List of villages destroyed by Israel in 1948-1949

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1. Amqa
2. Arab Al-Samniyya
3. Al-Bassa
4. Al-Birwa
5. Al-Damun
6. Dayr Al-Qasi
7. Al-Gabisiyya
8. Iqrit
9. Irbbin Khirbat
10. Jiddin Khirbat
11. Al-Kabri
12. Kafr Inan
13. Kuwaykat
14. Al-Manshiyya
15. Al-Mansura
16. Miar
17. Al-Nabi Rubin
18. Al-Nahr
19. Al-Ruways
20. Suhmata
21. Al-Sumayriyya
22. Suruh
23. Al-Tall
24. Tarbikha
25. Umm Al-Faraj
26. Al-Zib
27. Arab al-'Arida
28. Arab al-Bawati
29. Arab al-Safa
30. al-Ashrafiyya
31. al-Birra
32. Danna
33. Farwana
34. al-Fatur
35. al-Ghazzawiyya
36. al-Hamidiyya
37. al-Hamra
38. Jabbul
39. Kafra
40. Kawkab al-Hawa
41. al-Khunayzir
42. Masil al-Jizl
43. al-Murassa
44. Qumya
45. al-Sakhina
46. al-Samiriyya
47. Sirin
48. Tall al-Shawk
49. al-Taqa, Khirbat
50. al-Tira
51. Umm 'Ajra
52. Umm Sabuna, Khirbat
53. Yubla
54. Zab'a
55. al-Zawiya, Khirbat
56. al-'Imara
57. al-Jammama
58. al-Khalsa
59. Arab Suqrir
60. Barbara
61. Barqa
62. al-Batani al-Gharbi
63. al-Batani al-Sharqi
64. Bayt 'Affa
65. Bayt Daras
66. Bayt Jirja
67. Bayt Tima
68. Bi'lin
69. Burayr
70. Dayr Sunayd
71. Dimra
72. al-Faluja
73. Hamama
74. Hatta
75. Hiribya
76. Huj
77. Hulayqat
78. 'Ibdis
79. 'Iraq al-Manshiyya
80. 'Iraq Suwaydan
81. Isdud
82. al-Jaladiyya
83. al-Jiyya
84. Julis
85. al-Jura
86. Jusayr
87. Karatiyya
88. Kawfakha
89. Kawkaba
90. al-Khisas
91. al-Masmiyya al-Kabira
92. al-Masmiyya al-Saghira
93. al-Muharraqa
94. Najd
95. Ni'ilya
96. Qastina
97. al-Sawafir al-Gharbiyya
98. al-Sawafir al-Shamaliyya
99. al-Sawafir al-Sharqiyya
100. Simsim
101. Summil
102. Tall al-Turmusl
103. Yasur
104. Abu Shusha
105. Abu Zurayq
106. Arab al-Fuqara'
107. Arab al-Nufay'at
108. Arab Zahrat al-Dumayri
109. Atlit
110. Ayn Ghazal
111. Ayn Hawd
112. Balad al-Shaykh
113. Barrat Qisarya
114. Burayka
115. al-Burj, Khirbat
116. al-Butaymat
117. Daliyat al-Rawha'
118. al-Damun, Khirbat
119. al-Ghubayya al-Fawqa
120. al-Ghubayya al-Tahta
121. Hawsha
122. Ijzim
123. Jaba'
124. al-Jalma
125. Kabara
126. al-Kafrayn
127. Kafr Lam
128. al-Kasayir, Khirbat
129. Khubbayza
130. Lid, khirbat
131. al-Manara, Khirbat
132. al-Mansi
133. al-Mansura, Khirbat
134. al-Mazar
135. al-Naghnaghiyya
136. Qannir
137. Qira
138. Qisarya
139. Qumbaza
140. al-Rihaniyya
141. Sabbarin
142. al-Sarafand
143. al-Sarkas, Khirbat
144. Sa'sa', Khirbat
145. al-Sawamir
146. al-Shuna, Khirbat
147. al-Sindiyana
148. al-Tantura
149. al- Tira
150. Umm al-Shawf
151. Umm al-Zinat
152. Wa'arat al-Sarris
153. Wadi Ara
154. Yajur
155. 'Ajjur
156. Barqusya
157. Bayt Jibrin
158. Bayt Nattif
159. al-Dawayima
160. Dayr al-Dubban
161. Dayr Nakhkhas
162. Kudna
163. Mughallis
164. al-Qubayba
165. Ra'na
166. Tall al-Safi
167. Umm Burj, Khirbat
168. Zakariyya
169. Zayta
170. Zikrin
171. al- 'Abbasiyya
172. Abu Kishk
173. Bayt Dajan
174. Biyar 'Adas
175. Fajja
176. al- Haram
177. Ijlil al-Qibliyya
178. Ijlil al-Shamaliyya
179. al-Jammasin al-Gharbi
180. al-Jammasin al-Sharqi
181. Jarisha
182. Kafr 'Ana
183. al-Khayriyya
184. al-Mas'udiyya
185. al-Mirr
186. al-Muwaylih
187. Rantiya
188. al-Safiriyya
189. Salameh
190. Saqiya
191. al-Sawalima
192. al-Shaykh Muwannis
193. Yazur
194. 'Allar
195. 'Aqqur
196. 'Artuf
197. 'Ayn Karim
198. Bayt 'Itab
199. Bayt Mahsir
200. Bayt Naqquba
201. Bayt Thul
202. Bayt Umm al-Mays
203. al-Burayi
204. Dayr Aban
205. Dayr 'Amr
206. Dayr al-Hawa
207. Dayr Rafat
208. Dayr al-Shaykh
209. Dayr Yasin
210. Ishwa'
211. 'Islin
212. Ism Allah, Khirbat
213. Jarash
214. al-jura
215. Kasla
216. al-Lawz, Khirbat
217. Lifta
218. al-Maliha
219. Nitaf
220. al-Qabu
221. Qalunya
222. al-Qastal
223. Ras Abu 'Ammar
224. Sar'a
225. Saris
226. Sataf
227. Suba
228. Sufla
229. al-Tannur, Khirbat
230. al-'Umur, Khirbat
231. al-Walaja
232. Ayn al-Mansi
233. al-Jawfa, Khirbat
234. al-Lajjun
235. al-Mazar
236. Nuris
237. Zir'in
238. Indur
239. Ma'lul
240. al-Mujaydil
241. Saffuriyya
242. Abu al-Fadl
243. Abu Shusha
244. 'Ajanjul
245. 'Aqir
246. Barfiliya
247. al-Barriyya
248. Bashshit
249. Bayt Far, Khirbat
250. Bayt Jiz
251. Bayt Nabala
252. Bayt Shanna
253. Bayt Susin
254. Bir Ma'in
255. Bir Salim
256. al-Burj
257. al-Buwayra, Khirbat
258. Daniyal
259. Dayr Abu Salama
260. Dayr Ayyub
261. Dayr Muhaysin
262. Dayr Tarif
263. al-Duhayriyya, Khirbat
264. al-Haditha
265. Idnibba
266. 'Innaba
267. Jilya
268. Jimzu
269. Kharruba
270. al-Khayma
271. Khulda
272. al-Kunayyisa
273. al-Latrun
274. al-Maghar
275. Majdal Yaba
276. al-Mansura
277. al-Mukhayzin
278. al-Muzayri'a
279. al-Na'ani
280. al-Nabi Rubin
281. Qatra
282. Qazaza
283. al-Qubab
284. al-Qubayba
285. Qula
286. Sajad
287. Salbit
288. Sarafand al-'Amar
289. Sarafand al-Kharab
290. Saydun
291. Shahma
292. Shilta
293. al-Tina
294. al-Tira
295. Umm Kalkha
296. Wadi Hunayn
297. Yibna
298. Zakariyya, Khirbat
299. Zarnuqa
300. Abil al-Qamh
301. al-'Abisiyya
302. 'Akbara
303. 'Alma
304. 'Ammuqa
305. 'Arab al-Shamalina
306. 'Arab al-Zubayd
307. 'Ayn al-Zaytun
308. Baysamun
309. Biriyya
310. al-Butayha
311. al-Buwayziyya
312. Dallata
313. al-Dawwara
314. Dayshum
315. al-Dirbashiyya
316. al-Dirdara
317. Fara
318. al-Farradiyya
319. Fir'im
320. Ghabbatiyya
321. Ghuraba
322. al-Hamra'
323. Harrawi
324. Hunin
325. al-Husayniyya
326. Jahula
327. al-Ja'una
328. Jubb Yusuf
329. Kafr Bir'im
330. al-Khalisa
331. Khan al-Duwayr
332. Karraza, Khirbat
333. al-Khisas
334. Khiyam al-Walid
335. Kirad al-Baqqara
336. Kirad al-Ghannama
337. Lazzaza
338. Madahil
339. al-Malikiyya
340. Mallaha
341. al-Manshiyya
342. al-Mansura
343. Mansurat al-Khayt
344. Marus
345. Mirun
346. al-Muftakhira
347. Mughr al-Khayt
348. al-Muntar, Khirbat
349. al-Nabi Yusha'
350. al-Na'ima
351. Qabba'a
352. Qadas
353. Qaddita
354. Qaytiyya
355. al-Qudayriyya
356. al-Ras al-Ahmar
357. Sabalan
358. Sfsaf
359. Saliha
360. al-Salihiyya
361. al -Sammu'i
362. al-Sanbariyya
363. Sa'sa'
364. al-Shawka al-Tahta
365. al-Shuna
366. Taytaba
367. Tulayl
368. al-'Ulmaniyya
369. al-'Urayfiyya
370. al-Wayziyya
371. Yarda
372. al-Zahiriiyya al-Tahta
373. al-Zanghariyya
374. al-Zawiya
375. al-Zuq al-Fawqani
376. al-Zuq al-Tahtani
377. 'Awlam
378. al-Dalhamiyya
379. Ghuwayr Abu Shusha
380. Hadatha
381. al-Hamma
382. Hittin
383. Kafr Sabt
384. Lubya
385. Ma'dhar
386. al-Majdal
387. al-Manara
388. al-Manshiyya
389. al-Mansura
390. Nasir al-Din
391. Nimrin
392. al-Nuqayb
393. Samakh
394. al-Samakiyya
395. al-Samra
396. al-Shajara
397. al-Tabigha
398. al-'Ubaydiyya
399. Wadi al-Hamam
400. al-Wa'ra al-Swawda', Khirbat
401. Yaquq
402. Bayt Lid, Khirbat
403. Bayyarat Hannun
404. Fardisya
405. Ghabat Kafrr Sur
406. al-Jalama
407. Kafr Saba
408. al-Majdal, Khirbat
409. al-Manshiyya
410. Miska
411. Qaqun
412. Raml Zayta
413. Tabsur
414. Umm Khalid
415. Wadi al-Hawarith
416. Wadi Qabbani
417. al-Zababida, Khirbat
418. Zalafa, Khirbat

hmm... imagine one of these villages was your home... one that you and generations of your family before you was apart of for so long... then one day it was just destroyed... no one remembers or cares about your village, in fact no one even knows the name. It just becomes part of some list that barely any people even know about...

that's the reality of the palestinian/israeli situation, unfortunately one that most people will never hear about...

FiveB247x

In my opionion there is so much water under the bridge no matter which particular side you "back", but in reality, nowadays, it's become so much more of a cat and mouse and tit-for-tat, that neither side is justified in their actions. Both sides need to make many concessions and adjustments to create a peace - not merely blame the other half because that's all that's occured for 50+ yrs now and hasn't accomplished much but war, dealth and chaos.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

A bona fide case of too many people and not enough land.

sincerely tragic....

Its Evolution Baby

It should also be noted that war erupted in 1947 AFTER the Arabs rejected the UN's plan for a separate Jewish and Arab state in Palestine. A plan that the Jews were not thrilled with but still accepted.

ajedigecko

FiveB247x wrote:

In my opionion there is so much water under the bridge no matter which particular side you "back", but in reality, nowadays, it's become so much more of a cat and mouse and tit-for-tat, that neither side is justified in their actions. Both sides need to make many concessions and adjustments to create a peace - not merely blame the other half because that's all that's occured for 50+ yrs now and hasn't accomplished much but war, dealth and chaos.

good post.

Its Evolution Baby

FiveB247x wrote:

In my opionion there is so much water under the bridge no matter which particular side you "back", but in reality, nowadays, it's become so much more of a cat and mouse and tit-for-tat, that neither side is justified in their actions. Both sides need to make many concessions and adjustments to create a peace - not merely blame the other half because that's all that's occured for 50+ yrs now and hasn't accomplished much but war, dealth and chaos.

Agreed. People who have blind support to either side is truly ignoring some awful actions both sides of perpetrated.

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FiveB247x wrote:

In my opionion there is so much water under the bridge no matter which particular side you "back", but in reality, nowadays, it's become so much more of a cat and mouse and tit-for-tat, that neither side is justified in their actions. Both sides need to make many concessions and adjustments to create a peace - not merely blame the other half because that's all that's occured for 50+ yrs now and hasn't accomplished much but war, dealth and chaos.

Neither side is justified in their actions? The Palestinian struggle, while you can't technically JUSTIFY them killing civilians, after having seen what they've been through, it's understandable to say the least. The Palestinians have been subjected to significant losses, and just pure humiliation and racism.

what's your solution? To simply say "what's done is done" and "put the past behind us and work for a better future"? This isn't a fairy tale. This kind of destruction still takes place until today where the Israelis have stripped all Palestinians of their rights. It's time you guys see the reality of the situation. This isn't a case where both sides are hurting eachother in the same way. This is an occupation by one side over the other.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

p.s. the Pali's are still gettin reamered in the a$$hat

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Its Evolution Baby wrote:

It should also be noted that war erupted in 1947 AFTER the Arabs rejected the UN's plan for a separate Jewish and Arab state in Palestine. A plan that the Jews were not thrilled with but still accepted.

hmm... I wonder why the Arabs would reject that plan and the Jews would accept it...

oh, maybe because it increased the amount of land Jews owned from 6% of Palestine to 55% of Palestine... yeah, that makes sense that they would accept it... oh yeah it also gave them their OWN INDEPENDENT STATE ON ARAB LAND.

And they weren't thrilled about it?! give me a fucking break.

why would you imagine that the Arabs would reject such a plan??? because they're thirsty for blood?

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Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Agreed. People who have blind support to either side is truly ignoring some awful actions both sides of perpetrated.

Look at Post #7...

....and Post #8, I guess.

Its Evolution Baby

_outlaw wrote:

hmm... I wonder why the Arabs would reject that plan and the Jews would accept it...

oh, maybe because it increased the amount of land Jews owned from 6% of Palestine to 55% of Palestine... yeah, that makes sense that they would accept it... oh yeah it also gave them their OWN INDEPENDENT STATE ON ARAB LAND.

And they weren't thrilled about it?! give me a fucking break.

why would you imagine that the Arabs would reject such a plan??? because they're thirsty for blood?

You're right...

Those damn evil Jews.

What about the fact that the land was originally Jewish land that was taken from them by the Roman Empire yet they still made regular pilgrimages to the holy land?

What about the fact that Arabs threatened and murdered Jewish Immigrants in the 1930's when they were fleeing Europe due to persecution even before the Nazi's?

What about the fact that Palestine issued a doctrine blocking all Jewish Immigrants during WWII which led to many more Jews killed in the Holocaust?

Or how about the fact that Jews were no longer allowed in areas of Europe due to WWII? Imagine that you are being murdered and still are blamed for casusing a war.

To say that this is a one sided issue is just foolish to me.

acutejam

_outlaw wrote:

it also gave them their OWN INDEPENDENT STATE ON ARAB LAND.

Uh, it was a British Mandate from 1917 to 1948, so really, it was British land. And they kicked the Ottoman Empire/Turkish butt for it, who kicked the Eqyptian's butt for it, who had previously kicked more ottoman butt, who had kicked more egyptian butt, who had kicked some crusader butt and we know the crusader's had kicked some butt too, which just kinda gives you the whole flavor of how the region (well, heck, really all places on the planet) has sorted out these things for hundreds of years.

Last I checked, the jews and the germans had worked out their differences from 60 years ago. So I'm guessing there's one party really that's not too keen on getting along with folks....

but that's just a guess.

fuck

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

What about the fact that the land was originally Jewish land that was taken from them by the Roman Empire yet they still made regular pilgrimages to the holy land?

What about it? It was taken from them sooooooo long ago. They no longer have a "claim" to it.... And the Arabs let the Jews make pilgrimages to the holy land regularly.

What about the fact that Arabs threatened and murdered Jewish Immigrants in the 1930's when they were fleeing Europe due to persecution even before the Nazi's?

This is a ridiculous argument. Since even before the 1930's there has been a large increase in Jews immigrating to Palestine AGAINST the Palestinians' wishes. They had several agreements with the British in the 1930s about immigration, but the British kept going back on their word. Violence and riots erupted from both sides because the Arabs were angry at the fact that many Jews were purchasing lots of property and there were issues over holy sites (ie. the Wailing Wall).

What about the fact that Palestine issued a doctrine blocking all Jewish Immigrants during WWII which led to many more Jews killed in the Holocaust?

The Palestinians took WAY MORE immigrants than they had agreed to in the first place. That was enough. Is Palestine the only country the Jewish people can go to? And are you SERIOUSLY trying to blame more Jews getting killed in the Holocaust due to the greedy Palestinians not opening their borders?!

Or how about the fact that Jews were no longer allowed in areas of Europe due to WWII?

And? The Palestinians have to suffer the consequences for this?

Imagine that you are being murdered and still are blamed for casusing a war.

You mean like the Palestinians? Yeah, they are being murdered and are still taking LOTS of blame for this. Undeserved blame. The Zionists simply took over land that wasn't there's. That's all their is to it. The Holocaust, while tragic, does not justify this.

fuck

acutejam wrote:

Uh, it was a British Mandate from 1917 to 1948, so really, it was British land. And they kicked the Ottoman Empire/Turkish butt for it, who kicked the Eqyptian's butt for it, who had previously kicked more ottoman butt, who had kicked more egyptian butt, who had kicked some crusader butt and we know the crusader's had kicked some butt too, which just kinda gives you the whole flavor of how the region (well, heck, really all places on the planet) has sorted out these things for hundreds of years.

The Palestinians declared their independence SEVERAL times after Ottoman Empire collapsed, just like all the other Arab states. However, the British issued that fake mandate about giving land that wasn't theirs to give to the Zionists. The Palestinians fought many times (not violently, mostly through meetings, political debates, etc) and were simply not granted their independence. The Zionists pushed Western governments to support them for no apparent reason as they just wanted to steal the land from people who rightfully lived there. The history of the land from centuries and centuries ago isn't really that relevant.

Last I checked, the jews and the germans had worked out their differences from 60 years ago. So I'm guessing there's one party really that's not too keen on getting along with folks....

what the fuck does this mean? this is completely ridiculous and irrelevant.

Its Evolution Baby

What about the point that the Jews always had a connections to the land?

It's not like they just chose Palestine by drawing out of a hat.

If you were being persecuted from your homes why not retreat to your holy land?

To your argument that the Jews bought up the land, well who sold it to them?

To your argument that the Holocaust wasn't the Palestinians problem, no one said it was but these people still needed a place to migrate to. The US was expensive to travel to, its not like everyone could afford travel expenses especially after having all of there wealth taken from them. I really think you are brushing off the fact that NO ONE wanted the Jewish Immigrants. They were murdered and unwelcome in there homes after the war was over. I don't think anyone should blame them for trying to find a new home in there holy land, especially when they had the support of the US.

Were the Jews wrong for there actions since the migration? Of course no one is arguing that they haven't engaged in some truly despicable behavior. If you hate something don't you do it to definitely applies to Israel in the last 60 years.

But to say this is all one sided is really wrong in my eyes. You have to put yourself in there shoes after WWII and try to understand the pain suffering and loss that they have just went through. I will not fault them for finding a new home in these times.

Byrnzie

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

It should also be noted that war erupted in 1947 AFTER the Arabs rejected the UN's plan for a separate Jewish and Arab state in Palestine. A plan that the Jews were not thrilled with but still accepted.

I wonder if thai was becuse the Jews were allocated 56% of the land and yet there were 1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews?

Hmm, I wonder if you'd be happy if the U.N today gave 56% of the U.S to 500, 000 Tasmanians?

Byrnzie

FiveB247x wrote:

In my opionion there is so much water under the bridge no matter which particular side you "back", but in reality, nowadays, it's become so much more of a cat and mouse and tit-for-tat, that neither side is justified in their actions. Both sides need to make many concessions and adjustments to create a peace - not merely blame the other half because that's all that's occured for 50+ yrs now and hasn't accomplished much but war, dealth and chaos.

This isn't true. The only peace that can be had is for Israel to begin abiding by the international consensus - excluding the U.S - and withdraw from the occupied territories. This is something it could do today, but refuses to do. The occupation is totally gratuitous, and unnecessary.Israel should be subjected to the strictest sanctions in order to get it to comply with international law.

The main obstacle to peace for the past 50+ years has been the U.S government blocking every resolution calling for a two-state settlement.

Its Evolution Baby

Byrnzie wrote:

I wonder if thai was becuse the Jews were allocated 56% of the land and yet there were 1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews?

Hmm, I wonder if you'd be happy if the U.N today gave 56% of the U.S to 500, 000 Tasmanians?

300 Million Americans does not equate to 1.2 million Arabs.

Besides the Jews were already there as they were buying land sold to them by the Palestinians.

They did not invade and occupy the country illegally. They bought up land when they had no where to do in the turmoil of the 30's and 40's.

What they are doing now is illegal and the US shouldn't blindly support Israel like they do but to say its all there fault and the Palestinians are innocent bystanders is not only wrong but ridiculous.

Byrnzie

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

You're right...

Those damn evil Jews.

What about the fact that the land was originally Jewish land that was taken from them by the Roman Empire yet they still made regular pilgrimages to the holy land?

Fine, then give America back to the Indians.

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

What about the fact that Arabs threatened and murdered Jewish Immigrants in the 1930's when they were fleeing Europe due to persecution even before the Nazi's?

That's right. There was violence in Palestine between Muslims and Jews once the Zionists had begun laying claim to Palestinian land and claiming a sovereign Jewish State in Palestine from as early as the 1880's. Up until this time - when Zionism began raising it's ugly head - Jews and Arabs had lived together in peace for hundreds of years.

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

What about the fact that Palestine issued a doctrine blocking all Jewish Immigrants during WWII which led to many more Jews killed in the Holocaust?

Or how about the fact that Jews were no longer allowed in areas of Europe due to WWII? Imagine that you are being murdered and still are blamed for casusing a war.

Then they could have gone elsewhere. America, for example, as thousands of them did. They had no legitimate right to settle in Palestine and establish a sovereign Jewish state there, or anywhere else for that matter. It wasn't about trying to find a safe-haven, it was about the Zionist's ambitions for a sovereign, Jews only state - not too dissimilar to what the Nazis sought for themselves in Europe.

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

To say that this is a one sided issue is just foolish to me.

It is one-sided. The occupation is one-sided. The Jews are illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza. You can try to muddy the water with references to history all you lke. The fact remains that the settlements are illegal, gratuitous, and need to be disbanded.

fuck

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

What about the point that the Jews always had a connections to the land?

It's not like they just chose Palestine by drawing out of a hat.

If you were being persecuted from your homes why not retreat to your holy land?

That's a stupid argument. Their "holy land" is not legally theirs.

To your argument that the Jews bought up the land, well who sold it to them?

the British would seize the land from the Palestinians and sell it.

To your argument that the Holocaust wasn't the Palestinians problem, no one said it was but these people still needed a place to migrate to. The US was expensive to travel to, its not like everyone could afford travel expenses especially after having all of there wealth taken from them.

And Palestine is the only place to go to? plus you overlook the fact that Palestine had actually accepted hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants SINCE BEFORE world war II. World War II did NOT bring the state of Israel about. The Zionist movement began well before it. Connecting World War II to this is ridiculous. Still, however, the Palestinians should NOT be punished for the Holocaust, which they had absolutely nothing to do with. why did no other country accept the Jewish immigrants? the Palestinians already did their share by taking many, but the fact that they were forced to take more just because no one else would is a ridiculous argument.

I really think you are brushing off the fact that NO ONE wanted the Jewish Immigrants. They were murdered and unwelcome in there homes after the war was over.

Again, why must the Palestinians suffer the consequences for something they had nothing to do with?

I don't think anyone should blame them for trying to find a new home in there holy land

what are you talking about? Their holy land was only theirs in their religion. Legally, it belonged to the Palestinians who made up the majority of the population, who had lived their for a while prior to the British seizing hold of it. They also tried to declare independence but this effort was shot down by the British who had plans to change it into a Jewish state BEFORE World War II.

especially when they had the support of the US.

what the fuck does this mean? All of a sudden having the support of the US means you can steal land?

Were the Jews wrong for there actions since the migration? Of course no one is arguing that they haven't engaged in some truly despicable behavior. If you hate something don't you do it to definitely applies to Israel in the last 60 years.

Absolutely.

But to say this is all one sided is really wrong in my eyes. You have to put yourself in there shoes after WWII and try to understand the pain suffering and loss that they have just went through. I will not fault them for finding a new home in these times.

Once again, connecting this to WWII is just illogical. This conflict goes back since before WWII. And the Palestinians, again, should not have to suffer for that.

Its Evolution Baby

They pushed for the independent state after WWII. Before that they were just immigrating to the country.

So the creation of Israel had a lot to do with WWII.

Byrnzie

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Besides the Jews were already there as they were buying land sold to them by the Palestinians.

They did not invade and occupy the country illegally. They bought up land when they had no where to do in the turmoil of the 30's and 40's.

They were buying up land from absentee Ottoman landowners, right. So what? The Zionists had made it perfectly clear that what they were after was Jewish Sovereign state in Palelstine. This was to be a state run by Jews for Jews. How would you expect the native inhabitants to respond to this?

It had nothing to do with the turmoil in the 30's and 40's as the land grab was already underway at the turn of the century, well before the Nazis appeared on the scene.

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Its Evolution Baby wrote:

300 Million Americans does not equate to 1.2 million Arabs.

would you be happier if he said "give 56% of America to 150 million tazmanians"???

Besides the Jews were already there as they were buying land sold to them by the Palestinians.

Many Jewish immigrants were there ILLEGALLY, and I already responded to the incorrect idea that the Palestinians sold them land.

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Its Evolution Baby wrote:

They pushed for the independent state after WWII. Before that they were just immigrating to the country.

This is not true.

So the creation of Israel had a lot to do with WWII.

It definitely helped it come about faster, but the Zionist movement was trying to establish an independent Jewish nation for decades by then.

Its Evolution Baby

The land grab you guys are referring to had more to do with the UK then Palestine.

Still the Jews OWNED the land. Blame the UK.

Blame the US and Truman for signing off on Israel.

Blame Israel for there heinous actions since the creation of the state.

All I have been arguing is that the Palestinians are not the innocent "Natives" that some on this board make them out to be, but I guess it is one sided...

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Its Evolution Baby wrote:

The land grab you guys are referring to had more to do with the UK then Palestine.

Still the Jews OWNED the land. Blame the UK.

Blame the US and Truman for signing off on Israel.

Blame Israel for there heinous actions since the creation of the state.

the Zionist Jews who pushed for the state were the ones pushing for the UK and US to do that. they were the ones committing atrocious acts in Palestine. They were the ones exploiting the holocaust, much like Bush exploits 9/11. That's the truth of it, and you can CERTAINLY blame Israel for much before it's existence (or rather, the Zionists).

All I have been arguing is that the Palestinians are not the innocent "Natives" that some on this board make them out to be, but I guess it is one sided...

1) why the fuck is natives in quotes?
2) They are COMPLETELY innocent, and you have not proven otherwise. until you do, I'm waiting.

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oh and the Jews did not OWN the land at ALL. they owned 6% only. Then the UN Partition Plan that the Jews "reluctantly" accepted gave them 55% of the land... then the Israelis STOLE even MORE.

Its Evolution Baby

_outlaw wrote:

the Zionist Jews who pushed for the state were the ones pushing for the UK and US to do that. they were the ones committing atrocious acts in Palestine. They were the ones exploiting the holocaust, much like Bush exploits 9/11. That's the truth of it, and you can CERTAINLY blame Israel for much before it's existence (or rather, the Zionists).


1) why the fuck is natives in quotes?
2) They are COMPLETELY innocent, and you have not proven otherwise. until you do, I'm waiting.

Because you will never change your mind on this matter. To you its black and white and there is no gray area.

I am ONLY arguing there is a gray area not even if the Jews were more wrong or not.

So you can keep waiting all day for all I care. I have nothing really more to say on this topic.

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Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Because you will never change your mind on this matter. To you its black and white and there is no gray area.

I am ONLY arguing there is a gray area not even if the Jews were more wrong or not.

So you can keep waiting all day for all I care. I have nothing really more to say on this topic.

The problem is that everything you've argued is simply not true. If you begin using facts in your arguments, then maybe you can prove something to me and anyone else reading this.

Why are you done with this? You can't refute anything me or Byrnzie said?

Byrnzie

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

They pushed for the independent state after WWII. Before that they were just immigrating to the country.

So the creation of Israel had a lot to do with WWII.

Not so. You need to read the documentary record. It makes perfectly clear that what they were after was a sovereign Jewish state.


Theodore Herzl - 1896:

'The idea which I have developed in this pamphlet is a very old one: it is the restoration of the Jewish State....Let the sovereignty be granted us over a portion of the globe large enough to satisfy the rightful requirements of a nation, the rest we shall manage for ourselves'.

'When a Zionist delegation appeared on 27th February 1919 before the supreme Allied Council, Weizmann was asked by Lansing, the American secretary of state, what exactly was meant by the phrase "a Jewish national home." Weizmann replied that for the moment an autonomous Jewish government was not wanted, but that he expected that seventy to eighty thousand Jews would emigrate to Palestine annually. Gradually a nation would emerge which would be as Jewish as the French nation is French, and the British nation British. Later, when the Jews formed the large majority, they would establish such a government as would answer to the state of the development of the country and to their ideals'.

'The British were in on the half-hearted deception:

'As Lloyd George made clear, the British government, including himself and Balfour, always understood "a national home for the Jewish people" to mean a Jewish state, and that it used the circumlocution merely to deflect Arab opposition is clear from a memorandum of Herbert Young, a young Foreign Office official, in 1921: the problem of coping with Palestinian opposition "is one of tactics, not strategy, the general strategic idea...being the gradual immigration of Jews into Palestine until that country becomes a predomininantly Jewish state...But it is questionable whether we are in a position to tell the Arabs what out policy really means.'

Byrnzie

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

All I have been arguing is that the Palestinians are not the innocent "Natives" that some on this board make them out to be, but I guess it is one sided...

The Palestinians had done nothing wrong. They were merely trying to live their lives in Palestine, until the Zionists came along looking to dispossess them. The Zionist enterprise was an illegitimate one from the beginning. The Palestinians had no choice but to try to defend themselves.