Obama: Bush Senior “did an excellent job when it came to the Gulf War"
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I don't know what's more messed up....the candidate or his followers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-F_-5san-Q
"Barack Obama began sketching the outlines of his expected presidential contest against John McCain Saturday, saying he hopes to pursue a foreign policy that is comparable to how President George H.W. Bush handled the Gulf War. (May 11) "
"In the video here, Barack Obama tells us he believes George Bush Senior “did an excellent job when it came to the Gulf War” and this serves as a “model for how we should be operating.” In addition to Obama’s praise for slaughter and untold suffering, the presidential candidate told his audience the first Bush administration had engaged in “incredible and hard diplomatic negotiation,” a declaration that is completely at odds with reality.
In fact, the United States had long planned to attack Iraq, years before Saddam invaded Kuwait for stealing its oil by way of slant drilling and violating OPEC oil production agreements, thus undercutting the price of oil in order to destroy Iraq’s economy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-F_-5san-Q
"Barack Obama began sketching the outlines of his expected presidential contest against John McCain Saturday, saying he hopes to pursue a foreign policy that is comparable to how President George H.W. Bush handled the Gulf War. (May 11) "
"In the video here, Barack Obama tells us he believes George Bush Senior “did an excellent job when it came to the Gulf War” and this serves as a “model for how we should be operating.” In addition to Obama’s praise for slaughter and untold suffering, the presidential candidate told his audience the first Bush administration had engaged in “incredible and hard diplomatic negotiation,” a declaration that is completely at odds with reality.
In fact, the United States had long planned to attack Iraq, years before Saddam invaded Kuwait for stealing its oil by way of slant drilling and violating OPEC oil production agreements, thus undercutting the price of oil in order to destroy Iraq’s economy."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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you may find that this statement is quite debatable and is in fact NOT "common historical knowledge". Iraq was "tricked" into going to war? They had no inclination towards war without us? Once again, this board loves to put the blame for every single evil act on the globe squarely at the feet of AMerica. what a joke.
I have a hard time believing that someone like Sadaam, who rose to power like he did, would be duped that easily...
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Look to be an effective president you have to do what is best for the country and you have to work with both sides. I am encouraged that Obama is able to acknowledge some of the things hes agrees with on the Conservative side. Maybe he can end the 16 years of bipartisanship this country has had since the Republicans started the jihad against Clinton followed by the Democrats spending 8 years attacking Bush.
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large numbers of people dont die in war? thats why war sucks, hence the phrase "war is hell", and why war should seldom ( but not never) be fought. I dont believe in fighting a war at half strength. when the decision for war is made you throw everything you have at the enemy until they surrender, to do less is incredibly foolish and risks annihilation. so yes, i suppose my comment is in a certain context.
The first war was well planned and executed with vast world support. The current war is terribly planned, executed, and with hardly any support ( never mind the fact it was completely unneccessary).
And all Saddam had to do was leave Kuwait. war averted. I suppose next someone will tell me that the US was secretly telling Saddam we were just bluffing while publically preparing for war across the border.
so you would rather sit back and do nothing while iraq invades a non agressive Kuwait and then invaids a non aggresive saudi arabia and take control of the majority of middle east oil? i will not say i am a fan of war, ever, but i do understand that you cannot let massive invasion and aggressive regimes take over an entire region by force and just sit back and do nothing. just like i think the USA should be stopped in its quest for middle east hegemony,i believe any aggressive country should be stopped, by any means neccessary.
what do you propose should have been done?
i see alot of people omplaining around here lately and using conspiracy propaganda to fuel their message, but then not be able to give viable options or realistic critique on what should have been done
the FAR left continues to try and paint Obama as a corporate manchurian candidate that is really a war monger in disguise that will expand the current wars...
while the FAR right tries to paint him as a far leftist radical based on his relations with a fiery pastor and a 60's radical William Ayers and the militant "weather underground"
so which is it folks? is Obama a war monger that has us all fooled, or is he an extreme leftist that surrounds himself with radicals? :rolleyes:
As far as what should have been done about the invasion of Kuwait....
Do you support the US as world police?
Why not wait for UN direction? ....or better yet, let the countries that were directly threatened by Iraqi invasion do the dirty work.
This statement reads to me as, "I'm not a fan of war, but war for oil is ok". How often does the US do nothing in the same circumstance, when there is no oil involved?
.....By any means necessary? Most of the 'means' available to these countries are considered terrorist activities.....IED's, hijacked planes, suicide/car bombs...are you saying you support the use of these things against the US, because it's an aggressor?....or justifying the US's aggression towards Iraq the first time 'round? Either way....without clarification it sounds hypocritical to me.
when did israel attempt to take over the entire middle east?
but back to the origianl question, whish is not about israel at all. what would you do about iraq invading its neighbors in the early 90's?
the funny thing is that i am about as anti war as you can get, but that doesnt mean that i am blind and foolish
no, we are not the world police. were we the world police on the 1940's? no, but that didnt stop us from joining a "just" cause and war
1. obviously you dont know that kuwait was defensleless, as was saudi arabia, against the military strength of Iraq.
2nd. does anyone know what they are talkign about around here anymore? The UN authorized the action against iraq in the first gulf war... it was carried out by coalition forces from over 30 countries. after ecominic sanctions were imposed and did not work.
um, yeah, ok. i have never said that and never will.
like in WW2? perhaps you missed the forst gulf war? when the whole world was up in arms? and was terrified that iraq was about to dominate the middle east and take her neighbors by force? or perhaops you are underestimating the chaos that woukld be caused by iraq under hussein taking control of 50% of the world oil reserves. that is a global problem, because the entire fuckign globe runs on ths shit, not just america.
i may be a pacifist for the most part, but i will not let a bully attack me or friend/family or a weaker person. if a bully attacks me, i am going to knock his fucking teeth out. take that how you want to take that.
i subscribe to the gandhi scool of thought, and believe in the power of direct peaceful disobedience. but flowers never stopped a tank.
or do they get all their info from alex jones and horsehit youtube conpiracy vidoes? seriosuly folks.
No, only you and people you agree with know anything.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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did you just get here?
You're not anti-war if you keep rationalizing war.. .
That's what everyone says even Bush....that they hate war but view this war as necessary because of such and such.
Can you not see that?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
so anti-war is the same as absolute pacifism? in that case i'm not anti-war. some war is justifiable, or in your words "rational"
Some people call other views crazy
Other people call some views ignorant and stupid
why don't we just cut the crap, stop labeling each other and debate the points without the need to attack one's character in place of not having anything of substance to counter back with.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You're right I do agree with you for a change regarding a thread about war ... lol.
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that's what anti means
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i didnt realize i was debating with him. i'm allowed to base my opinions of people on their views. And i'm dead serious when i say that it wouldnt suprise me if a couple of people around here fucking snap and do something crazy. its that bizarre here sometimes. The chances of a few people here being actual lunatics is frighteningly real. My comment wasn't just an insult.
but i dont think you are one of them, if that makes you feel better
fair enough. Personally i think i can be anti one war and pro another and it doesnt make me a warmonger, but think what you'd like.
they attacked egypt, syria, and lebanon and occupied land from all 3 countries... that's not even mentioning palestine, of course.
actually, it is definitely related to it, as I have already shown.
Well when you say *runs the asylum* it seems to be pointing to more than just a couple of people. But say whatever you want...all I'm saying is it turns these
threads into pissing matches and to me it seems to indicate a lacking somewhere to feel the urge to discredit a person's points by attacking who they are instead of what they said.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Of course you can be anti one war and pro another...but that doesn't make you anti the concept of war which is what anti-war means to me, personally.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i was talking about the first war, not this one. 1 million deaths (or whatever the number is) from this war wasn't justified, not even close. Where as most of the millions of deaths caused by the allies in WWII, for example, were sadly necessary and unpreventable.