World War II was unnecessary

fuck

Yes, you read right.

According to HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED's principle, war and oppression can be handled by simply realizing that no one is RIGHT in something. Everyone is wrong. The Allies should have simply told the Nazis to throw their guns in the sea (I guess maybe they'd throw their gas chambers in the sea too?) and just sat together, hav picnics and talk about that one episode of Seinfeld where Jerry and the gang wanted to watch that movie, but just couldn't find eachother in the theater.

Cause in an oppression, it makes no sense to just SIDE with someone. Everyone has to make a concession and just come to peace.

I'm not going to offer a practical solution either. I'm just going to say that war is unnecessary. If it meant decades of more suffering for the Jews, so be it. but fighting is NOT the answer. Maybe the Jews could've performed better nonviolent protests instead of complaining of being killed?

What do you all think? In cases of oppression and occupation, can we really just come together and sing Kumbaya?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

the civil war was unnecessary too. enslavement is preferable to war! if we all just become the peaceful change we want, evil people will see how holy and right we are, and become that way too! Ghandi taught me that, and he's infallible!

for example, look how all the peaceful protests stopped the Iraq War, look how tianenmen square stopped communist oppression in China! look how free Burma is today because of an absolute refusal to take up arms!

Peace must be maintained at all costs, even if that cost is enslavement! Freedom isn't as important as peace! Peace! PEACE!!!!!!!

FiveB247x

Pretty over the top - huh? Why don't you take my point out of context.. oh wait, you just did.

Apples and Oranges - not the same thing in any respect and to try and make some half-assed point by taking my words in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict and apply it to WW2, is merely silly.

cincybearcat

Keep your discussions in the thread, starting another thread about a poster is childish, petty, and just a dumbass thing to do.

If it's attention you want, go find your mama.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

FiveB247x wrote:

Pretty over the top - huh? Why don't you take my point out of context.. oh wait, you just did.

Apples and Oranges - not the same thing in any respect and to try and make some half-assed point by taking my words in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict and apply it to WW2, is merely silly.

yeah? hang around here a little while and see how many people dont think its silly. they pretty much apply that to every war, including WWII. you're right though, it is apples to oranges.

FiveB247x

Just because people say or believe specific things, doesn't give it validity.

fuck

FiveB247x wrote:

Pretty over the top - huh? Why don't you take my point out of context.. oh wait, you just did.

Apples and Oranges - not the same thing in any respect and to try and make some half-assed point by taking my words in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict and apply it to WW2, is merely silly.

How so? I mean, both involve cases of oppression and occupation by a stronger opponent over the other. The only difference is most people just aren't doing anything about the Palestinians. How do you think the Nazi occupation of Europe and it's genocide against the Jews is different than the Israeli occupation of Palestine and the genocide against the Palestinians?

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MrSmith wrote:

yeah? hang around here a little while and see how many people dont think its silly. they pretty much apply that to every war, including WWII. you're right though, it is apples to oranges.

There is a difference, obviously. But not one so striking so as to take a completely different approach to the Israeli-Palestinian situation.

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cincybearcat wrote:

Keep your discussions in the thread, starting another thread about a poster is childish, petty, and just a dumbass thing to do.

If you really want to be specific about it, the other thread was intended to discuss a Palestinian being shot by an Israeli. This thread is to discuss actual solutions to the conflict.

puremagic

_outlaw wrote:

What do you all think? In cases of oppression and occupation, can we really just come together and sing Kumbaya?

In cases of oppression, yes, world reaction can play a definitive role in making peaceful changes. Occupation means force has already be used. Diplomacy should be the first step, however, sometimes force requires force.

bootlegger10

_outlaw wrote:

Yes, you read right.

According to FiveB247x's principle, war and oppression can be handled by simply realizing that no one is RIGHT in something. Everyone is wrong. The Allies should have simply told the Nazis to throw their guns in the sea (I guess maybe they'd throw their gas chambers in the sea too?) and just sat together, hav picnics and talk about that one episode of Seinfeld where Jerry and the gang wanted to watch that movie, but just couldn't find eachother in the theater.

Cause in an oppression, it makes no sense to just SIDE with someone. Everyone has to make a concession and just come to peace.

I'm not going to offer a practical solution either. I'm just going to say that war is unnecessary. If it meant decades of more suffering for the Jews, so be it. but fighting is NOT the answer. Maybe the Jews could've performed better nonviolent protests instead of complaining of being killed?

What do you all think? In cases of oppression and occupation, can we really just come together and sing Kumbaya?

Slow down. I've heard crazy things in my day, but check your facts. Seinfeld wasn't on television during the 1940's. They couldn't have sat at a picnic and talked about Seinfeld. The Allies and the Nazi's talking about Seinfeld....too funny. Do you live in a time warp? Maybe they could have talked about calling people out on a message board and making it personal, but again, computers did not exists back then.

bootlegger10

_outlaw wrote:

If you really want to be specific about it, the other thread was intended to discuss a Palestinian being shot by an Israeli. This thread is to discuss actual solutions to the conflict.

Well, at least quote the other poster's comment instead of just trashing the poster. You obviously just wanted to be sarcastic, so you should have kept it to the other thread. If you wanted a serious discussion, then you should have started with a serious first post, and then led into your sarcasm later on in the thread.

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bootlegger10 wrote:

Slow down. I've heard crazy things in my day, but check your facts. Seinfeld wasn't on television during the 1940's. They couldn't have sat at a picnic and talked about Seinfeld. The Allies and the Nazi's talking about Seinfeld....too funny. Do you live in a time warp? Maybe they could have talked about calling people out on a message board and making it personal, but again, computers did not exists back then.

It was a joke. As for making it personal, this isn't personal at all. I'm referring to what he said should happen, and I think people could either elaborate on what he said if they agree, or disagree with it.

Other than that, I'd still like to hear an actual solution to the conflict from him or someone who agrees with him... I mean, who knows, it might actually be a very good solution...

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

If you really want to be specific about it, the other thread was intended to discuss a Palestinian being shot by an Israeli. This thread is to discuss actual solutions to the conflict.

No, it was an attempt to call out Five...just call it like it is. PM him if you want to , but this is juvenile.

bootlegger10

_outlaw wrote:

It was a joke. As for making it personal, this isn't personal at all. I'm referring to what he said should happen, and I think people could either elaborate on what he said if they agree, or disagree with it.

Other than that, I'd still like to hear an actual solution to the conflict from him or someone who agrees with him... I mean, who knows, it might actually be a very good solution...

I was just mocking the Seinfeld joke, that's all.

FiveB247x

Becasue one issue, conflict or problem requires one method of logic or rational to fix it, doesn't mean every issue, conflict or problem should be the same. Each one is different and complex in its own ways. To try and generalize such things is silly.

fuck

bootlegger10 wrote:

Well, at least quote the other poster's comment instead of just trashing the poster. You obviously just wanted to be sarcastic, so you should have kept it to the other thread. If you wanted a serious discussion, then you should have started with a serious first post, and then led into your sarcasm later on in the thread.

Thanks for the advice, I think I'm just a terrible person.

As for actual solutions, I haven't heard any yet. If the poster wants to defend his position, I'd be happy to edit my first post and write his solution in it.

fuck

FiveB247x wrote:

Becasue one issue, conflict or problem requires one method of logic or rational to fix it, doesn't mean every issue, conflict or problem should be the same. Each one is different and complex in its own ways. To try and generalize such things is silly.

Alright, so what do you suggest is the best solution to the conflict?

FiveB247x

Are you referring to WW2 or Israle and Palestine? If it's the second, we already have a thread discussing this. As for WW2, all the same issues which caused WW1 basically caused the 2nd.

_outlaw wrote:

Alright, so what do you suggest is the best solution to the conflict?

fuck

FiveB247x wrote:

Are you referring to WW2 or Israle and Palestine? If it's the second, we already have a thread discussing this. As for WW2, all the same issues which caused WW1 basically caused the 2nd.

So far, I've seen nothing offered. I've seen that you said "both sides need to make concessions", but I mean a full detailed plan. Who do you think should do what first?

bootlegger10

_outlaw wrote:

Thanks for the advice, I think I'm just a terrible person.

As for actual solutions, I haven't heard any yet. If the poster wants to defend his position, I'd be happy to edit my first post and write his solution in it.

I am a terrible person too. It's okay.