you think the Kuwaiti civilians were "anti war" when the tanks rolled across the border? and did that stop the fuckign tanks from rolling across the border?
americans get to comment from the saftey of their computer screen, mostly doing absolutely NOTHING to stop the war they despise. i assume it all changes when you have an tank batallion rolling down your street
they attacked egypt, syria, and lebanon and occupied land from all 3 countries... that's not even mentioning palestine, of course.
i think you should take a second look at the history of isreal and the israeli/arab wars... israel was attacked in the first 4 major wars she was invloved in. sorry, but if you attack me first, i am going to knock your teeth out and not apologize for it. if it was not for America the arab states would have literally pushed israel into the sea and wiped it off the map.
why do so many poeple have such a skewed version of the hostoric isreali/arab conflicts?
it seems more and more of the internet enlightenment crowd beleieves israel is to blame for all of the worlds problems...
George H.W. Bush DID do an excellent job with the first Gulf War.
He assembled a good team.
Built a real coalition of nations, including Arab states.
Allowed the Vietnam veterans, Colin Powell (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs) and Gen. N.Swartzkopf develop the battle plan, scenarios, probable outcomes, contingency plans and valid exit strategies... not the civilian cabinet appointees (Sec. Of Defense - Dick Chaney).
A well defined military objective (Ejecting Iraqi military from Kuwait).
A fully developed and well executed battle plan.
...
And did not listen to the tools and morons who thought we should chase the Iraqi forces into Baghdad to 'Finish the Job'. He understood that changing the military objective would change the entire war... the coaliton would have split (because they would not have agreed with taking on Iraq, in Iraq)... the outcome would result in an occupation... and a weakened Iraq results in a stronger Iran.
...
No matter what you feel about president G.H.W. Bush... the 1991 Gulf War was a lesson his fucking idiot, piece of shit son should have learned.
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Hail, Hail!!!
i think you should take a second look at the history of isreal and the israeli/arab wars... israel was attacked in the first 4 major wars she was invloved in. sorry, but if you attack me first, i am going to knock your teeth out and not apologize for it. if it was not for America the arab states would have literally pushed israel into the sea and wiped it off the map.
i'll stop pursuing another israel-palestine argument, but i can't believe you still don't believe that israel started the 1948/1967 wars... several links have been posted on this site to show that...
i'll stop pursuing another israel-palestine argument, but i can't believe you still don't believe that israel started the 1948/1967 wars... several links have been posted on this site to show that...
I agree. There has been more than enough posted to back this view up.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
George H.W. Bush DID do an excellent job with the first Gulf War.
He assembled a good team.
Built a real coalition of nations, including Arab states.
Allowed the Vietnam veterans, Colin Powell (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs) and Gen. N.Swartzkopf develop the battle plan, scenarios, probable outcomes, contingency plans and valid exit strategies... not the civilian cabinet appointees (Sec. Of Defense - Dick Chaney).
A well defined military objective (Ejecting Iraqi military from Kuwait).
A fully developed and well executed battle plan.
...
And did not listen to the tools and morons who thought we should chase the Iraqi forces into Baghdad to 'Finish the Job'. He understood that changing the military objective would change the entire war... the coaliton would have split (because they would not have agreed with taking on Iraq, in Iraq)... the outcome would result in an occupation... and a weakened Iraq results in a stronger Iran.
...
No matter what you feel about president G.H.W. Bush... the 1991 Gulf War was a lesson his fucking idiot, piece of shit son should have learned.
this is dead on... not to mentionm the fact that this was authorized by the UN and had massive world wide support. for good reason.
some wars have to be fought people. that doesnt make me a bad guy or a war monger for pointing out that glaring little fact... if a madman kicks in your door waving a gun at your family, and you have a gun to deter/stop him, what are you going to do? if that is me he is one dead motherfucker, without apology. i hate guns and hate violence, but that is just what i would have to do.
You're not anti-war if you keep rationalizing war.. .
That's what everyone says even Bush....that they hate war but view this war as necessary because of such and such.
Can you not see that?
And people call me crazy, but my first impressions of the guy are holding up better than ever apparently.
Same with a lot of other scenarios that people use to call conspiracy over the years, but no longer. Less and less as time goes on. So I guess I 'm a crazy person that seems to be able to depict what is eventually accepted as reality over time.
must be an incredibly long string of lucky coincidences....I should buy a stack of lottery tickets soon..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And people call me crazy, but my first impressions of the guy are holding up better than ever apparently.
Same with a lot of other scenarios that people use to call conspiracy over the years, but no longer. Less and less as time goes on. So I guess I 'm a crazy person that seems to be able to depict what is eventually accepted as reality over time.
must be an incredibly long string of lucky coincidences....I should buy a stack of lottery tickets soon..
Roland, you are a visionary! Seriously though, I do find you to be quite perceptual.
Let me in on your lottery numbers.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
George H.W. Bush DID do an excellent job with the first Gulf War.
He assembled a good team.
Built a real coalition of nations, including Arab states.
Allowed the Vietnam veterans, Colin Powell (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs) and Gen. N.Swartzkopf develop the battle plan, scenarios, probable outcomes, contingency plans and valid exit strategies... not the civilian cabinet appointees (Sec. Of Defense - Dick Chaney).
A well defined military objective (Ejecting Iraqi military from Kuwait).
A fully developed and well executed battle plan.
...
And did not listen to the tools and morons who thought we should chase the Iraqi forces into Baghdad to 'Finish the Job'. He understood that changing the military objective would change the entire war... the coaliton would have split (because they would not have agreed with taking on Iraq, in Iraq)... the outcome would result in an occupation... and a weakened Iraq results in a stronger Iran.
...
No matter what you feel about president G.H.W. Bush... the 1991 Gulf War was a lesson his fucking idiot, piece of shit son should have learned.
One could say that, but the reality is it opened the door, and brought us exactly to where we are today. Bravo.
Good war eh? yeah awesome...can't wait for the next escalation to happen. (cough PNAC....)
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Roland, you are a visionary! Seriously though, I do find you to be quite perceptual.
Let me in on your lottery numbers.
thx, you're too kind.
It must be tinfoil, it's all prickly on my head and it tingles which probably stimulates everything. I switched to Alcan aluminum foil for those wanting to try it. It could also be that I posses a decent level of intuition and read a lot.....but heh that's just crazy talk.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the first Iraq war was executed perfectly, so good for Obama.
you may find that this statement is quite debatable and is in fact NOT "common historical knowledge". Iraq was "tricked" into going to war? They had no inclination towards war without us? Once again, this board loves to put the blame for every single evil act on the globe squarely at the feet of AMerica. what a joke.
Saddam was a pawn who thought he was a king...he got played.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
SO, AS I ASKED A LITTLE EARLIER, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST GULF WAR? FORGET THE CONSPIRACY THAT AMERICAN TRICKD THEM INTO INVADING KUWAIT FOR A SECOND... WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMERICA'S ROLE IN IT? THANK YOU
It must be tinfoil, it's all prickly on my head and it tingles which probably stimulates everything. I switched to Alcan aluminum foil for those wanting to try it. It could also be that I posses a decent level of intuition and read a lot.....but heh that's just crazy talk.
Intuition! :eek: You mystic, you!
I couldn't make out all you were saying about the aluminum foil...I had Alex Jones blaring too loudly from my headphones. It was distracting me.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
the first Iraq war has about as much to do witht the second as 9/11 did: 0%
Face value in the media it didn't ...interests wise....different story. You won't hear about those closed door meetings anytime soon. Is the existence of PNAC nothing to some people?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
SO, AS I ASKED A LITTLE EARLIER, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST GULF WAR? FORGET THE CONSPIRACY THAT AMERICAN TRICKD THEM INTO INVADING KUWAIT FOR A SECOND... WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMERICA'S ROLE IN IT? THANK YOU
youch all caps...
Easy man don't have a meltdown...
Was Saddam in the CIA? Did the US give weapons to Iraq to attack Iran?
You think it's all separate realties with no connections?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Was Saddam in the CIA? Did the US give weapons to Iraq to attack Iran?
You think it's all separate realties with no connections?
SO, AS I ASKED A LITTLE EARLIER, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST GULF WAR? FORGET THE CONSPIRACY THAT AMERICAN TRICKD THEM INTO INVADING KUWAIT FOR A SECOND... WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMERICA'S ROLE IN IT? THANK YOU
quick question, what did america stand to gain from "playing" Saddam into invading Kuwait?
Iraq = Boom for starters...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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thats because sanctions are stupid and dont work. but i dont remember going to war the first time over the death of 4000 americans.
you think the Kuwaiti civilians were "anti war" when the tanks rolled across the border? and did that stop the fuckign tanks from rolling across the border?
americans get to comment from the saftey of their computer screen, mostly doing absolutely NOTHING to stop the war they despise. i assume it all changes when you have an tank batallion rolling down your street
i think you should take a second look at the history of isreal and the israeli/arab wars... israel was attacked in the first 4 major wars she was invloved in. sorry, but if you attack me first, i am going to knock your teeth out and not apologize for it. if it was not for America the arab states would have literally pushed israel into the sea and wiped it off the map.
why do so many poeple have such a skewed version of the hostoric isreali/arab conflicts?
it seems more and more of the internet enlightenment crowd beleieves israel is to blame for all of the worlds problems...
It didn't start any.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He assembled a good team.
Built a real coalition of nations, including Arab states.
Allowed the Vietnam veterans, Colin Powell (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs) and Gen. N.Swartzkopf develop the battle plan, scenarios, probable outcomes, contingency plans and valid exit strategies... not the civilian cabinet appointees (Sec. Of Defense - Dick Chaney).
A well defined military objective (Ejecting Iraqi military from Kuwait).
A fully developed and well executed battle plan.
...
And did not listen to the tools and morons who thought we should chase the Iraqi forces into Baghdad to 'Finish the Job'. He understood that changing the military objective would change the entire war... the coaliton would have split (because they would not have agreed with taking on Iraq, in Iraq)... the outcome would result in an occupation... and a weakened Iraq results in a stronger Iran.
...
No matter what you feel about president G.H.W. Bush... the 1991 Gulf War was a lesson his fucking idiot, piece of shit son should have learned.
Hail, Hail!!!
I agree. There has been more than enough posted to back this view up.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
haha well said.
yeah, they were overwhelming :rolleyes:
i read them. and they didnt even come close to overturning the historical views and facts of those wars held by almost 99% of the historian world
this is dead on... not to mentionm the fact that this was authorized by the UN and had massive world wide support. for good reason.
some wars have to be fought people. that doesnt make me a bad guy or a war monger for pointing out that glaring little fact... if a madman kicks in your door waving a gun at your family, and you have a gun to deter/stop him, what are you going to do? if that is me he is one dead motherfucker, without apology. i hate guns and hate violence, but that is just what i would have to do.
That's your opinion to have, though I continue to disagree as does Zinn and Chomsky to name a few noteable people...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
tell that to the 6 billion other people... so hopefully we can avoid the future wars tha tare coming
I try.
Be the change you wish to see in the world ~ Gandhi
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And people call me crazy, but my first impressions of the guy are holding up better than ever apparently.
Same with a lot of other scenarios that people use to call conspiracy over the years, but no longer. Less and less as time goes on. So I guess I 'm a crazy person that seems to be able to depict what is eventually accepted as reality over time.
must be an incredibly long string of lucky coincidences....I should buy a stack of lottery tickets soon..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Roland, you are a visionary! Seriously though, I do find you to be quite perceptual.
Let me in on your lottery numbers.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
One could say that, but the reality is it opened the door, and brought us exactly to where we are today. Bravo.
Good war eh? yeah awesome...can't wait for the next escalation to happen. (cough PNAC....)
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
thx, you're too kind.
It must be tinfoil, it's all prickly on my head and it tingles which probably stimulates everything. I switched to Alcan aluminum foil for those wanting to try it. It could also be that I posses a decent level of intuition and read a lot.....but heh that's just crazy talk.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
the first Iraq war has about as much to do witht the second as 9/11 did: 0%
right...
Saddam was a pawn who thought he was a king...he got played.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Intuition! :eek: You mystic, you!
I couldn't make out all you were saying about the aluminum foil...I had Alex Jones blaring too loudly from my headphones. It was distracting me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Face value in the media it didn't ...interests wise....different story. You won't hear about those closed door meetings anytime soon. Is the existence of PNAC nothing to some people?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
right... everything is a conspiracy
quick question, what did america stand to gain from "playing" Saddam into invading Kuwait?
youch all caps...
Easy man don't have a meltdown...
Was Saddam in the CIA? Did the US give weapons to Iraq to attack Iran?
You think it's all separate realties with no connections?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
SO, AS I ASKED A LITTLE EARLIER, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST GULF WAR? FORGET THE CONSPIRACY THAT AMERICAN TRICKD THEM INTO INVADING KUWAIT FOR A SECOND... WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMERICA'S ROLE IN IT? THANK YOU
Iraq = Boom for starters...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Boom? what boom? gaspar? kaboom? what boom are you refering to
anything else?
yeah, it was formed in the late 90's during the clinton years... well after the 1st Gulf war