Bush takes anti-Iran push to Saudis
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-13-bush-mideast_N.htm?csp=34
Good thing Bush went to the middle East to talk about peace :rolleyes:
Good thing Bush went to the middle East to talk about peace :rolleyes:
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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And to hang out with America's number one friend, the Saudis...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
should we be enemies?
Reminds me of bombing the entire state of California because there's a couple bad people living there. Sheer Lunacy. Madmen drunk on killing people for corporate profit.
Same deal for Iran. Sanctions are in fact already acts of war, now they're going to start bombing Iran for not being able to prove they don't have something they don't have in the first place.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I wouldn't say enemies, but with the amount of terrorism that Saudis are a part of, I would definitely rule out the unconditional friendship that the Bush family has with them.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
well if they dont have them it should be easy to prove. yet Iran is not 100% corporative. weird.
its not just the bush family. its every government that has been in place over the past 50 years. saudi is our largest oil supplier. then allow us to put troops in their country. being enemies with them serves no purpose. I would assume it would create even more extremism much like what is happening in parts of Iraq.
I just dont get it. you (and many others) bitch when we are enemies with someone (like saddam) and bitch when we are friends with someone (like saudi)
can we do anything right?
You sounded like Tony Snow there for a sec. The problem is the whole concept (taken at face value) is held up on moral values that are utterly undermined by hypocrisy on many levels. None of it pans out.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I thought u were a realist? I dont see how being enemies with the (friendly) saudi government is beneficial to anyone. if the saudi government held daily "Death to America" chants like our friends in Iran then I might be more concerned.
Fucking spin master.
Chants v.s. then a bunch of them flying planes into buildings.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't bitch about us being enemies with Saddam, we had every right to. I don't agree with invading and removing him from power, but that doesn't mean that we had to like him.
For the saudis I know they have the oil, so we need to bow down at their feet, but it just aggravates me because the royal family's policies and how they govern their own country, have done more to exacerbate terrorism, than just about any other country. While we play nice with their leaders (and they play nice back), their Wahhabism form of islam has most of the country viewing us non-believers as enemies.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Maybe they dont chant death to america but how well do they treat their people? Do they still have friday afternoon public executions. How bout the Saudi women? I hear if you get raped there your awarded with jail time and a few whippings. what nice people those saudis huh. The Al Saud family is no worse than Saddam. The only difference here is that Saddam would not play ball and thats why hes dead.
government chants vs a bunch of people who were born in saudi and lived elsewhere with zero connection to the government.
yup, lets stop being friends with them and bomb em. i'm with ya.
how saudi's treat their women is not my problem. and I believe america has friday afternoon executions too. not public but we do it.
what are you all getting at? that we should be enemies with saudi? I thought being friends with a country is a good thing.
this place is confusing.
If its not our problem then why the hell are we preaching democracy for the middle east
ok fine. lets add saudi to our list of countries to invade because they arent a democracy. is that better?
The point is... being allies with Saudi Arabia is a huge hypocrisy. Especially if you believe the bullshit from this administration. I don't understand why you cant see that.
i would love to see that but I dont think invading countries is the way to go. Lets just agree that the Saudis are no good.:)
I don't care where they are from. I don't care if they're from Canada, or New Zealand or flippin' Toledo, Ohio.
Who funded them? Who trained them? Who ordered them?
It wasn't Saudi Arabia. It was OBL, acting as a proxy for the Taliban.
for the least they could possibly do
Anyone in bed with the Bush dynasty is no good...
So you think the Taliban was using Bin Laden to attack the US?
of course they are no good. but they want peace with us (the saudi government)
extremism is not the fault of the government. its the fault of the religious leaders.
I dont want to be friends with them but being enemies with them is very counterproductive.
They don't want peace any more than they want our money for oil... You need a wake up call if you think there really is a separation between the religious leaders and the government in Saudi Arabia...
why? cuz they arent a democracy? as far as we can tell they do not support islamic extremism.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12754955,00.html
sure they follow a strict form of Islam but its no where near as extreme as the taliban for example. and as much as you want to deny it, we are very important trade partners with them.
I dont understand why you cant see that.
Or at least allowing him to, unchained, by providing safe haven and training grounds.
Put it this way: The Taliban wasn't shocked by what happened on the morning of 9/11, which is why they were on TV within the hour swearing they had nothing to do with it.
for the least they could possibly do
really? you sure are an expert on many things. I wish you would have been on the train longer for us to see the light. your wisdom is unparalleled
yes there is a difference between extremists religious leaders and the government. I should have been more clear.
no. bin laden was using the taliban to attack us.
Man you really need to check your facts... Bin Laden was using the Taliban for safe haven.
exactly. you misunderstood what I said. I wasnt suggesting the taliban attacked us literally. just that bin laden used them as a means to that end.