Dont throw actual history at these people. Their heads are liable to explode.
actual history? you mean the fact that war was not "erupted" after 1947, but that violence had been going on in that region from before due to many Zionist movements??
yeah, I think that's what you mean by ACTUAL history. and good job ignoring the responses to the ridiculous comment you quoted. it makes you seem like you actually know what you're talking about.
"After World War II, Britain was unable to maintain control over Palestine and transferred responsibility to the United Nations (UN). The UN decided that the only means of resolving the escalating conflict between Jews and Arabs was to partition the land into two states. Although Jews constituted only one-third of the population and owned less than 7 percent of the land, the UN partition plan assigned 55 percent of Palestine’s territory to the Jewish state. In March 1948, Zionist forces launched major operations throughout Palestine, committed numerous massacres, destroyed over 500 villages and drove approx 700,000 people from their land.
All serious historians today agree that an ethnic cleansing campaign took place at this time.
The evacuation of the British and the Zionist leaders’ proclamation of the Israeli state on 15 May 1948—forcibly created beyond the area allotted to the Jewish community in the UN partition plan—prompted military intervention by the neighboring Arab states, precipitating the first Arab-Israeli war."
the will of the United Nations? You mean to give Israel half of the land? why would anyone agree to that? if the "will of the United Nations" was to give a minority group in the U.S. half of the land, would you sit by and agree to that?
oh, and the Arabs didn't "wage war" in 1948, Zionist underground movements had been setting bombs and killing many innocent people (while destroying all those villages) while the Arabs were trying for a more peaceful solution, by seeking international help.
Are you that clueless? Not even worthy of a response.
And since Wikipedia seems indisputable on this board consider that the Arabs themselves forced tens of thousands of Jews to leave their countries in 1948 increasing the need to immigrate to Israel.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. A lovely chap. Here he is sitting with another misunderstood leader who really wanted peace but for those damn Jews. He actually assisted Hitler by raising muslim armies to fight in the Balkans and assist in the rounding up of Jews during World War 2. Well before those horrible zionists had to flee for their lives from the gas chambers of Europe.
But yeah, I guess the Palestinians are just misunderstood victims.
an occupation justified from some ancient story book about an invisible man...
I definitely know who the joke is on
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
an occupation justified from some ancient story book about an invisible man...
I definitely know who the joke is on
Sorry pal. You just missed history. Thats cool. I didn't dig chemistry. So I didn't go. I get it. And just for a little historical clarity there was never an Arab country called Palestine. Ever. Show me a map with borders. As for this notion of occupation, where do you find it that Israel is occupying any land called Palestine. In fact, in 1967 the West Bank was Jordan as was East Jerusalem. Gaza was Egypt. So do you consider them occupiers as well? Probably not. Its a jew thing for you.
Sorry pal. You just missed history. Thats cool. I didn't dig chemistry. So I didn't go. I get it. And just for a little historical clarity there was never an Arab country called Palestine. Ever. Show me a map with borders. As for this notion of occupation, where do you find it that Israel is occupying any land called Palestine. In fact, in 1967 the West Bank was Jordan as was East Jerusalem. Gaza was Egypt. So do you consider them occupiers as well? Probably not. Its a jew thing for you.
Oh right, the old the "Palestinians never existed..."
ok...have fun with that.
and good luck with it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And since Wikipedia seems indisputable on this board consider that the Arabs themselves forced tens of thousands of Jews to leave their countries in 1948 increasing the need to immigrate to Israel.
'The concept that Jewish emigrants from Arab lands should be considered refugees has been met with opposition from both Zionist and Non-Zionist circles. Zionist opposition, coming mainly from Israeli Zionist politicians of the Mizrachi Jewish community, contends that it is Zionist ideals that were the driving force behind their emigration to Israel. Anti-Zionist opposition contends that the majority of Arab Jews were not Zionists, but were rather forced to leave by direct and indirect actions of Zionist emissaries.
From the Zionist perspective, for instance, Iraqi-born Ran Cohen, a member of the Knesset (Parliament), said: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee. I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee;" Yemeni-born Yisrael Yeshayahu, former Knesset speaker, Labor Party, stated: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations;" and Iraqi-born Shlomo Hillel, also a former speaker of the Knesset, Labor Party, claimed: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."[77]
On the Anti-Zionist perspective, Iraqi-Born activist Naeim Giladi alleges that Zionist emissaries used violence to engineer the exodus and disrupt coexistence in Iraq. Further support for this claim has been made by Professors Yehouda Shenhav[77] and Ella Shohat.
The type and extent of linkage between the Jewish exodus from Arab lands and the Palestinian Exodus has also been the source of controversy. Advocacy groups have suggested that there are strong ties between the two processes and some of them even claim that decoupling the two issues is unjust.[78][79] Other scholars such as Phillip mendes and David Cesarani reject the comparison and coupling as superficial and is used as an excuse to withhold justice from Palestinians.'
Sorry pal. You just missed history. Thats cool. I didn't dig chemistry. So I didn't go. I get it. And just for a little historical clarity there was never an Arab country called Palestine. Ever. Show me a map with borders. As for this notion of occupation, where do you find it that Israel is occupying any land called Palestine. In fact, in 1967 the West Bank was Jordan as was East Jerusalem. Gaza was Egypt. So do you consider them occupiers as well? Probably not. Its a jew thing for you.
'Prior to the UN General Assembly’s November 1947 decision to partition Palestine, King Abdullah had proposed sending the Arab Legion to defend the Arabs of Palestine. Reacting to the passing of the partition plan, he announced Jordan’s readiness to deploy the full force of the Arab Legion in Palestine. An Arab League meeting held in Amman two days before the expiration of the British mandate concluded that Arab countries would send troops to Palestine to join forces with Jordan’s army.
Immediately after the proclamation of the state of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Iraq sent troops to join with Jordanian forces in order to defend their brethren, the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine...
Of all the Arab armies engaged in the defense of Palestine, the one which defended Arab land most successfully was Jordan’s Arab Legion. With some help from Hashemite Iraq, the Legion succeeded in preserving for the Arabs a major part of their land—the territory subsequently known as the West Bank—along with the Old City of Jerusalem, which the Jews were unable to seize. From the beginning, Jordan’s army faced an uphill battle against Jewish forces which were far superior in number and armament. In addition, the Jordanians had no reserve forces and were hampered by a UN arms embargo which left them perpetually short of ammunition. The relative success enjoyed by the Jordanian forces in the face of overwhelming odds is a tribute to the heroism, discipline and leadership of the Arab Legion.'
'...the only territory to which the new state of Israel had even a remote claim was that alloted to the Jewish state by the UN Partition Plan. But the Zionists had already attacked areas that were alloted to the Palestinian Arab state.
Thirdly, those areas which the Arab states purportedly "invaded" were, in fact, exclusively areas alloted to the Palestinian Arab state proposed by the UN Partition Plan. The so-called Arab invasion was a defensive attempt to hold on to the areas alloted by the Partition Plan for the Palestinian state.
Finally, the commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, was under orders not to enter the areas alloted to the Jewish state (Sir John Bagot Glubb, "The Battle for Jerusalem", Middle East International, May 1973).'
And as for Gaza 'being Egypt'...
During the 1948 war when Arab forces sought to reclaim land allotted to the Palestinians by the U.N partition plan and which had already been captured by Israeli forces, the Egyptians took control of Gaza and ruled the area as a 'protectorate'.
Again: '...those areas which the Arab states purportedly "invaded" were, in fact, exclusively areas alloted to the Palestinian Arab state proposed by the UN Partition Plan. The so-called Arab invasion was a defensive attempt to hold on to the areas alloted by the Partition Plan for the Palestinian state.'
'In 1978, Israel and Egypt signed the historic Camp David Accords (1978) which brought an official end to the strife between them. The second part of the accords was a framework for the establishment of an autonomous regime in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Egypt thus signaled an end to any ambitions to control the Gaza Strip itself; from then on, the Gaza Strip's status would be discussed as part of the more general issue of proposals for a Palestinian state.'
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yeah, I think that's what you mean by ACTUAL history. and good job ignoring the responses to the ridiculous comment you quoted. it makes you seem like you actually know what you're talking about.
:rolleyes:
read a book.
"After World War II, Britain was unable to maintain control over Palestine and transferred responsibility to the United Nations (UN). The UN decided that the only means of resolving the escalating conflict between Jews and Arabs was to partition the land into two states. Although Jews constituted only one-third of the population and owned less than 7 percent of the land, the UN partition plan assigned 55 percent of Palestine’s territory to the Jewish state. In March 1948, Zionist forces launched major operations throughout Palestine, committed numerous massacres, destroyed over 500 villages and drove approx 700,000 people from their land.
All serious historians today agree that an ethnic cleansing campaign took place at this time.
The evacuation of the British and the Zionist leaders’ proclamation of the Israeli state on 15 May 1948—forcibly created beyond the area allotted to the Jewish community in the UN partition plan—prompted military intervention by the neighboring Arab states, precipitating the first Arab-Israeli war."
http://palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1929.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
Those cuddly Arabs.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. A lovely chap. Here he is sitting with another misunderstood leader who really wanted peace but for those damn Jews. He actually assisted Hitler by raising muslim armies to fight in the Balkans and assist in the rounding up of Jews during World War 2. Well before those horrible zionists had to flee for their lives from the gas chambers of Europe.
But yeah, I guess the Palestinians are just misunderstood victims.
an occupation justified from some ancient story book about an invisible man...
I definitely know who the joke is on
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Oh right, the old the "Palestinians never existed..."
ok...have fun with that.
and good luck with it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
From you?
no.
Was there something?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
From your own wiki page:
'The concept that Jewish emigrants from Arab lands should be considered refugees has been met with opposition from both Zionist and Non-Zionist circles. Zionist opposition, coming mainly from Israeli Zionist politicians of the Mizrachi Jewish community, contends that it is Zionist ideals that were the driving force behind their emigration to Israel. Anti-Zionist opposition contends that the majority of Arab Jews were not Zionists, but were rather forced to leave by direct and indirect actions of Zionist emissaries.
From the Zionist perspective, for instance, Iraqi-born Ran Cohen, a member of the Knesset (Parliament), said: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee. I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee;" Yemeni-born Yisrael Yeshayahu, former Knesset speaker, Labor Party, stated: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations;" and Iraqi-born Shlomo Hillel, also a former speaker of the Knesset, Labor Party, claimed: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."[77]
On the Anti-Zionist perspective, Iraqi-Born activist Naeim Giladi alleges that Zionist emissaries used violence to engineer the exodus and disrupt coexistence in Iraq. Further support for this claim has been made by Professors Yehouda Shenhav[77] and Ella Shohat.
The type and extent of linkage between the Jewish exodus from Arab lands and the Palestinian Exodus has also been the source of controversy. Advocacy groups have suggested that there are strong ties between the two processes and some of them even claim that decoupling the two issues is unjust.[78][79] Other scholars such as Phillip mendes and David Cesarani reject the comparison and coupling as superficial and is used as an excuse to withhold justice from Palestinians.'
'Prior to the UN General Assembly’s November 1947 decision to partition Palestine, King Abdullah had proposed sending the Arab Legion to defend the Arabs of Palestine. Reacting to the passing of the partition plan, he announced Jordan’s readiness to deploy the full force of the Arab Legion in Palestine. An Arab League meeting held in Amman two days before the expiration of the British mandate concluded that Arab countries would send troops to Palestine to join forces with Jordan’s army.
Immediately after the proclamation of the state of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Iraq sent troops to join with Jordanian forces in order to defend their brethren, the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine...
Of all the Arab armies engaged in the defense of Palestine, the one which defended Arab land most successfully was Jordan’s Arab Legion. With some help from Hashemite Iraq, the Legion succeeded in preserving for the Arabs a major part of their land—the territory subsequently known as the West Bank—along with the Old City of Jerusalem, which the Jews were unable to seize. From the beginning, Jordan’s army faced an uphill battle against Jewish forces which were far superior in number and armament. In addition, the Jordanians had no reserve forces and were hampered by a UN arms embargo which left them perpetually short of ammunition. The relative success enjoyed by the Jordanian forces in the face of overwhelming odds is a tribute to the heroism, discipline and leadership of the Arab Legion.'
'...the only territory to which the new state of Israel had even a remote claim was that alloted to the Jewish state by the UN Partition Plan. But the Zionists had already attacked areas that were alloted to the Palestinian Arab state.
Thirdly, those areas which the Arab states purportedly "invaded" were, in fact, exclusively areas alloted to the Palestinian Arab state proposed by the UN Partition Plan. The so-called Arab invasion was a defensive attempt to hold on to the areas alloted by the Partition Plan for the Palestinian state.
Finally, the commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, was under orders not to enter the areas alloted to the Jewish state (Sir John Bagot Glubb, "The Battle for Jerusalem", Middle East International, May 1973).'
And as for Gaza 'being Egypt'...
During the 1948 war when Arab forces sought to reclaim land allotted to the Palestinians by the U.N partition plan and which had already been captured by Israeli forces, the Egyptians took control of Gaza and ruled the area as a 'protectorate'.
Again: '...those areas which the Arab states purportedly "invaded" were, in fact, exclusively areas alloted to the Palestinian Arab state proposed by the UN Partition Plan. The so-called Arab invasion was a defensive attempt to hold on to the areas alloted by the Partition Plan for the Palestinian state.'
'In 1978, Israel and Egypt signed the historic Camp David Accords (1978) which brought an official end to the strife between them. The second part of the accords was a framework for the establishment of an autonomous regime in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Egypt thus signaled an end to any ambitions to control the Gaza Strip itself; from then on, the Gaza Strip's status would be discussed as part of the more general issue of proposals for a Palestinian state.'