally. None displays much willingness to do so. This is not Israel's issue alone.

Exactly. It is such disingenuous bullshit to think otherwise. Neither side is innocent in this mess.

It is time for the US to smarten up, pull out entirely, let them (the entire Middle East) have at it, and when the dust clears negotiate a mutually beneficial trade relationship with the winner. I personally don't give a shit who that might be. I'm fucking sick of the whole mess. US policy in the region has caused the US nothing but grief. It has also caused the Middle East nothing but grief. So if they're going to have grief either way (and history says they are), I'd just as soon be removed from that.

fuck

reborncareerist wrote:

But it is also true that Hamas provides Israel with a reason not to withdraw. If the Palestinians took unilateral action against violence, the Israelis wouldn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to expansion. Jimmy Carter on his recent trip actually presented this argument to Hamas leaders. I am pretty sure they patted him on the head like a puppy or a cute little retard and sent him on his way. Hamas has done precious little to convince anyone that they are interested in peace. If they took a few steps towards nonviolence and tolerance of other peoples, maybe they could shed the terrorist label, and begin to work against "Islamophobia" instead of being one of its posterchildren.

This is a lie. Hamas is outlined by the biased Western media as being nothing but a violent organization. In reality, almost all (what is it, 90%?) of their funds go to social programs, hospitals, etc, none of which of course are still suitable for Palestinian civilians. Their armed struggle is such a small part of them, it's not even funny. They do tons of nonviolent demonstrations and protests that the Israelis respond VIOLENTLY to. If the Palestinians took unilateral action against the Israelis, not only would the media ignore most of what's going on, the Israelis would do whatever they wanted. Palestinian deaths would increase, and Israel would continue to steal more land and do whatever it wants.

fuck

reborncareerist wrote:

My basic point is that EITHER side could act unilaterally. None displays much willingness to do so. This is not Israel's issue alone.

Why is it so hard to realize that the man with the BIGGER guns who's causing MORE VIOLENCE should lay down the weapons first??

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

Exactly. It is such disingenuous bullshit to think otherwise. Neither side is innocent in this mess.

That's the thing. The Palestinians ARE innocent. No one in this thread has proven otherwise. the only thing you guys are saying is "both are guilty, and we should forget about it and throw all guns in the sea and have picnics together"... :rolleyes:

It is time for the US to smarten up, pull out entirely, let them (the entire Middle East) have at it, and when the dust clears negotiate a mutually beneficial trade relationship with the winner. I personally don't give a shit who that might be. I'm fucking sick of the whole mess. US policy in the region has caused the US nothing but grief. It has also caused the Middle East nothing but grief. So if they're going to have grief either way (and history says they are), I'd just as soon be removed from that.

That's smart. So after decades of meddling in the Middle East, they just pull out and let everyone kill eachother. Not to mention the fact that they depend on oil from there...

jeffbr

_outlaw wrote:

That's the thing. The Palestinians ARE innocent. No one in this thread has proven otherwise. the only thing you guys are saying is "both are guilty, and we should forget about it and throw all guns in the sea and have picnics together"... :rolleyes:

There are millenia of history recording violence in the region. Of course there are innocents involved. That is what makes this a total tragedy. But the innocents aren't exclusive to one side or the other. Your solution is to play the blame game and attempt to shame one side into submission. Good luck with that. My solution is to stop trying. It is an easier solution which will likely have the same result in the region as yours, but with much lower cost to me.

_outlaw wrote:

That's smart. So after decades of meddling in the Middle East, they just pull out and let everyone kill eachother. Not to mention the fact that they depend on oil from there...

Jimmy Carter, Barak Obama, Ralf Nader, Ron Paul (my guy), and others are not going to solve it. The best we can hope for is that the Middle East sorts themselves out. We depend on oil from there. Yes. That is why I will be happy to enter into a mutually beneficial trading relationship with the victor, whomever that might be.

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

There are millenia of history recording violence in the region. Of course there are innocents involved. That is what makes this a total tragedy. But the innocents aren't exclusive to one side or the other. Your solution is to play the blame game and attempt to shame one side into submission. Good luck with that. My solution is to stop trying. It is an easier solution which will likely have the same result in the region as yours, but with much lower cost to me.

What does this have to do with the fact that Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land?

Jimmy Carter, Barak Obama, Ralf Nader, Ron Paul (my guy), and others are not going to solve it. The best we can hope for is that the Middle East sorts themselves out. We depend on oil from there. Yes. That is why I will be happy to enter into a mutually beneficial trading relationship with the victor, whomever that might be.

You're right that Barack won't do shit. but atleast Jimmy Carter is trying to do something. Atleast Ralph Nader as president of the US would push for Israel to agree to the international consensus of withdrawing to the 67 borders, leading to talks between the Palestinians and Israelis. Atleast the US would be PUSHING both sides together, rather than giving complete backing to Israel.

You guys say the Palestinians should forget about what happened to them and work for a solution. Other than the fact that 1 million Palestinians were displaced in 1948 alone due to the Israeli violence, that thousands have been massacred, etc etc etc, you STILL offer NO SOLUTION.

jeffbr

_outlaw wrote:

You guys say the Palestinians should forget about what happened to them and work for a solution. Other than the fact that 1 million Palestinians were displaced in 1948 alone due to the Israeli violence, that thousands have been massacred, etc etc etc, you STILL offer NO SOLUTION.

I don't say what either side should do. I stopped caring. I only care that we (the US) get the fuck out of that entanglement. We are completely unable to contribute positively to the situation. What they care to do with one another is their business.

My solution is to leave and not look back. My solution is to quit meddling.

jeffbr

_outlaw wrote:

What does this have to do with the fact that Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land?

Sorry, I neglected to answer this question. My answer is -- It is not my concern.

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

I don't say what either side should do. I stopped caring. I only care that we (the US) get the fuck out of that entanglement. We are completely unable to contribute positively to the situation. What they care to do with one another is their business.

My solution is to leave and not look back. My solution is to quit meddling.

Other than the fact that it's simply not realistic, we're trapped in. The US has involved itself too much to simply back off now. The only thing we can do is act as a peacemaker. We want to be involved, we practically begged to be involved in foreign affairs, so we need to take responsibility. We need to call out Israel's actions, we need to stop using our tax dollars to fund Israel's illegal operations, and we need to find a way to settle this dispute.

I feel like the only reason people oppose these solutions is because it seems all too one-sided, when in reality, all of this falls in favor of EVERYONE, except for Israel's greedy government.

If you also "stopped caring" about the thousands of innocent Palestinians dying, then this thread is clearly not for you. Would you be happy if someone in the Middle East said "I stopped caring about the people who died on 9/11"? I don't think you would.

fuck

jeffbr wrote:

Sorry, I neglected to answer this question. My answer is -- It is not my concern.

You mean other than the fact that your government is using your tax money to fund it?

ok.

jeffbr

_outlaw wrote:

Other than the fact that it's simply not realistic, we're trapped in. The US has involved itself too much to simply back off now. The only thing we can do is act as a peacemaker. We want to be involved, we practically begged to be involved in foreign affairs, so we need to take responsibility. We need to call out Israel's actions, we need to stop using our tax dollars to fund Israel's illegal operations, and we need to find a way to settle this dispute.

I feel like the only reason people oppose these solutions is because it seems all too one-sided, when in reality, all of this falls in favor of EVERYONE, except for Israel's greedy government.

If you also "stopped caring" about the thousands of innocent Palestinians dying, then this thread is clearly not for you. Would you be happy if someone in the Middle East said "I stopped caring about the people who died on 9/11"? I don't think you would.

I don't expect them to care, from a policy standpoint. Of course, I care from a humanity standpoint, but not from a national policy standpoint. We will be criticized by one side or the other no matter what we choose to do. The outcome will be that peace eludes the region, and it will, of course, be our fault. Sorry, we've played that game too long. I don't believe we've been involved too long to back out now. That sounds like an addicted gambler talking. With investments and gambling you don't chase bad money with good. The same should go for foreign policy. The best thing we can do is absolutely nothing. It has the least cost to us and minimal downside to us.

jeffbr

_outlaw wrote:

You mean other than the fact that your government is using your tax money to fund it?

ok.

Ha, well as a libertarian, I am quite opposed to the money taken from my pocket and given to other countries. So you're right about that. That is definitely a concern of mine.

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

You mean other than the fact that your government is using your tax money to fund it?

ok.

This is a good point. It's easy to "stop caring" though, because it's a difficult situation and neither side wants to do anything about it really...so it's understandable to stop caring.

All you hear anymore is a constant verbal assult from either Pro-Palestinian or Pro-Israeli people...a verbal assult that will lead to nothing.

bigdvs

Byrnzie wrote:

1. The first part of the paragraph you quoted reads: 'Jewish immigration to Palestine, particularly to the "four sacred cities" (Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias and Hebron) which already had significant Jewish communities, increased particularly towards the end of Ottoman rule; Jews of European origin lived mostly off donations from off-country, while many Sephardic Jews found themselves a trade. Many Circassians and Bosnian Muslims were settled in the north of Palestine by the Ottomans in the early 19th Century...'
2. The Druze aren't Palestinians.
3. The Druze aren't Muslims.
4. Palestinians lived in peace with Jews for hundreds of years.
5. What sanctuary did Jews need in 1914?
6. No part of the land belonged to Jews. It belonged to the Ottoman Empire 'who ruled the area through local pontentates', having a minimal influence on the daily lives of the Arab inhabitants.
7. What does any of this have to do with the illegal Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and even of the illegitimacy of the Zionist enterprise in the early part of the 20th century and the ethnic cleansing that resulted?

And you haven't made any 'contradictions to a bunch of assumptions' by myself or Outlaw because no assumptions were made by either one of us.
Still, nice try.

Druze??? what????

The Druze (Arabic: درزي, derzī or durzī, plural دروز, durūz; Hebrew: דרוזים‎, Druzim; also transliterated Druz or Druse) are a religious community found primarily in Lebanon, Israel and Syria whose traditional religion is said to have begun as an offshoot of the Ismaili sect of Islam, but is unique in its incorporation of Gnostic, neo-Platonic, pagan and other philosophies. Because of such incorporation, most scholars label the Druze as a non-Muslim sect, even though some Druze identify themselves as Muslims.

(its fair to say these people probably held the Jewish populations within the region as inferior (dhimmitude) and it was recorded as a muslim slaughter of a non-muslim population for the glory of almighty allah. For an analogy the equivlent of the KKK hypothetically burning down Charleston because it was becoming too Black.)

Regardless in my 30 years on this planet there was one shot at peace and what you claim is all that palestinians want. Its Camp David and one leader said he could not agree to it. The rest has been whining and killing from both sides.

So please stop nothing you add on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change anything. thanks

PS: @ outlaw, I think we have sincerely tried (maybe not in the last 8 years, but before that) and the American people supported the amount of time and effort (and money) that was put into it. When it failed (thanks Yassir), it put us back 50 years to "the Jewish state must survive at all costs" mentality. Every action has a reaction, where could we be, what could have been avoided if Arafat had the balls to agree to the Camp David Accords.

fuck

bigdvs wrote:

most scholars label the Druze as a non-Muslim sect

you answered your own objection.

Regardless in my 30 years on this planet there was one shot at peace and what you claim is all that palestinians want. Its Camp David and one leader said he could not agree to it. The rest has been whining and killing from both sides.

what exactly was on the offer to the Palestinians at Camp David and of what were the Israelis allegedly willing to 'concede'??

The fact is that what was on offer to the Palestinians was nothing but a carve of the West Bank with numerous Apartheid style bantustans scattered around and separated from each other by Israeli controlled and checkpoints. Also Israel would maintain control of the borders, coastline, and airspace, and the Israeli army would continue to operate in around these settlements.
Here's a map of what was on offet to the Palestinians at Camp David: http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/wbgs_campdavid.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14120.htm
'The Barak proposal in Camp David, the Barak-Clinton proposal, in the United States, I didn't check the Canadian media, in the United States you cannot find a map, which is the most important thing of course, check in Canada, see if you can find a map. You go to Israel, you can find a map, you go to scholarly sources, you can find a map. Here's what you find when you look at a map: You find that this generous, magnanimous proposal provided Israel with a salient east of Jerusalem, which was established primarily by the Labor government, in order to bisect the West Bank. That salient goes almost to Jericho, breaks the West Bank into two cantons, then there's a second salient to the North, going to the Israeli settlement of Ariel, which bisects the Northern part into two cantons.

So, we've got three cantons in the West Bank, virtually separated. All three of them are separated from a small area of East Jerusalem which is the center of Palestinian commercial and cultural life and of communications. So you have four cantons, all separated from the West, from Gaza, so that's five cantons, all surrounded by Israeli settlements, infrastructure, development and so on, which also incidentally guarantee Israel control of the water resources.'

PS: @ outlaw, I think we have sincerely tried (maybe not in the last 8 years, but before that) and the American people supported the amount of time and effort (and money) that was put into it.

money that was put into it? I assume by 'it' you mean the Israeli army to which I say yes, the American government has sincerely tried to aid in the systemic killing of Palestinians.

fuck

fixed the links in the previous post...

rocketman

_outlaw wrote:

1. Amqa
2. Arab Al-Samniyya
3. Al-Bassa
4. Al-Birwa
5. Al-Damun
6. Dayr Al-Qasi
7. Al-Gabisiyya
8. Iqrit
9. Irbbin Khirbat
10. Jiddin Khirbat
11. Al-Kabri
12. Kafr Inan
13. Kuwaykat
14. Al-Manshiyya
15. Al-Mansura
16. Miar
17. Al-Nabi Rubin
18. Al-Nahr
19. Al-Ruways
20. Suhmata
21. Al-Sumayriyya
22. Suruh
23. Al-Tall
24. Tarbikha
25. Umm Al-Faraj
26. Al-Zib
27. Arab al-'Arida
28. Arab al-Bawati
29. Arab al-Safa
30. al-Ashrafiyya
31. al-Birra
32. Danna
33. Farwana
34. al-Fatur
35. al-Ghazzawiyya
36. al-Hamidiyya
37. al-Hamra
38. Jabbul
39. Kafra
40. Kawkab al-Hawa
41. al-Khunayzir
42. Masil al-Jizl
43. al-Murassa
44. Qumya
45. al-Sakhina
46. al-Samiriyya
47. Sirin
48. Tall al-Shawk
49. al-Taqa, Khirbat
50. al-Tira
51. Umm 'Ajra
52. Umm Sabuna, Khirbat
53. Yubla
54. Zab'a
55. al-Zawiya, Khirbat
56. al-'Imara
57. al-Jammama
58. al-Khalsa
59. Arab Suqrir
60. Barbara
61. Barqa
62. al-Batani al-Gharbi
63. al-Batani al-Sharqi
64. Bayt 'Affa
65. Bayt Daras
66. Bayt Jirja
67. Bayt Tima
68. Bi'lin
69. Burayr
70. Dayr Sunayd
71. Dimra
72. al-Faluja
73. Hamama
74. Hatta
75. Hiribya
76. Huj
77. Hulayqat
78. 'Ibdis
79. 'Iraq al-Manshiyya
80. 'Iraq Suwaydan
81. Isdud
82. al-Jaladiyya
83. al-Jiyya
84. Julis
85. al-Jura
86. Jusayr
87. Karatiyya
88. Kawfakha
89. Kawkaba
90. al-Khisas
91. al-Masmiyya al-Kabira
92. al-Masmiyya al-Saghira
93. al-Muharraqa
94. Najd
95. Ni'ilya
96. Qastina
97. al-Sawafir al-Gharbiyya
98. al-Sawafir al-Shamaliyya
99. al-Sawafir al-Sharqiyya
100. Simsim
101. Summil
102. Tall al-Turmusl
103. Yasur
104. Abu Shusha
105. Abu Zurayq
106. Arab al-Fuqara'
107. Arab al-Nufay'at
108. Arab Zahrat al-Dumayri
109. Atlit
110. Ayn Ghazal
111. Ayn Hawd
112. Balad al-Shaykh
113. Barrat Qisarya
114. Burayka
115. al-Burj, Khirbat
116. al-Butaymat
117. Daliyat al-Rawha'
118. al-Damun, Khirbat
119. al-Ghubayya al-Fawqa
120. al-Ghubayya al-Tahta
121. Hawsha
122. Ijzim
123. Jaba'
124. al-Jalma
125. Kabara
126. al-Kafrayn
127. Kafr Lam
128. al-Kasayir, Khirbat
129. Khubbayza
130. Lid, khirbat
131. al-Manara, Khirbat
132. al-Mansi
133. al-Mansura, Khirbat
134. al-Mazar
135. al-Naghnaghiyya
136. Qannir
137. Qira
138. Qisarya
139. Qumbaza
140. al-Rihaniyya
141. Sabbarin
142. al-Sarafand
143. al-Sarkas, Khirbat
144. Sa'sa', Khirbat
145. al-Sawamir
146. al-Shuna, Khirbat
147. al-Sindiyana
148. al-Tantura
149. al- Tira
150. Umm al-Shawf
151. Umm al-Zinat
152. Wa'arat al-Sarris
153. Wadi Ara
154. Yajur
155. 'Ajjur
156. Barqusya
157. Bayt Jibrin
158. Bayt Nattif
159. al-Dawayima
160. Dayr al-Dubban
161. Dayr Nakhkhas
162. Kudna
163. Mughallis
164. al-Qubayba
165. Ra'na
166. Tall al-Safi
167. Umm Burj, Khirbat
168. Zakariyya
169. Zayta
170. Zikrin
171. al- 'Abbasiyya
172. Abu Kishk
173. Bayt Dajan
174. Biyar 'Adas
175. Fajja
176. al- Haram
177. Ijlil al-Qibliyya
178. Ijlil al-Shamaliyya
179. al-Jammasin al-Gharbi
180. al-Jammasin al-Sharqi
181. Jarisha
182. Kafr 'Ana
183. al-Khayriyya
184. al-Mas'udiyya
185. al-Mirr
186. al-Muwaylih
187. Rantiya
188. al-Safiriyya
189. Salameh
190. Saqiya
191. al-Sawalima
192. al-Shaykh Muwannis
193. Yazur
194. 'Allar
195. 'Aqqur
196. 'Artuf
197. 'Ayn Karim
198. Bayt 'Itab
199. Bayt Mahsir
200. Bayt Naqquba
201. Bayt Thul
202. Bayt Umm al-Mays
203. al-Burayi
204. Dayr Aban
205. Dayr 'Amr
206. Dayr al-Hawa
207. Dayr Rafat
208. Dayr al-Shaykh
209. Dayr Yasin
210. Ishwa'
211. 'Islin
212. Ism Allah, Khirbat
213. Jarash
214. al-jura
215. Kasla
216. al-Lawz, Khirbat
217. Lifta
218. al-Maliha
219. Nitaf
220. al-Qabu
221. Qalunya
222. al-Qastal
223. Ras Abu 'Ammar
224. Sar'a
225. Saris
226. Sataf
227. Suba
228. Sufla
229. al-Tannur, Khirbat
230. al-'Umur, Khirbat
231. al-Walaja
232. Ayn al-Mansi
233. al-Jawfa, Khirbat
234. al-Lajjun
235. al-Mazar
236. Nuris
237. Zir'in
238. Indur
239. Ma'lul
240. al-Mujaydil
241. Saffuriyya
242. Abu al-Fadl
243. Abu Shusha
244. 'Ajanjul
245. 'Aqir
246. Barfiliya
247. al-Barriyya
248. Bashshit
249. Bayt Far, Khirbat
250. Bayt Jiz
251. Bayt Nabala
252. Bayt Shanna
253. Bayt Susin
254. Bir Ma'in
255. Bir Salim
256. al-Burj
257. al-Buwayra, Khirbat
258. Daniyal
259. Dayr Abu Salama
260. Dayr Ayyub
261. Dayr Muhaysin
262. Dayr Tarif
263. al-Duhayriyya, Khirbat
264. al-Haditha
265. Idnibba
266. 'Innaba
267. Jilya
268. Jimzu
269. Kharruba
270. al-Khayma
271. Khulda
272. al-Kunayyisa
273. al-Latrun
274. al-Maghar
275. Majdal Yaba
276. al-Mansura
277. al-Mukhayzin
278. al-Muzayri'a
279. al-Na'ani
280. al-Nabi Rubin
281. Qatra
282. Qazaza
283. al-Qubab
284. al-Qubayba
285. Qula
286. Sajad
287. Salbit
288. Sarafand al-'Amar
289. Sarafand al-Kharab
290. Saydun
291. Shahma
292. Shilta
293. al-Tina
294. al-Tira
295. Umm Kalkha
296. Wadi Hunayn
297. Yibna
298. Zakariyya, Khirbat
299. Zarnuqa
300. Abil al-Qamh
301. al-'Abisiyya
302. 'Akbara
303. 'Alma
304. 'Ammuqa
305. 'Arab al-Shamalina
306. 'Arab al-Zubayd
307. 'Ayn al-Zaytun
308. Baysamun
309. Biriyya
310. al-Butayha
311. al-Buwayziyya
312. Dallata
313. al-Dawwara
314. Dayshum
315. al-Dirbashiyya
316. al-Dirdara
317. Fara
318. al-Farradiyya
319. Fir'im
320. Ghabbatiyya
321. Ghuraba
322. al-Hamra'
323. Harrawi
324. Hunin
325. al-Husayniyya
326. Jahula
327. al-Ja'una
328. Jubb Yusuf
329. Kafr Bir'im
330. al-Khalisa
331. Khan al-Duwayr
332. Karraza, Khirbat
333. al-Khisas
334. Khiyam al-Walid
335. Kirad al-Baqqara
336. Kirad al-Ghannama
337. Lazzaza
338. Madahil
339. al-Malikiyya
340. Mallaha
341. al-Manshiyya
342. al-Mansura
343. Mansurat al-Khayt
344. Marus
345. Mirun
346. al-Muftakhira
347. Mughr al-Khayt
348. al-Muntar, Khirbat
349. al-Nabi Yusha'
350. al-Na'ima
351. Qabba'a
352. Qadas
353. Qaddita
354. Qaytiyya
355. al-Qudayriyya
356. al-Ras al-Ahmar
357. Sabalan
358. Sfsaf
359. Saliha
360. al-Salihiyya
361. al -Sammu'i
362. al-Sanbariyya
363. Sa'sa'
364. al-Shawka al-Tahta
365. al-Shuna
366. Taytaba
367. Tulayl
368. al-'Ulmaniyya
369. al-'Urayfiyya
370. al-Wayziyya
371. Yarda
372. al-Zahiriiyya al-Tahta
373. al-Zanghariyya
374. al-Zawiya
375. al-Zuq al-Fawqani
376. al-Zuq al-Tahtani
377. 'Awlam
378. al-Dalhamiyya
379. Ghuwayr Abu Shusha
380. Hadatha
381. al-Hamma
382. Hittin
383. Kafr Sabt
384. Lubya
385. Ma'dhar
386. al-Majdal
387. al-Manara
388. al-Manshiyya
389. al-Mansura
390. Nasir al-Din
391. Nimrin
392. al-Nuqayb
393. Samakh
394. al-Samakiyya
395. al-Samra
396. al-Shajara
397. al-Tabigha
398. al-'Ubaydiyya
399. Wadi al-Hamam
400. al-Wa'ra al-Swawda', Khirbat
401. Yaquq
402. Bayt Lid, Khirbat
403. Bayyarat Hannun
404. Fardisya
405. Ghabat Kafrr Sur
406. al-Jalama
407. Kafr Saba
408. al-Majdal, Khirbat
409. al-Manshiyya
410. Miska
411. Qaqun
412. Raml Zayta
413. Tabsur
414. Umm Khalid
415. Wadi al-Hawarith
416. Wadi Qabbani
417. al-Zababida, Khirbat
418. Zalafa, Khirbat

hmm... imagine one of these villages was your home... one that you and generations of your family before you was apart of for so long... then one day it was just destroyed... no one remembers or cares about your village, in fact no one even knows the name. It just becomes part of some list that barely any people even know about...

that's the reality of the palestinian/israeli situation, unfortunately one that most people will never hear about...

I guess they should have accepted the will of the United Nations in 1948 and not waged war. Bad choice .

rocketman

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

It should also be noted that war erupted in 1947 AFTER the Arabs rejected the UN's plan for a separate Jewish and Arab state in Palestine. A plan that the Jews were not thrilled with but still accepted.

Dont throw actual history at these people. Their heads are liable to explode.

fuck

rocketman wrote:

I guess they should have accepted the will of the United Nations in 1948 and not waged war. Bad choice .

the will of the United Nations? You mean to give Israel half of the land? why would anyone agree to that? if the "will of the United Nations" was to give a minority group in the U.S. half of the land, would you sit by and agree to that?

oh, and the Arabs didn't "wage war" in 1948, Zionist underground movements had been setting bombs and killing many innocent people (while destroying all those villages) while the Arabs were trying for a more peaceful solution, by seeking international help.