An Interesting angle on the Columbine thing

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.

Not if the walls where refurbished there wouldn't be. I believe, and don't quote me on this, that the Auschwitz site sat abandoned for decades until it was restored for the museum. Many of the building where reduced down to the foundation.

Also, for arguments sake, let's say the walls at Auschwitz are the original walls. Just because zyklon residue was not found there does not mean that tit wasn't used at many of the other camps.

macgyver06

my2hands wrote:

this coming from the guy that said he wished iran would hurry up and wipe israel off the map...

it takes time, but people show their true colors eventually

fiction can be fun

my2hands

macgyver06 wrote:

fiction can be fun

nice try, you said it amd meant it....


thats ok, slowly some folks around here are being exposed

MakingWaves

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.

Anything you read that goes against mainstream thinking you take as fact. You really amaze me sometimes but I have called you out before for hating Jews and this just proves my point even further. You keep listening to your hero Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"There have been claims by Holocaust deniers that the gas chambers which mainstream historians believe were for the massacre of civilians never existed, but rather that the structures identified as gas chambers actually served other purposes. These other purposes include delousing and disinfection. A similar argument is sometimes used that claims gas was not used to murder Jews and other victims, and that many gas chambers were also built after the war just for show. A document advancing this theory is the "Leuchter Report" by Fred A. Leuchter, a paper stating that only traces of cyanide were found when he examined samples taken from one of the Auschwitz gas chambers in 1988. This is often cited as evidence that gas was not used in the chambers, as no trace amounts remain. Despite the difficulty of finding traces of this material 50 years later, in February, 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Institute of Forensic Research in Kraków, redid the analysis.[33] Markiewicz and his team used microdiffusion techniques to test for cyanide in samples from the suspected gas chambers, from delousing chambers, and from control areas elsewhere within Auschwitz. The control samples tested negative, while cyanide residue was found in high concentrations in the delousing chambers, and lower concentrations in the homicidal gas chambers. This is consistent with the amounts required to kill lice and humans.[34]

The search for cyanide in the bricks of buildings said to be gas chambers was important, because the pesticide Zyklon B would generate such a residue. This was the gas most often cited as the instrument of death for prisoners in the gas chambers, supported by both testimony and evidence collected of Nazi policy.

Another claim made by Holocaust deniers is that there were no vents in the gas chambers through which Zyklon B could be inserted[35]. The BBC offers a response showing that this requires disregard of much documentation:

Deniers have said for years that physical evidence is lacking because they have seen no holes in the roof of the Birkenau gas chamber where the Zyklon was poured in. (In some of the gas chambers the Zyklon B was poured in through the roof, while in others it was thrown in through the windows.) The roof was dynamited at war's end, and today lies broken in pieces, but three of the four original holes were positively identified in a recent paper. Their location in the concrete matches with eyewitness testimony, aerial photos from 1944, and a ground photo from 1943. The physical evidence shows unmistakably that the Zyklon holes were cast into the concrete when the building was constructed.[36"

I agree with an earlier post. Get up the nerve to go talk to a person who actually survived the Holocaust instead of reading this bullshit you read.

I had put a picture up here to show how sick these people were but took it down because it just doesn't seem right.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Man a lot of hard asses on this site lately...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MakingWaves wrote:

Anything you read that goes against mainstream thinking you take as fact. You really amaze me sometimes but I have called you out before for hating Jews and this just proves my point even further. You keep listening to your hero Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"There have been claims by Holocaust deniers that the gas chambers which mainstream historians believe were for the massacre of civilians never existed, but rather that the structures identified as gas chambers actually served other purposes. These other purposes include delousing and disinfection. A similar argument is sometimes used that claims gas was not used to murder Jews and other victims, and that many gas chambers were also built after the war just for show. A document advancing this theory is the "Leuchter Report" by Fred A. Leuchter, a paper stating that only traces of cyanide were found when he examined samples taken from one of the Auschwitz gas chambers in 1988. This is often cited as evidence that gas was not used in the chambers, as no trace amounts remain. Despite the difficulty of finding traces of this material 50 years later, in February, 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Institute of Forensic Research in Kraków, redid the analysis.[33] Markiewicz and his team used microdiffusion techniques to test for cyanide in samples from the suspected gas chambers, from delousing chambers, and from control areas elsewhere within Auschwitz. The control samples tested negative, while cyanide residue was found in high concentrations in the delousing chambers, and lower concentrations in the homicidal gas chambers. This is consistent with the amounts required to kill lice and humans.[34]

The search for cyanide in the bricks of buildings said to be gas chambers was important, because the pesticide Zyklon B would generate such a residue. This was the gas most often cited as the instrument of death for prisoners in the gas chambers, supported by both testimony and evidence collected of Nazi policy.

Another claim made by Holocaust deniers is that there were no vents in the gas chambers through which Zyklon B could be inserted[35]. The BBC offers a response showing that this requires disregard of much documentation:

Deniers have said for years that physical evidence is lacking because they have seen no holes in the roof of the Birkenau gas chamber where the Zyklon was poured in. (In some of the gas chambers the Zyklon B was poured in through the roof, while in others it was thrown in through the windows.) The roof was dynamited at war's end, and today lies broken in pieces, but three of the four original holes were positively identified in a recent paper. Their location in the concrete matches with eyewitness testimony, aerial photos from 1944, and a ground photo from 1943. The physical evidence shows unmistakably that the Zyklon holes were cast into the concrete when the building was constructed.[36"

I agree with an earlier post. Get up the nerve to go talk to a person who actually survived the Holocaust instead of reading this bullshit you read.

I had put a picture up here to show how sick these people were but took it down because it just doesn't seem right.

I could say the same about you in whatever context it needed to be put in... ho hum.

link your sources to above pls

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I could say the same about you in whatever context it needed to be put in... ho hum.

link your sources to above pls

i knew it all along...


you're Mel Gibson

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

i knew it all along...


you're Mel Gibson

well....someone has to be dammit...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I could say the same about you in whatever context it needed to be put in... ho hum.

link your sources to above pls

Why don't you do the same. Provide a link to your sources so we can see it for ourselves. Also a lot of the fire behind the Holocaust exaggeration movement was the fact that Polish and Soviets authorities placed a plague at Auschwitz stating that 4 million Jews where killed there. It was these authorities who over estimated the number killed. After the fall of the Iron Curtain the plague was removed and a new one, with a more accurate number of killed, was placed in it's stead. It is this inconsistancy that fuels the exaggeration theory.

my2hands

i could write an article saying the sun doesnt exist and that it is a conspiracy, and some people around here would take it as fact and probably post it

lazymoon13

my2hands wrote:

i could write an article saying the sun doesnt exist and that it is a conspiracy, and some people around here would take it as fact and probably post it

its called youtube.com

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Why don't you do the same. Provide a link to your sources so we can see it for ourselves. Also a lot of the fire behind the Holocaust exaggeration movement was the fact that Polish and Soviets authorities placed a plague at Auschwitz stating that 4 million Jews where killed there. It was these authorities who over estimated the number killed. After the fall of the Iron Curtain the plague was removed and a new one, with a more accurate number of killed, was placed in it's stead. It is this inconsistancy that fuels the exaggeration theory.

I'm referring to the findings of David Cole.

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

i could write an article saying the sun doesnt exist and that it is a conspiracy, and some people around here would take it as fact and probably post it

Yes, lets all post absurd statements and use it to discredit people who believe differently. You have learned well.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

this thread is hilarious. the jews are responsible for Columbine? this is a new standard by which all other conspiracy threads will be judged. congratulations.

RainDog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm referring to the findings of David Cole.

Some - um - interesting stuff comes up when you google that name.

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

happened or was exaggerated?

My dad, aunt and uncle, who are survivors, all agree that it wasn't exaggerated.

Academic scepticism can be healthy, but the pattern of blind faith you seem to put in your conspiracy theories is simply a form of ignorance.

lazymoon13

MrSmith wrote:

this thread is hilarious. the jews are responsible for Columbine? this is a new standard by which all other conspiracy threads will be judged. congratulations.

lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.

blackredyellow

lazymoon13 wrote:

lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.

Of course he won't come out and just say what he believes (whatever that may be)... he just answers things with questions or says that he is posting/repeating off-the-wall things as "interesting to read about"...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm referring to the findings of David Cole.

The David Cole who in 1998 publicaly recanted all his statements about the Holocaust and has since come out and stated that there where indeed gas chambers employed by the Nazi's to exterminate Jews. That David Cole.

Nevermind

lazymoon13 wrote:

lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.

Im pretty sure he believes that it happened AND was exaggerated. You guys sur elove to take things out of context. Im pretty sure calling someone a fuckstick isnt acceptable. People have been banned for less.