Bush takes anti-Iran push to Saudis

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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    i would love to see that but I dont think invading countries is the way to go. Lets just agree that the Saudis are no good.:)

    Anyone in bed with the Bush dynasty is no good...
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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    slightofjeff wrote:
    yeah, I don't get the whole, "yeah, but the 9/11 bombers were all from Saudi Arabia" argument, either.

    I don't care where they are from. I don't care if they're from Canada, or New Zealand or flippin' Toledo, Ohio.

    Who funded them? Who trained them? Who ordered them?

    It wasn't Saudi Arabia. It was OBL, acting as a proxy for the Taliban.

    So you think the Taliban was using Bin Laden to attack the US?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    i would love to see that but I dont think invading countries is the way to go. Lets just agree that the Saudis are no good.:)

    of course they are no good. but they want peace with us (the saudi government)

    extremism is not the fault of the government. its the fault of the religious leaders.


    I dont want to be friends with them but being enemies with them is very counterproductive.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course they are no good. but they want peace with us (the saudi government)

    extremism is not the fault of the government. its the fault of the religious leaders.


    I dont want to be friends with them but being enemies with them is very counterproductive.

    They don't want peace any more than they want our money for oil... You need a wake up call if you think there really is a separation between the religious leaders and the government in Saudi Arabia...
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    The point is... being allies with Saudi Arabia is a huge hypocrisy. Especially if you believe the bullshit from this administration. I don't understand why you cant see that.


    why? cuz they arent a democracy? as far as we can tell they do not support islamic extremism.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12754955,00.html


    sure they follow a strict form of Islam but its no where near as extreme as the taliban for example. and as much as you want to deny it, we are very important trade partners with them.

    I dont understand why you cant see that.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    MasterFramer wrote:
    So you think the Taliban was using Bin Laden to attack the US?

    Or at least allowing him to, unchained, by providing safe haven and training grounds.

    Put it this way: The Taliban wasn't shocked by what happened on the morning of 9/11, which is why they were on TV within the hour swearing they had nothing to do with it.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    They don't want peace any more than they want our money for oil... You need a wake up call if you think there really is a separation between the religious leaders and the government in Saudi Arabia...

    really? you sure are an expert on many things. I wish you would have been on the train longer for us to see the light. your wisdom is unparalleled

    yes there is a difference between extremists religious leaders and the government. I should have been more clear.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    So you think the Taliban was using Bin Laden to attack the US?

    no. bin laden was using the taliban to attack us.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no. bin laden was using the taliban to attack us.

    Man you really need to check your facts... Bin Laden was using the Taliban for safe haven.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Man you really need to check your facts... Bin Laden was using the Taliban for safe haven.

    exactly. you misunderstood what I said. I wasnt suggesting the taliban attacked us literally. just that bin laden used them as a means to that end.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    exactly. you misunderstood what I said. I wasnt suggesting the taliban attacked us literally. just that bin laden used them as a means to that end.

    aight... I see...
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  • blackredyellow
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    slightofjeff wrote:
    yeah, I don't get the whole, "yeah, but the 9/11 bombers were all from Saudi Arabia" argument, either.

    I don't care where they are from. I don't care if they're from Canada, or New Zealand or flippin' Toledo, Ohio.

    Who funded them? Who trained them? Who ordered them?

    It wasn't Saudi Arabia. It was OBL, acting as a proxy for the Taliban.

    But the Saudi education system helped to create them. The common people of Saudi Arabia are poor and without hope of things getting better. They grow up learning Wahhabism Islam and are taught to hate the west and that the west are responsible for all of their problems.
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  • Open
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    jlew24asu wrote:
    its not just the bush family. its every government that has been in place over the past 50 years. saudi is our largest oil supplier. then allow us to put troops in their country. being enemies with them serves no purpose. I would assume it would create even more extremism much like what is happening in parts of Iraq.

    I just dont get it. you (and many others) bitch when we are enemies with someone (like saddam) and bitch when we are friends with someone (like saudi)

    can we do anything right?

    What's causing extremisim is our presense.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    blackredyellow wrote:
    But the Saudi education system helped to create them. The common people of Saudi Arabia are poor and without hope of things getting better. They grow up learning Wahhabism Islam and are taught to hate the west and that the west are responsible for all of their problems.
    Open wrote:
    What's causing extremisim is our presense.



    your both right. but isn't kind sad? does any other religion develop such hatred over "our presence" ? we showed up there to protect them from saddam in the first place.

    I think the root of the problem lies in the extreme interpretation of the koran.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he went to talk peace between Israel/Palastine. he sees Iran as a source of problems for the middle east.
    ...
    While the people of the Middle East sees the United States as the source of the problem.
    ...
    Granted... we all know we need the fucking oil. Fine. How about we just buy the fucking shit from them and quit trying to form their domestic policies?
    I mean, Japan buys fucking oil from the Middle East... why aren't JAL Airliners being flown into Tokyo office buildings?
    Answer: Japan is just buying the fucking oil from them and not trying to form their domestic policies.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    your both right. but isn't kind sad? does any other religion develop such hatred over "our presence" ? we showed up there to protect them from saddam in the first place.

    I think the root of the problem lies in the extreme interpretation of the koran.


    The presence part might have something to do with raining bombs all over their capital as nice warm hello.

    Not exactly your average "were here to help you" mentality. I think some people were slightly confused to put it lightly.

    Let's see....they're here to help us, but their blowing the living sh*t out of us.

    I can see how the Koran plays in now....hehe

    honestly...
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  • fuck
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    They grow up learning Wahhabism Islam and are taught to hate the west and that the west are responsible for all of their problems.

    Who the fuck made that a fact, all of a sudden? US Media? The government? Or are they one in the same?

    Honestly, the things people say on here as if they're "well-known" facts never fail to astound me.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

    Honestly, the things people say on here as if they're "well-known" facts never fail to astound me.

    f-ing straight up...

    edit: I thought I was the only one to notice this :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The presence part might have something to do with raining bombs all over their capital as nice warm hello.

    Not exactly your average "were here to help you" mentality. I think some people were slightly confused to put it lightly.

    Let's see....they're here to help us, but their blowing the living sh*t out of us.

    I can see how the Koran plays in now....hehe

    honestly...

    you make it sound like we have been carpeting bombing the place daily for 5 years. after the first day, air bombings rarely took place expect for very specific targets. but good job making up your own reality to fit your agenda.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    Who the fuck made that a fact, all of a sudden? US Media? The government? Or are they one in the same?

    Honestly, the things people say on here as if they're "well-known" facts never fail to astound me.

    um those are well known facts. do some research

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

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