An Interesting angle on the Columbine thing

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69charger wrote:

You are seriously fucked in the head.

How so?

Anon

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

That page had music? my browser didn't play it.

it plays 'bad moon rising' (credence song) in an upbeat tempo.

macgyver06

lazymoon13 wrote:

he asked you if it happened. do you believe it did? since the rest of us know it did, not sure how you can think it was exaggerated. millions of jews died. thats a fact. a fact that has been proven. and now you are reaching far enough to blame this tragedy on the jews. you are a textbook anti-semite plain and simple.

you dont know what a text book is..you arent fooling anyone

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

happened or was exaggerated?

You can't possibly believe that the detail we have of the Holocaust where exaggerated. As Cosmo stated the Nazi's where meticulous when it came to documenting their activities. Every horror, every gassing, every mass grave was documented by those sick bastards. What happened to the Jews, and many other ethnic groups, under the Nazis is a tragedy of the grandest proportions and even entertaining the thought that it didn't happen or that it was exaggerated is shear stupidity.

mammasan

macgyver06 wrote:

you dont know what a text book is..you arent fooling anyone

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you shouldn't talk.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

69charger wrote:

You are seriously fucked in the head.

If you want to look into it, you will find the same thing.

lazymoon13

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If you want to look into it, you will find the same thing.

look into what exactly? that it never happened? that only 4 million died instead of 6 million? 69charger could not have said it any better.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

You can't possibly believe that the detail we have of the Holocaust where exaggerated. As Cosmo stated the Nazi's where meticulous when it came to documenting their activities. Every horror, every gassing, every mass grave was documented by those sick bastards. What happened to the Jews, and many other ethnic groups, under the Nazis is a tragedy of the grandest proportions and even entertaining the thought that it didn't happen or that it was exaggerated is shear stupidity.

Look into some of the revisionist claims.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lazymoon13 wrote:

look into what exactly? that it never happened? that only 4 million died instead of 6 million? 69charger could not have said it any better.

Skin tatoos, gas chambers, how they operated, who died of gassing v.s. disease.

look into it...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

... you guys are so obvious and predictable it's quite sad... to say that something is an "interesting angle" all of a sudden means you agree with it... like i said, quite sad.

I'll have to agree with that.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Look into some of the revisionist claims.

Trust me I have studied, to great lengths, that era in World History. I have seen a good deal of original documentation from the holocaust during my employ with YIVO. I'm not saying that I am an expert but I have read enough diverse material to be damn sure that what transpired was not exaggerated.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Trust me I have studied, to great lengths, that era in World History. I have seen a good deal of original documentation from the holocaust during my employ with YIVO. I'm not saying that I am an expert but I have read enough diverse material to be damn sure that what transpired was not exaggerated.

You'll need to look at holocaust revisionism in particular. There are some serious issues with the gas chamber at Auschwitz amongst other things. Some claims were proven outright false like human soap and lampshade tattoos. It's not conjecture, there was exaggeration.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You'll need to look at holocaust revisionism in particular. There are some serious issues with the gas chamber at Auschwitz amongst other things. Some claims were proven outright false like human soap and skin tatoos. It's not conjecture, there was exaggeration.

I really don't care wether the Nazi's made soup out of dead Jews or not. Wether x amount died from malnutrion or the gas chamber. Wether they where tattooed or not. You can debate all of this till you are blue in the face, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Nazi's are responsible for the senseless murder of about 6 million Jews. That fact is non-debatable. That fact is not exaggerated and that is what counts.

lazymoon13

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Skin tatoos, gas chambers, how they operated, who died of gassing v.s. disease.

look into it...

ok I'll look into. do you think the holocaust is exaggerated?

ajedigecko

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

happened or was exaggerated?

regardless of your perception........find a holocaust survivor and discuss the details with him or her.
i do not think you are that courageous to hold such a discussion and i do not need to know you on a personal level to formulate this fact.

my2hands

macgyver06 wrote:

you dont know what a text book is..you arent fooling anyone

this coming from the guy that said he wished iran would hurry up and wipe israel off the map...

it takes time, but people show their true colors eventually

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

I really don't care wether the Nazi's made soup out of dead Jews or not. Wether x amount died from malnutrion or the gas chamber. Wether they where tattooed or not. You can debate all of this till you are blue in the face, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Nazi's are responsible for the senseless murder of about 6 million Jews. That fact is non-debatable. That fact is not exaggerated and that is what counts.

Granted the Nazi's are responsible, however the manner in which people died needs to be considered. How many died of disease and starvation rather than being gassed to death? There was no soap made from the people. There were no lampshades made from their skin as trophy pieces.

The vents in the roof of the gas chamber (to systematically drop the gas in) at Auschwitz were built AFTER the war. ..... I'm still shaking my head at this one.

No traces of gas were found on the walls inside the gas chamber, yet the delousing chambers measured zyklon gas off the charts, It seems a lot of zyklon gas was used to keep clothes and other items sanitary.

I'd be curious to see how much was from natural disease and starvation as a prisoner of war v.s. the strictly business slaughterhouse ideology.

One would think there would only be kitchen facilities for the guards if this was the case.

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Why are we only discussing the amount of jews who died at the time, there were millions of other people who died in those camps, why they are they never mentioned?

Also do you think all the war propaganda that has been put out is all true? Because it isn't, alot of what has been said will have been exaggerated and taught as fact when it is far from it.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Granted the Nazi's are responsible, however the manner in which people died needs to be considered. How many died of disease and starvation rather than being gassed to death? There was no soap made from the people. There were no lampshades made from their skin as trophy pieces.

The vents in the roof of the gas chamber (to systematically drop the gas in) at Auschwitz were built AFTER the war. ..... I'm still shaking my head at this one.

No traces of gas were found on the walls inside the gas chamber, yet the delousing chambers measured zyklon gas off the charts, It seems a lot of zyklon gas was used to keep clothes and other items sanitary.

I'd be curious to see how much was from natural disease and starvation as a prisoner of war v.s. the strictly business slaughterhouse ideology.

One would thing there would only be kitchen facilities for the guards if this was the case.

Are you serious? Nazi documentation states that they experimented first with Carbon Monoxide but found it to be too inefficient so they started using zyklon. This is not some zionist propaganda but Nazi documents. Also what difference does it make if they died from starvation, disease, or gassing. The Nazi's treated these people like animals, barely fed them, barely clothed them during the cold months. They created the conditions which allowed them to die from starvation and disease. As to the vents from Auschwitz, that is one camp out of how many. Many of the buildings at Auschwitz where rebuild/refurbished many years after the war in order to make the site a museum. That can easily explain the newer vents or the lack of gas resin on the walls.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Are you serious? Nazi documentation states that they experimented first with Carbon Monoxide but found it to be too inefficient so they started using zyklon. This is not some zionist propaganda but Nazi documents. Also what difference does it make if they died from starvation, disease, or gassing. The Nazi's treated these people like animals, barely fed them, barely clothed them during the cold months. They created the conditions which allowed them to die from starvation and disease. As to the vents from Auschwitz, that is one camp out of how many. Many of the buildings at Auschwitz where rebuild/refurbished many years after the war in order to make the site a museum. That can easily explain the newer vents or the lack of gas resin on the walls.

I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.