Trust me I have studied, to great lengths, that era in World History. I have seen a good deal of original documentation from the holocaust during my employ with YIVO. I'm not saying that I am an expert but I have read enough diverse material to be damn sure that what transpired was not exaggerated.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Trust me I have studied, to great lengths, that era in World History. I have seen a good deal of original documentation from the holocaust during my employ with YIVO. I'm not saying that I am an expert but I have read enough diverse material to be damn sure that what transpired was not exaggerated.
You'll need to look at holocaust revisionism in particular. There are some serious issues with the gas chamber at Auschwitz amongst other things. Some claims were proven outright false like human soap and lampshade tattoos. It's not conjecture, there was exaggeration.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You'll need to look at holocaust revisionism in particular. There are some serious issues with the gas chamber at Auschwitz amongst other things. Some claims were proven outright false like human soap and skin tatoos. It's not conjecture, there was exaggeration.
I really don't care wether the Nazi's made soup out of dead Jews or not. Wether x amount died from malnutrion or the gas chamber. Wether they where tattooed or not. You can debate all of this till you are blue in the face, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Nazi's are responsible for the senseless murder of about 6 million Jews. That fact is non-debatable. That fact is not exaggerated and that is what counts.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
regardless of your perception........find a holocaust survivor and discuss the details with him or her.
i do not think you are that courageous to hold such a discussion and i do not need to know you on a personal level to formulate this fact.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
I really don't care wether the Nazi's made soup out of dead Jews or not. Wether x amount died from malnutrion or the gas chamber. Wether they where tattooed or not. You can debate all of this till you are blue in the face, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Nazi's are responsible for the senseless murder of about 6 million Jews. That fact is non-debatable. That fact is not exaggerated and that is what counts.
Granted the Nazi's are responsible, however the manner in which people died needs to be considered. How many died of disease and starvation rather than being gassed to death? There was no soap made from the people. There were no lampshades made from their skin as trophy pieces.
The vents in the roof of the gas chamber (to systematically drop the gas in) at Auschwitz were built AFTER the war. ..... I'm still shaking my head at this one.
No traces of gas were found on the walls inside the gas chamber, yet the delousing chambers measured zyklon gas off the charts, It seems a lot of zyklon gas was used to keep clothes and other items sanitary.
I'd be curious to see how much was from natural disease and starvation as a prisoner of war v.s. the strictly business slaughterhouse ideology.
One would think there would only be kitchen facilities for the guards if this was the case.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why are we only discussing the amount of jews who died at the time, there were millions of other people who died in those camps, why they are they never mentioned?
Also do you think all the war propaganda that has been put out is all true? Because it isn't, alot of what has been said will have been exaggerated and taught as fact when it is far from it.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Granted the Nazi's are responsible, however the manner in which people died needs to be considered. How many died of disease and starvation rather than being gassed to death? There was no soap made from the people. There were no lampshades made from their skin as trophy pieces.
The vents in the roof of the gas chamber (to systematically drop the gas in) at Auschwitz were built AFTER the war. ..... I'm still shaking my head at this one.
No traces of gas were found on the walls inside the gas chamber, yet the delousing chambers measured zyklon gas off the charts, It seems a lot of zyklon gas was used to keep clothes and other items sanitary.
I'd be curious to see how much was from natural disease and starvation as a prisoner of war v.s. the strictly business slaughterhouse ideology.
One would thing there would only be kitchen facilities for the guards if this was the case.
Are you serious? Nazi documentation states that they experimented first with Carbon Monoxide but found it to be too inefficient so they started using zyklon. This is not some zionist propaganda but Nazi documents. Also what difference does it make if they died from starvation, disease, or gassing. The Nazi's treated these people like animals, barely fed them, barely clothed them during the cold months. They created the conditions which allowed them to die from starvation and disease. As to the vents from Auschwitz, that is one camp out of how many. Many of the buildings at Auschwitz where rebuild/refurbished many years after the war in order to make the site a museum. That can easily explain the newer vents or the lack of gas resin on the walls.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Are you serious? Nazi documentation states that they experimented first with Carbon Monoxide but found it to be too inefficient so they started using zyklon. This is not some zionist propaganda but Nazi documents. Also what difference does it make if they died from starvation, disease, or gassing. The Nazi's treated these people like animals, barely fed them, barely clothed them during the cold months. They created the conditions which allowed them to die from starvation and disease. As to the vents from Auschwitz, that is one camp out of how many. Many of the buildings at Auschwitz where rebuild/refurbished many years after the war in order to make the site a museum. That can easily explain the newer vents or the lack of gas resin on the walls.
I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.
Not if the walls where refurbished there wouldn't be. I believe, and don't quote me on this, that the Auschwitz site sat abandoned for decades until it was restored for the museum. Many of the building where reduced down to the foundation.
Also, for arguments sake, let's say the walls at Auschwitz are the original walls. Just because zyklon residue was not found there does not mean that tit wasn't used at many of the other camps.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.
Anything you read that goes against mainstream thinking you take as fact. You really amaze me sometimes but I have called you out before for hating Jews and this just proves my point even further. You keep listening to your hero Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"There have been claims by Holocaust deniers that the gas chambers which mainstream historians believe were for the massacre of civilians never existed, but rather that the structures identified as gas chambers actually served other purposes. These other purposes include delousing and disinfection. A similar argument is sometimes used that claims gas was not used to murder Jews and other victims, and that many gas chambers were also built after the war just for show. A document advancing this theory is the "Leuchter Report" by Fred A. Leuchter, a paper stating that only traces of cyanide were found when he examined samples taken from one of the Auschwitz gas chambers in 1988. This is often cited as evidence that gas was not used in the chambers, as no trace amounts remain. Despite the difficulty of finding traces of this material 50 years later, in February, 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Institute of Forensic Research in Kraków, redid the analysis.[33] Markiewicz and his team used microdiffusion techniques to test for cyanide in samples from the suspected gas chambers, from delousing chambers, and from control areas elsewhere within Auschwitz. The control samples tested negative, while cyanide residue was found in high concentrations in the delousing chambers, and lower concentrations in the homicidal gas chambers. This is consistent with the amounts required to kill lice and humans.[34]
The search for cyanide in the bricks of buildings said to be gas chambers was important, because the pesticide Zyklon B would generate such a residue. This was the gas most often cited as the instrument of death for prisoners in the gas chambers, supported by both testimony and evidence collected of Nazi policy.
Another claim made by Holocaust deniers is that there were no vents in the gas chambers through which Zyklon B could be inserted[35]. The BBC offers a response showing that this requires disregard of much documentation:
Deniers have said for years that physical evidence is lacking because they have seen no holes in the roof of the Birkenau gas chamber where the Zyklon was poured in. (In some of the gas chambers the Zyklon B was poured in through the roof, while in others it was thrown in through the windows.) The roof was dynamited at war's end, and today lies broken in pieces, but three of the four original holes were positively identified in a recent paper. Their location in the concrete matches with eyewitness testimony, aerial photos from 1944, and a ground photo from 1943. The physical evidence shows unmistakably that the Zyklon holes were cast into the concrete when the building was constructed.[36"
I agree with an earlier post. Get up the nerve to go talk to a person who actually survived the Holocaust instead of reading this bullshit you read.
I had put a picture up here to show how sick these people were but took it down because it just doesn't seem right.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Anything you read that goes against mainstream thinking you take as fact. You really amaze me sometimes but I have called you out before for hating Jews and this just proves my point even further. You keep listening to your hero Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"There have been claims by Holocaust deniers that the gas chambers which mainstream historians believe were for the massacre of civilians never existed, but rather that the structures identified as gas chambers actually served other purposes. These other purposes include delousing and disinfection. A similar argument is sometimes used that claims gas was not used to murder Jews and other victims, and that many gas chambers were also built after the war just for show. A document advancing this theory is the "Leuchter Report" by Fred A. Leuchter, a paper stating that only traces of cyanide were found when he examined samples taken from one of the Auschwitz gas chambers in 1988. This is often cited as evidence that gas was not used in the chambers, as no trace amounts remain. Despite the difficulty of finding traces of this material 50 years later, in February, 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Institute of Forensic Research in Kraków, redid the analysis.[33] Markiewicz and his team used microdiffusion techniques to test for cyanide in samples from the suspected gas chambers, from delousing chambers, and from control areas elsewhere within Auschwitz. The control samples tested negative, while cyanide residue was found in high concentrations in the delousing chambers, and lower concentrations in the homicidal gas chambers. This is consistent with the amounts required to kill lice and humans.[34]
The search for cyanide in the bricks of buildings said to be gas chambers was important, because the pesticide Zyklon B would generate such a residue. This was the gas most often cited as the instrument of death for prisoners in the gas chambers, supported by both testimony and evidence collected of Nazi policy.
Another claim made by Holocaust deniers is that there were no vents in the gas chambers through which Zyklon B could be inserted[35]. The BBC offers a response showing that this requires disregard of much documentation:
Deniers have said for years that physical evidence is lacking because they have seen no holes in the roof of the Birkenau gas chamber where the Zyklon was poured in. (In some of the gas chambers the Zyklon B was poured in through the roof, while in others it was thrown in through the windows.) The roof was dynamited at war's end, and today lies broken in pieces, but three of the four original holes were positively identified in a recent paper. Their location in the concrete matches with eyewitness testimony, aerial photos from 1944, and a ground photo from 1943. The physical evidence shows unmistakably that the Zyklon holes were cast into the concrete when the building was constructed.[36"
I agree with an earlier post. Get up the nerve to go talk to a person who actually survived the Holocaust instead of reading this bullshit you read.
I had put a picture up here to show how sick these people were but took it down because it just doesn't seem right.
I could say the same about you in whatever context it needed to be put in... ho hum.
link your sources to above pls
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I could say the same about you in whatever context it needed to be put in... ho hum.
link your sources to above pls
Why don't you do the same. Provide a link to your sources so we can see it for ourselves. Also a lot of the fire behind the Holocaust exaggeration movement was the fact that Polish and Soviets authorities placed a plague at Auschwitz stating that 4 million Jews where killed there. It was these authorities who over estimated the number killed. After the fall of the Iron Curtain the plague was removed and a new one, with a more accurate number of killed, was placed in it's stead. It is this inconsistancy that fuels the exaggeration theory.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
i could write an article saying the sun doesnt exist and that it is a conspiracy, and some people around here would take it as fact and probably post it
i could write an article saying the sun doesnt exist and that it is a conspiracy, and some people around here would take it as fact and probably post it
Why don't you do the same. Provide a link to your sources so we can see it for ourselves. Also a lot of the fire behind the Holocaust exaggeration movement was the fact that Polish and Soviets authorities placed a plague at Auschwitz stating that 4 million Jews where killed there. It was these authorities who over estimated the number killed. After the fall of the Iron Curtain the plague was removed and a new one, with a more accurate number of killed, was placed in it's stead. It is this inconsistancy that fuels the exaggeration theory.
I'm referring to the findings of David Cole.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i could write an article saying the sun doesnt exist and that it is a conspiracy, and some people around here would take it as fact and probably post it
Yes, lets all post absurd statements and use it to discredit people who believe differently. You have learned well.
this thread is hilarious. the jews are responsible for Columbine? this is a new standard by which all other conspiracy threads will be judged. congratulations.
this thread is hilarious. the jews are responsible for Columbine? this is a new standard by which all other conspiracy threads will be judged. congratulations.
lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.
lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.
Of course he won't come out and just say what he believes (whatever that may be)... he just answers things with questions or says that he is posting/repeating off-the-wall things as "interesting to read about"...
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The David Cole who in 1998 publicaly recanted all his statements about the Holocaust and has since come out and stated that there where indeed gas chambers employed by the Nazi's to exterminate Jews. That David Cole.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.
Im pretty sure he believes that it happened AND was exaggerated. You guys sur elove to take things out of context. Im pretty sure calling someone a fuckstick isnt acceptable. People have been banned for less.
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Trust me I have studied, to great lengths, that era in World History. I have seen a good deal of original documentation from the holocaust during my employ with YIVO. I'm not saying that I am an expert but I have read enough diverse material to be damn sure that what transpired was not exaggerated.
You'll need to look at holocaust revisionism in particular. There are some serious issues with the gas chamber at Auschwitz amongst other things. Some claims were proven outright false like human soap and lampshade tattoos. It's not conjecture, there was exaggeration.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I really don't care wether the Nazi's made soup out of dead Jews or not. Wether x amount died from malnutrion or the gas chamber. Wether they where tattooed or not. You can debate all of this till you are blue in the face, but it still doesn't change the fact that the Nazi's are responsible for the senseless murder of about 6 million Jews. That fact is non-debatable. That fact is not exaggerated and that is what counts.
ok I'll look into. do you think the holocaust is exaggerated?
i do not think you are that courageous to hold such a discussion and i do not need to know you on a personal level to formulate this fact.
this coming from the guy that said he wished iran would hurry up and wipe israel off the map...
it takes time, but people show their true colors eventually
Granted the Nazi's are responsible, however the manner in which people died needs to be considered. How many died of disease and starvation rather than being gassed to death? There was no soap made from the people. There were no lampshades made from their skin as trophy pieces.
The vents in the roof of the gas chamber (to systematically drop the gas in) at Auschwitz were built AFTER the war. ..... I'm still shaking my head at this one.
No traces of gas were found on the walls inside the gas chamber, yet the delousing chambers measured zyklon gas off the charts, It seems a lot of zyklon gas was used to keep clothes and other items sanitary.
I'd be curious to see how much was from natural disease and starvation as a prisoner of war v.s. the strictly business slaughterhouse ideology.
One would think there would only be kitchen facilities for the guards if this was the case.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Also do you think all the war propaganda that has been put out is all true? Because it isn't, alot of what has been said will have been exaggerated and taught as fact when it is far from it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Are you serious? Nazi documentation states that they experimented first with Carbon Monoxide but found it to be too inefficient so they started using zyklon. This is not some zionist propaganda but Nazi documents. Also what difference does it make if they died from starvation, disease, or gassing. The Nazi's treated these people like animals, barely fed them, barely clothed them during the cold months. They created the conditions which allowed them to die from starvation and disease. As to the vents from Auschwitz, that is one camp out of how many. Many of the buildings at Auschwitz where rebuild/refurbished many years after the war in order to make the site a museum. That can easily explain the newer vents or the lack of gas resin on the walls.
I hear what you're saying, but then there should probably be a fairly dense (or at least measurable) layering of zylkon on the walls which there does not seem to be.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Not if the walls where refurbished there wouldn't be. I believe, and don't quote me on this, that the Auschwitz site sat abandoned for decades until it was restored for the museum. Many of the building where reduced down to the foundation.
Also, for arguments sake, let's say the walls at Auschwitz are the original walls. Just because zyklon residue was not found there does not mean that tit wasn't used at many of the other camps.
fiction can be fun
nice try, you said it amd meant it....
thats ok, slowly some folks around here are being exposed
Anything you read that goes against mainstream thinking you take as fact. You really amaze me sometimes but I have called you out before for hating Jews and this just proves my point even further. You keep listening to your hero Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"There have been claims by Holocaust deniers that the gas chambers which mainstream historians believe were for the massacre of civilians never existed, but rather that the structures identified as gas chambers actually served other purposes. These other purposes include delousing and disinfection. A similar argument is sometimes used that claims gas was not used to murder Jews and other victims, and that many gas chambers were also built after the war just for show. A document advancing this theory is the "Leuchter Report" by Fred A. Leuchter, a paper stating that only traces of cyanide were found when he examined samples taken from one of the Auschwitz gas chambers in 1988. This is often cited as evidence that gas was not used in the chambers, as no trace amounts remain. Despite the difficulty of finding traces of this material 50 years later, in February, 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Institute of Forensic Research in Kraków, redid the analysis.[33] Markiewicz and his team used microdiffusion techniques to test for cyanide in samples from the suspected gas chambers, from delousing chambers, and from control areas elsewhere within Auschwitz. The control samples tested negative, while cyanide residue was found in high concentrations in the delousing chambers, and lower concentrations in the homicidal gas chambers. This is consistent with the amounts required to kill lice and humans.[34]
The search for cyanide in the bricks of buildings said to be gas chambers was important, because the pesticide Zyklon B would generate such a residue. This was the gas most often cited as the instrument of death for prisoners in the gas chambers, supported by both testimony and evidence collected of Nazi policy.
Another claim made by Holocaust deniers is that there were no vents in the gas chambers through which Zyklon B could be inserted[35]. The BBC offers a response showing that this requires disregard of much documentation:
Deniers have said for years that physical evidence is lacking because they have seen no holes in the roof of the Birkenau gas chamber where the Zyklon was poured in. (In some of the gas chambers the Zyklon B was poured in through the roof, while in others it was thrown in through the windows.) The roof was dynamited at war's end, and today lies broken in pieces, but three of the four original holes were positively identified in a recent paper. Their location in the concrete matches with eyewitness testimony, aerial photos from 1944, and a ground photo from 1943. The physical evidence shows unmistakably that the Zyklon holes were cast into the concrete when the building was constructed.[36"
I agree with an earlier post. Get up the nerve to go talk to a person who actually survived the Holocaust instead of reading this bullshit you read.
I had put a picture up here to show how sick these people were but took it down because it just doesn't seem right.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I could say the same about you in whatever context it needed to be put in... ho hum.
link your sources to above pls
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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i knew it all along...
you're Mel Gibson
well....someone has to be dammit...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Why don't you do the same. Provide a link to your sources so we can see it for ourselves. Also a lot of the fire behind the Holocaust exaggeration movement was the fact that Polish and Soviets authorities placed a plague at Auschwitz stating that 4 million Jews where killed there. It was these authorities who over estimated the number killed. After the fall of the Iron Curtain the plague was removed and a new one, with a more accurate number of killed, was placed in it's stead. It is this inconsistancy that fuels the exaggeration theory.
its called youtube.com
I'm referring to the findings of David Cole.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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My dad, aunt and uncle, who are survivors, all agree that it wasn't exaggerated.
Academic scepticism can be healthy, but the pattern of blind faith you seem to put in your conspiracy theories is simply a form of ignorance.
lol no shit. and even better it turned into this fuckstick admitting he doesnt think the holocaust happened. well maybe a jews died of starvation. no big whoop.
Of course he won't come out and just say what he believes (whatever that may be)... he just answers things with questions or says that he is posting/repeating off-the-wall things as "interesting to read about"...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln