Obama: Bush Senior “did an excellent job when it came to the Gulf War"

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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    so you would rather sit back and do nothing while iraq invades a non agressive Kuwait and then invaids a non aggresive saudi arabia and take control of the majority of middle east oil? i will not say i am a fan of war, ever, but i do understand that you cannot let massive invasion and aggressive regimes take over an entire region by force and just sit back and do nothing.

    You're right I do agree with you for a change regarding a thread about war ... lol.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MrSmith wrote:
    so anti-war is the same as absolute pacifism? in that case i'm not anti-war. some war is justifiable, or in your words "rational"


    that's what anti means
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Some people call other views crazy

    Other people call some views ignorant and stupid

    why don't we just cut the crap, stop labeling each other and debate the points without the need to attack one's character in place of not having anything of substance to counter back with.

    i didnt realize i was debating with him. i'm allowed to base my opinions of people on their views. And i'm dead serious when i say that it wouldnt suprise me if a couple of people around here fucking snap and do something crazy. its that bizarre here sometimes. The chances of a few people here being actual lunatics is frighteningly real. My comment wasn't just an insult.

    but i dont think you are one of them, if that makes you feel better :)
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    that's what anti means

    fair enough. Personally i think i can be anti one war and pro another and it doesnt make me a warmonger, but think what you'd like.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MrSmith wrote:
    large numbers of people dont die in war? thats why war sucks, hence the phrase "war is hell"
    large numbers? you realize i am talking about 1 MILLION civilians, 500 000 of whom are children, dying. we started wars in a couple countries due to 4000 US civilians dying, but 1 mil iraqi civilians dying can somehow be deemed as "necessary." what a joke!
    my2hands wrote:
    when did israel attempt to take over the entire middle east?
    they attacked egypt, syria, and lebanon and occupied land from all 3 countries... that's not even mentioning palestine, of course.
    but back to the origianl question, whish is not about israel at all.
    actually, it is definitely related to it, as I have already shown.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MrSmith wrote:
    i didnt realize i was debating with him. i'm allowed to base my opinions of people on their views. And i'm dead serious when i say that it wouldnt suprise me if a couple of people around here fucking snap and do something crazy. its that bizarre here sometimes. The chances of a few people here being actual lunatics is frighteningly real. My comment wasn't just an insult.

    but i dont think you are one of them, if that makes you feel better :)


    Well when you say *runs the asylum* it seems to be pointing to more than just a couple of people. But say whatever you want...all I'm saying is it turns these
    threads into pissing matches and to me it seems to indicate a lacking somewhere to feel the urge to discredit a person's points by attacking who they are instead of what they said.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MrSmith wrote:
    fair enough. Personally i think i can be anti one war and pro another and it doesnt make me a warmonger, but think what you'd like.

    Of course you can be anti one war and pro another...but that doesn't make you anti the concept of war which is what anti-war means to me, personally.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    large numbers? you realize i am talking about 1 MILLION civilians, 500 000 of whom are children, dying. we started wars in a couple countries due to 4000 US civilians dying, but 1 mil iraqi civilians dying can somehow be deemed as "necessary." what a joke!

    .

    i was talking about the first war, not this one. 1 million deaths (or whatever the number is) from this war wasn't justified, not even close. Where as most of the millions of deaths caused by the allies in WWII, for example, were sadly necessary and unpreventable.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MrSmith wrote:
    i was talking about the first war, not this one.
    so was I... the first war resulted in UN sanctions pushed by the US which caused 1 million deaths... 500 000 of whom were children...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    no, we are not the world police. were we the world police on the 1940's? no, but that didnt stop us from joining a "just" cause and war
    actually, it did. we only joined the war because it directly affected us once we were bombed....
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    so was I... the first war resulted in UN sanctions pushed by the US which caused 1 million deaths... 500 000 of whom were children...

    thats because sanctions are stupid and dont work. but i dont remember going to war the first time over the death of 4000 americans.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MrSmith wrote:
    thats because sanctions are stupid and dont work. but i dont remember going to war the first time over the death of 4000 americans.
    oh, sorry, I see how you got confused. I was comparing them, but didn't point out which war I was talking about...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    being "anti-war" has never stopped a war...

    you think the Kuwaiti civilians were "anti war" when the tanks rolled across the border? and did that stop the fuckign tanks from rolling across the border?

    americans get to comment from the saftey of their computer screen, mostly doing absolutely NOTHING to stop the war they despise. i assume it all changes when you have an tank batallion rolling down your street
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    they attacked egypt, syria, and lebanon and occupied land from all 3 countries... that's not even mentioning palestine, of course.


    i think you should take a second look at the history of isreal and the israeli/arab wars... israel was attacked in the first 4 major wars she was invloved in. sorry, but if you attack me first, i am going to knock your teeth out and not apologize for it. if it was not for America the arab states would have literally pushed israel into the sea and wiped it off the map.

    why do so many poeple have such a skewed version of the hostoric isreali/arab conflicts?

    it seems more and more of the internet enlightenment crowd beleieves israel is to blame for all of the worlds problems...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    being "anti-war" has never stopped a war...

    It didn't start any.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    George H.W. Bush DID do an excellent job with the first Gulf War.
    He assembled a good team.
    Built a real coalition of nations, including Arab states.
    Allowed the Vietnam veterans, Colin Powell (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs) and Gen. N.Swartzkopf develop the battle plan, scenarios, probable outcomes, contingency plans and valid exit strategies... not the civilian cabinet appointees (Sec. Of Defense - Dick Chaney).
    A well defined military objective (Ejecting Iraqi military from Kuwait).
    A fully developed and well executed battle plan.
    ...
    And did not listen to the tools and morons who thought we should chase the Iraqi forces into Baghdad to 'Finish the Job'. He understood that changing the military objective would change the entire war... the coaliton would have split (because they would not have agreed with taking on Iraq, in Iraq)... the outcome would result in an occupation... and a weakened Iraq results in a stronger Iran.
    ...
    No matter what you feel about president G.H.W. Bush... the 1991 Gulf War was a lesson his fucking idiot, piece of shit son should have learned.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    i think you should take a second look at the history of isreal and the israeli/arab wars... israel was attacked in the first 4 major wars she was invloved in. sorry, but if you attack me first, i am going to knock your teeth out and not apologize for it. if it was not for America the arab states would have literally pushed israel into the sea and wiped it off the map.
    i'll stop pursuing another israel-palestine argument, but i can't believe you still don't believe that israel started the 1948/1967 wars... several links have been posted on this site to show that...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    i'll stop pursuing another israel-palestine argument, but i can't believe you still don't believe that israel started the 1948/1967 wars... several links have been posted on this site to show that...

    I agree. There has been more than enough posted to back this view up.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Cosmo wrote:
    No matter what you feel about president G.H.W. Bush... the 1991 Gulf War was a lesson his fucking idiot, piece of shit son should have learned.

    haha well said.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I agree. There has been more than enough posted to back this view up.

    yeah, they were overwhelming :rolleyes:


    i read them. and they didnt even come close to overturning the historical views and facts of those wars held by almost 99% of the historian world

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