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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Do people just wake up one day and decide that their life sucks so bad that they are going to fuck other people over too? And enjoy it?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Do people just wake up one day and decide that their life sucks so bad that they are going to fuck other people over too? And enjoy it?

    As per Carl Jung. 30% of societies are psychopathic. They thrive on spreading misery in order to validate themselves. It's a disease of the mind.
    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/06/04/p25915

    I tend to agree with his observations, as it validates my own.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Do people just wake up one day and decide that their life sucks so bad that they are going to fuck other people over too? And enjoy it?

    I don't know if this is aimed at me, but i'll try the cap on for size.....my life sucks because all i'd really like to do is get my ass back in the army, have a laugh, fight the good fight and pick up a few more scars. but because of weak willed, faggotty armchair warriors, ass kissing their greedy, no chin leaders like good little nazis, i have to mince around in this meaningless capitashmalism rubbish, untill i've paid off what i owe, and can then dissapear out into the wilderness! so ye i try to spread a little of that back the way it came, it doesnt do any good, but fuck it.
    probably won't bother coming back after my ban. ye ye good riddance, whatever.
    watch out for the scary terrorists!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thursday, 12 June 2008 19:35 UK


    'Jewish settler attack' on film
    By Tim Franks
    BBC News, Jerusalem

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7451691.stm
    'Footage from a video camera handed out by an Israeli human rights group appears to show Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians in the West Bank.

    An elderly shepherd, his wife and a nephew said they were attacked by four masked men for allowing their animals to graze near the settlement of Susia.

    The rights group, B'Tselem, said the cameras were provided to enable Palestinians to get proof of attacks.

    A spokesman for the Israeli police said that an investigation was under way.

    So far, no-one has been arrested.

    For the past year, B'Tselem has handed out video cameras to Palestinians as part of its "Shooting Back" project.

    The Palestinians said they were attacked after refusing to move

    The BBC has been given exclusive access to the footage of this particular attack, which happened earlier this week. The date and time on the camera footage shows that it is Sunday afternoon.

    Over the brow of the hill walk four masked men holding baseball bats. To the right of the screen, in the foreground, stands a 58-year-old Palestinian woman.

    Thamam al-Nawaja has been herding her goats close to the Jewish settlement of Susia, near Hebron in the southern West Bank.

    Within a few seconds, she, along with her 70-year-old husband and one of her nephews, will be beaten up.

    As the first blows land, the woman filming - the daughter-in-law of the elderly couple - drops the camera and runs for help.

    Mrs Nawaja spent three days in hospital after the attack.

    Returning to the small Palestinian encampment close to the red-roofed houses of Susia, she stepped slowly and unsteadily out of the minibus.

    A dark stain showed through the white gauze covering her broken right arm. Her veil was lifted gingerly away from her lined face. A bloodshot eye and intersection of scars revealed a fractured left cheek.

    "The settlers gave us a 10-minute warning to clear off from the land," she told me, her voice a tired, cracked whisper.

    She and her husband had stood their ground. It is at this point that her voice grows louder.

    "They don't want us to stay on our land. But we won't leave. We'll die here. It's ours," she added.

    Indeed, the rest of the world regards Jewish settlements in the West Bank such as Susia, as illegal, built on occupied territory.

    Those settlements have been a large part of the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis for the last 41 years. The daily confrontation is not often caught on camera. That, now, is beginning to change.

    The attack near Susia was filmed with one of 100 video cameras that B'Tselem has handed out to Palestinians in the region.


    The thinking behind the project is that when trouble flares, rather than just giving a statement to the Israeli police or army, video carries much more weight.

    "The difference is amazing," says Oren Yakobovich, who leads the Shooting Back project.

    "When they have the camera, they have proof that something happened. They now have something they can work with, to use as a weapon."

    We asked a spokesman from the Susia settlement for a comment on Sunday's incident. He declined.

    Inside one of the tents belonging to the Palestinians living near Susia, we watched the footage of the aftermath of the attack - the victims slumped by the roadside, bloodied, waiting for an ambulance.

    The bright, wide eyes of the children shone with the light of the small television screen.

    Violence against Jews as well as Palestinians has long scarred this place. Video may now may be giving us a new and raw view.

    But for most people here, the only answer - a political deal - remains out of sight.'
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Specifics wrote:
    Those that see, see.

    Im not really a facts and figures sort of guy, i tried it but i don't have the patience. I'm a soldier, but i had to leave the forces because i came to realise that i was fighting for people like you, not for the benefit of mankind i mistook it all for as a slightly younger man.

    I like to read the stuff that true souls with intelligent minds research and post here, and occasionally i like to fuck with people like you because your desperate and no brained attempts to cling on in the face of compassionate and intelligent debate makes me sick to my stomach.

    As much as I respect soldiers, go fuck yourself. You don't know who I am, at all. Go be sick to your stomach, then.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Do people just wake up one day and decide that their life sucks so bad that they are going to fuck other people over too? And enjoy it?

    I don't know if you're talking about Specifics, but if you are, he's obviously quite sick. I'd feel worse about telling to him go fuck himself, if I hadn't already had it up to here with people's personal attacks.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7451691.stm

    "Footage from a video camera handed out by an Israeli human rights group appears to show Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians in the West Bank.

    An elderly shepherd, his wife and a nephew said they were attacked by four masked men for allowing their animals to graze near the settlement of Susia.

    The rights group, B'Tselem, said the cameras were provided to enable Palestinians to get proof of attacks.

    A spokesman for the Israeli police said that an investigation was under way.

    So far, no-one has been arrested. "
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    reborncareerist wrote:
    As much as I respect soldiers, go fuck yourself. You don't know who I am, at all. Go be sick to your stomach, then.
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I don't know if you're talking about Specifics, but if you are, he's obviously quite sick. I'd feel worse about telling to him go fuck himself, if I hadn't already had it up to here with people's personal attacks.


    ...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrBrian wrote:
    How far should the pull back be I think is the question now. We also all know that Israel will never agree to anything

    The pull back should be in accordance with international law and the consensus of the international community - excluding the U.S which supports the occupation - which is that Israel needs to withdraw to the pre 1967 borders.

    We know that Israel will never agree to anything and it will continue flouting International law as long as it's crimes are supported by the U.S government.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The pull back should be in accordance with international law and the consensus of the international community - excluding the U.S which supports the occupation - which is that Israel needs to withdraw to the pre 1967 borders.

    We know that Israel will never agree to anything and it will continue flouting International law as long as it's crimes are supported by the U.S government.
    that's been the general agreement it seems, for Israel to pull back to the 1967 borders...which they have repeatedly refused to do. It really is up to Israel, whether or not they want to end the violence.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Commy wrote:
    that's been the general agreement it seems, for Israel to pull back to the 1967 borders...which they have repeatedly refused to do. It really is up to Israel, whether or not they want to end the violence.

    Right. It's up to Israel, but also the U.S. Let's not forget that this isn't just an issue between two opposing parties; the Palestinians and Israel. This is an issue between the Palestinians, Israel and the U.S. Without unconditional U.S support for Israel and U.S interference in the International consensus for a two-state settlement, this conflict would have been over a long time ago.

    It really is a shame that the best interests of both Israel and the U.S are being hijacked by a bunch of war-mongering religious freaks.

    The U.S would benefit immeasurably from switching sides and supporting the Palestinians. It's a shame that so many people fail to see that.
  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    reborncareerist wrote:
    As much as I respect soldiers, go fuck yourself. You don't know who I am, at all. Go be sick to your stomach, then.

    Interesting. Because i thought i was going to get banned for general insults, swearing and making a potentially homophobic remark.

    (i'm not homophobic or homosexual)

    edit: I'm all for revolution tho!! ;)
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    ...

    Are you still trying to draw out this shit, man? WOW.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Specifics wrote:
    Interesting. Because i thought i was going to get banned for general insults, swearing and making a potentially homophobic remark.

    (i'm not homophobic or homosexual)

    edit: I'm all for revolution tho!! ;)


    I'd say you probably should be banned, but then I'd have to concede that I should be banned too. ;)

    I think Roland might need a time-out, because he's STILL pissed at me after, like, two days ...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The U.S would benefit immeasurably from switching sides and supporting the Palestinians. It's a shame that so many people fail to see that.

    That's not helpful, dude, at all. The U.S. does need to end its favoritism of Israel, and adopt a BALANCED approach. More black-and-white won't help Israel to change its own black-and-white, all-or-nothing stance on the issue. Everyone going to have to suck it up and conpromise to some extent. Israel should do more compromising, given that they hold the military cards and given that they have occupied the wrong lands for too long already. They won't shift until they also get some Palestinian initiatives to end the violence, though. And obviously ceasefires won't cut it, because BOTH sides have broken many of those.
  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I'd say you probably should be banned, but then I'd have to concede that I should be banned too. ;)

    I think Roland might need a time-out, because he's STILL pissed at me after, like, two days ...

    Well ye, but what i mean is i thought i was getting banned, but i didnt tell you to "go fuck yourself".

    it's all good tho i'm just making an observation, im not trying to get anyone banned.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I'd say you probably should be banned, but then I'd have to concede that I should be banned too. ;)

    I think Roland might need a time-out, because he's STILL pissed at me after, like, two days ...

    I'm not the one telling people to go fuck themselves. sorry.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Specifics wrote:
    Well ye, but what i mean is i thought i was getting banned, but i didnt tell you to "go fuck yourself".

    it's all good tho i'm just making an observation, im not trying to get anyone banned.

    You didn't, but I think you had the misfortune of being yet another person to paint me with the warmonger brush in these Israel threads. Its an odd position to be in ... Arguing against violence but being told that you're some sort of Bushie-loving armchair warhawk because you refuse to see this issue as one-sided. Its bizarre, honestly, not you specifically, but more generally ... People who won't concede that terrorism is unhelpful telling you that you're a bastard.
    Anyhow, there ya go.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm not the one telling people to go fuck themselves. sorry.

    No, you confine your helpful activities to telling people that they're stupid for not seeing your points, and then getting two-face to back you up on it with some lame gaslighting attempt. Sorry, but its not appreciated. Also, what was telling Heinneken Helen not to keep bringing the issue up, and then not two posts later calling me out yet again?
    You guys can treat these threads like an opportunity to flex your message board brute squad muscles, or you can at least pretend to be interested in other views of the situation.
    Maybe I am stupid after all, for being the only person still trying to debate with you guys. Everyone else on the other side is long-gone.

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