An Interesting angle on the Columbine thing

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Its much easier for him to voice his hate through the extreme words of others.

Its healthy to question history, but he takes it to the point of just being vastly antisocial. Perhaps he is so unloved that he likes to look for ways to be different.

I disagree, You are favoring emotional retaliation towards me over progressive thought.

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It amazes me when some people don't even know the circumstances but comment as though they do anyway... :rolleyes:

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1998/zg9809/980912.html

I know who Ernst Zundel is, and remember being troubled that he could be deported from the US to Canada to Germany where he's rotting in jail, just for publishing things. BUT I do not think of him or his website as any sort of credible source. So to quote a Holocaust denier (and he clearly is one) as a defense of a Holocaust revisionist like Cole is goofy. Zundel wrote such masterpieces as "The Hitler We Loved and Why" and "Did Six Million Really Die?" Excellent source of information there, Roland.

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I disagree, You are favoring emotional retaliation towards me over progressive thought.

Believing radical opinions does not make someone a progressive thinker.

You give yourself way too much credit.

Cosmo

hailhailkc wrote:

Cosmo, you are the man! I saw you changed your sig! LOL!!! Awesome!

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A Tribute to you, Bro.
Your guys earned it... that was a GREAT fucking game!!!

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Ok. Idiocy confirmed.

Do all your relatives believe the gassing was to the extent it was?

My relatives haven't discussed any differing theories.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I disagree, You are favoring emotional retaliation towards me over progressive thought.

Progressive thought. So the writings of David Irving and Ernst Zündel is progressive thought. Tell me isn't it true that David Irving was found to have been using forged documents in his source materials in order to support his stance. And Zundel was a huge supporter, and publisher, of Richard Harwood works, Harwood who was a neo-nazi leader in Britian.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jeffbr wrote:

I know who Ernst Zundel is, and remember being troubled that he could be deported from the US to Canada to Germany where he's rotting in jail, just for publishing things. BUT I do not think of him or his website as any sort of credible source. So to quote a Holocaust denier (and he clearly is one) as a defense of a Holocaust revisionist like Cole is goofy. Zundel wrote such masterpieces as "The Hitler We Loved and Why" and "Did Six Million Really Die?" Excellent source of information there, Roland.

But look at what you just said.

He just raises the questions because of some scientific findings on museum pieces.....and down comes the hammer. Freedom of speech, none.

Why beat people up, jail , threaten, and discredit people for looking into the incident forensically with modern science? We trust these methods elsewhere to determine reality? Why not in this case?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Believing radical opinions does not make someone a progressive thinker.

You give yourself way too much credit.

Factual scientific findings were made to prove holocaust exaggeration. How is that radical?

Please tell me.

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

But look at what you just said.

Right. I am not into jailing people for saying stupid shit. I am for making fun of people saying stupid shit, though. And Zundel has said his share of stupid shit. So in addition to believing he shouldn't be jailed, I also believe that nobody should use him as a credible source for anything.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

wrong...it's pulled from the documentary. Inside connotation.

Doesn't matter where it came from. The fact that these men, and I use that term loosely, would even consider calling the Museum at Auschwitz a fucking theme park clearly shows how disturbed they are.

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Factual scientific findings were made to prove holocaust exaggeration. How is that radical?

Please tell me.

How do you know they were factual findings? Did one of your "heros" say they were true?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Progressive thought. So the writings of David Irving and Ernst Zündel is progressive thought. Tell me isn't it true that David Irving was found to have been using forged documents in his source materials in order to support his stance. And Zundel was a huge supporter, and publisher, of Richard Harwood works, Harwood who was a neo-nazi leader in Britian.

aghh.. deconstruction of words...

progressive to the the discussion rather than degenerating into argumentative ad-hominem insult tossing.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

How do you know they were factual findings? Did one of your "heros" say they were true?

Anytime you want to cut the condescending a** part feel free.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Factual scientific findings were made to prove holocaust exaggeration. How is that radical?

Please tell me.

Just because the bar of soap and the lampshade at the Auschwitz museum where not made from Jewish remains doesn't mean that items like that where not manufactered during the holocaust.

If I walked into a museum and ran tests on one of their dinosaur exhibits and found that the fossil was actually made of plaster does that mean that dinosaurs never existed That all we know about them is an exaggeration simply because the one or two fossils I examined happened to be fake replicas.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

aghh.. deconstruction of words...

progressive to the the discussion rather than degenerating into argumentative ad-hominem insult tossing.

Well clarify that then. The way your post was worded it insinuated that you believed theses men to be progressive thinkers.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

this thread is like beating up a puppy. there is no sport in it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Well clarify that then. The way your post was worded it insinuated that you believed theses men to be progressive thinkers.

Progressive in the sense that if you find out new (controversial) information contrary to what was previously thought, it merits further investigation rather than then opposite based on ingrained beliefs. Like the saying...however wives tales got started in the first place. War and propaganda go together very well.

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Progressive in the sense that if you find out new (controversial) information contrary to what was previously thought, it merits further investigation rather than then opposite based on ingrained beliefs. Like the saying...however wives tales got started in the first place. War and propaganda go together very well.

there is a huge difference between uncovering new information and merely making sensational statements simply to be different.

Coming up with lame conspiracy theories is far from progressive..its more of a sign that you can't disprove a theory, and instead, make unbelievable assertions.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

there is a huge difference between uncovering new information and merely making sensational statements simply to be different.

Coming up with lame conspiracy theories is far from progressive..its more of a sign that you can't disprove a theory, and instead, make unbelievable assertions.

Yeah Probably. Have you seen Cole's Documentary already?

JOEJOEJOE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Anytime you want to cut the condescending a** part feel free.

Condescending ass?

Can someone here create a website that says "Joe is not a condescending ass" ??..maybe then, Roland will discover that his theory about me is wrong.