Frontline profiles Jewish Extremeists
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"They do not believe in peace talks. They do not want to share the land. They are well armed and are carrying out increasingly violent attacks, even targeting innocent civilians. They are members of Israel's militant far right, and they are threatening to become Israel's next big problem.
"In "Israel's Next War?" FRONTLINE goes deep inside the world of militant Jewish radicals who pose a grave new threat to Israeli security and, potentially, to the region. "The dream of these extremists"—to blow up the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, one of the most important holy sites in the Muslim world—"should give us sleepless nights," says former Israeli Security Chief Avi Dichter. "Jewish terror is liable to create a serious strategic threat that will turn the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into a conflict between thirteen million Jews and a billion Muslims all over the world.""
"They do not believe in peace talks. They do not want to share the land. They are well armed and are carrying out increasingly violent attacks, even targeting innocent civilians. They are members of Israel's militant far right, and they are threatening to become Israel's next big problem.
"In "Israel's Next War?" FRONTLINE goes deep inside the world of militant Jewish radicals who pose a grave new threat to Israeli security and, potentially, to the region. "The dream of these extremists"—to blow up the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, one of the most important holy sites in the Muslim world—"should give us sleepless nights," says former Israeli Security Chief Avi Dichter. "Jewish terror is liable to create a serious strategic threat that will turn the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into a conflict between thirteen million Jews and a billion Muslims all over the world.""
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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Kind of puts paid to the idea that only the Palestinians harbour 'terrorists'.
Slightly.
I think they're just making examples out of these chumps as a front, because the govt does everything they're arresting and putting these guys in jail for.
Rather Ironic..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Harbour isn't the right word and you know it.
It's great how Israel will arrest, condemn, charge, extremists or criminals or corrupt people on their side. However, other governments sponsor, celebrate extremists/terrorists on their side.
Like the Israeli govt for example.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/etc/setton.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/28/1027818488751.html
Jewish settlers kill Palestinian girl after funeral
July 29 2002
A Palestinian girl was shot dead by enraged Jewish settlers yesterday as they rampaged through the West Bank city of Hebron following the funeral of an Israeli killed by Palestinian militants, Palestinian witnesses and hospital sources said.
Nivin Musa Jamjoum, 14, was shot in the head as she stood on her balcony near the Tomb of the Patriarchs, also known as the Machpelah Cave, a disputed religious site, the hospital sources said.
Her brother was also wounded, but only lightly, they said.
Another 10 people were injured in the rampage, among which was a family of six riding in a horse-drawn cart rammed by settlers in a car on a by-pass road, the sources said.
The family members were said to be moderately-to-seriously injured.
Two others, one of them a man in his 20s, were suffering from gunshot wounds, while a nine-year-old was beaten up, they said.
Another Palestinian youth was reportedly stabbed and later evacuated for medical treatment by the Israeli army.
Israeli military sources said the army had treated two Palestinians and an Israeli police officer who had been injured in the rioting, but did not give details of their injuries.
Witnesses said the settlers had also taken over a three-storey Palestinian house, confining the Abu Nagiba al-Sharbati family to a single room, while a second Palestinian house was torched and badly damaged.
The burned house, a three-storey building belonging to the Abu Samir al-Sharbati family, contained a large collection of antiquities. The family was evicted before the house was torched.
Settlers were also shooting and throwing stones at Palestinian houses near the Jewish enclave of Avraham Avinu, after the funeral of an Israeli soldier and resident of the area who was killed on Friday in a Palestinian ambush.
Elazar Leibovitz, 21, was buried in the old Jewish graveyard in Hebron at noon, and the funerals of the other three victims of Friday's attack started shortly afterwards.
An army spokesman said only he was aware of "some sort of rioting going on in Hebron", a divided city where heavily guarded Jewish settlers live among 120,000 Palestinians.
According to military sources, the incident had started when a number of Palestinians began throwing stones at the Israelis who were on their way to the funeral.
"The army and police are trying to stand between the two sides and keep them apart. There is an army medical team on site which has treated two Palestinian casualties and one Israeli police officer," he said.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0694/9406008.htm
Jewish Settler Terror Groups Have a Long History in Hebron
By Steve Sosebee
The seeds of the Hebron massacre were quietly planted in January 1991 when the last members of a notorious Jewish terror underground were set free from Ma'asiyahu Prison near Tel Aviv. Three men, each of whom served less than seven years of life sentences, were cheered as heroes by a large, celebratory crowd of armed Jewish settlers. They were the last detained members of the Terror Against Terror (TNT in Hebrew) settler underground that engulfed the West Bank in innocent blood from 1978 to 1984.
None showed remorse for murdering innocent civilians. Instead they vowed to continue their holy struggle against "Arab terror" in the West Bank as they returned home to the settlement of Kiryat Arba. They were comrades of Dr. Baruch Goldstein, who on Feb. 25 shot to death 29 Palestinian men and boys as they prayed at the Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron.
The leniency with which the Israeli government treated organized Jewish terror groups like TNT in the years preceding and during the intifada sent a clear signal to both Palestinians and Israelis. Palestinian opposition to military occupation, even legitimate nonviolent political acts, was swiftly and often violently crushed. Militants from Israeli groups like TNT, by contrast, served light sentences for aggressive and violent acts against innocent Palestinians, if they were brought to court and tried at all. This double standard further deepened Arab resentment to Israeli occupation and indicated to Jewish extremists that acts of violent provocation carried few longterm legal consequences.
Jewish terrorist groups and the larger settler movement gained real strength in Israel following election of the rightwing Likud Party under Menachem Begin in 1977. His dream to settle "Judea and Samaria" with Jews and eventually annex the West Bank fit into the plans of messianic Jewish settlers who regarded the land as their God-given heritage.
The harsh rhetoric and uncompromising behavior of the Begin government in the occupied territories created a perfect climate for a settler terror underground to flourish. TNT members were religious Jews with a rightwing nationalist agenda not different from that of Begin, a former Irgun terrorist. Their worst fear then, as it is today, is a political settlement between Israel and the PLO.
TNT functioned with financial support from many sympathetic American Zionists and the Kach movement under Rabbi Meir Kahane. Some American members received paramilitary training organized by the Jewish Defense League. Such paramilitary training of rightwing Zionists by the Kahane Chai (Kahane Lives) organization for "work" in the West Bank is still going on in upstate New York. TNT also had strong ties with Gush Emunim (Bloc of the Faithful), the settler political movement centered in Kiryat Arba overlooking Hebron, and many rightwing Israeli politicians. Prominent rabbis also condoned the settlers' acts of terror against innocent Arabs...'
The Livni group obtained the weapons used in bombing the mayors' cars from the Israel Defense Forces as part of a "regional defense program." They also stole mines left over from the Syrian defense positions on the Golan Heights. As with Dr. Baruch Goldstein, the settlers were issued weapons for serving in the Israeli military reserve, which they were permitted to do near their settlements...
At the end of March 1994, the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) in Geneva released a report concerning the Hebron massacre which stated that the Israeli "settlers seem largely immune from the legal consequences of criminal acts against Palestinians. " The ICJ, which has addressed Israeli violations in the occupied territories in the past, reiterated that "issues related to the arming of settlers and the inaction of Israeli forces, police and courts in the face of this violence are of primary concern. " The ICJ also noted that the Israeli government has issued more than 9,000 weapons to settlers in the territories and that security at the mosque the day of the massacre was "unusually lax. "
Little has been said in the press concerning the existence of terror groups like TNT in Kiryat Arba where Goldstein lived. The possibility that Goldstein was part of an organized group determined to drown the Israeli-PLO Declaration of Principles in Arab blood deserves at least a closer look.
Niv Drori, one of the Israeli guards at the mosque the morning of the massacre, reported to the Israeli panel that Goldstein was not the only settler who carried a rifle into the shrine. "I am sure Goldstein had an M 16 and another man who is not familiar to us entered carrying a Glilon, Drori testified.
The IDF reported that all bullets fired inside the mosque came from a Galil assault rifle, which is a long version of the Glilon and is distinctly different from Goldstein's M16. When asked if anyone helped the American-born physician massacre innocent people, Drori replied: "Not from the soldiers."
Considering that the official inquiry eventually based its lone gunman conclusion mainly on the forensic report rather than the eyewitness testimony of its own soldiers and Palestinian victims, it may never be known whether Goldstein was part of a larger group. It is clear that among the militant settlers in Hebron there is much unity and coordination and that they pose a real physical threat to innocent Palestinian civilians and to the prospects of long-term peace in the West Bank.
When police in March arrested Baruch Marzel, leader of the Kach movement, which was outlawed after the massacre, they found him at the home of Yoram Skolnick, a settler suspected of a cold-blooded murder in 1993. Skolnick told police then that he had shot a bound and naked Palestinian in March 1993 "in order to teach the Arabs a lesson. " Despite this statement, he was never convicted and is still living in a settlement near Hebron.
Whether another settler terror group is working in the West Bank is secondary to the fact that individual settlers continue to kill Palestinians, often without provocation. Exactly a month after the massacre, a settler from Hebron shot and killed a Palestinian truck driver on the main road near Hebron. The settler knew his victim was a Muslim because he was praying at the side of the road when he was killed. Five days later, another settler killed a youth near Nablus after having his car stoned.
Throughout the occupation Israeli settlers have had little concern for legal consequences to their acts of violence. The prospects of another organized terror group like TNT operating in the West Bank not only proves that Israel's soft handling of the Jewish terrorists produced a feeling of immunity concerning violent acts against Arabs, but also makes the road to real peace more difficult.'
http://www.mediamonitors.net/samah2.html
Jewish Settlers Terrorize Palestinian Families - A Firsthand Account
'...Jewish settlers ransacked my grandfather's olive orchard in Kifel-Hares, down Beit Eil Settlement, during this current Israeli initiated conflict and many of our trees were burned to the ground. Settlers never come in the day. Like the fox to a barnyard, they sneak in at night.
They come fully armed and often with Israeli soldiers. The noise we make sometimes seems our only defense. If they do not kill our people, they destroy property and terrorize our children. Even without Israeli imposed curfews, few Arab people leave their homes at night...
..Here, we all fear the night. Forty-year- old Issam Joudeh was kidnapped just a night or so ago from his home near Ramallah, a town 15 miles north of Jerusalem. Severely beaten and tortured, he was then set on fire and, finally, when his agony ended and he lay still, the settler-gang riddled him with bullets-an act of pure hatred from people who claim to be God's righteous and God's chosen people...'
If it going to be done... they will be the ones to do it.
Besides, it sure puts on a good show like they're "trying" to stop it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Genocide announced
Bombs would fall under other circumstances, but when influential rabbis call for the total annihilation of the Palestinians the world watches without blinking
"April 10, 2008
"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion issued one week ago by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank. In an article published by numerous religious Israeli newspapers two weeks ago and run by the liberal Haaretz on 26 March, Rosen asserted that there is evidence in the Torah to justify this stand. Rosen, an authority able to issue religious opinions for Jews, wrote that Palestinians are like the nation of Amalekites that attacked the Israelite tribes on their way to Jerusalem after they had fled from Egypt under the leadership of Moses. He wrote that the Lord sent down in the Torah a ruling that allowed the Jews to kill the Amalekites, and that this ruling is known in Jewish jurisprudence.
Rosen's article, which created a lot of noise in Israel, included the text of the ruling in the Torah: "Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys." Rosen adds that the Amalekites are not a particular race or religion, but rather all those who hate the Jews for religious or national motives. Rosen goes as far as saying that the "Amalekites will remain as long as there are Jews. In every age Amalekites will surface from other races to attack the Jews, and thus the war against them must be global." He urges application of the "Amalekites ruling" and says that the Jews must undertake to implement it in all eras because it is a "divine commandment".
Rosen does not hesitate to define the "Amalekites of this age" as the Palestinians. He writes, "those who kill students as they recite the Torah, and fire missiles on the city of Siderot, spread terror in the hearts of men and women. Those who dance over blood are the Amalekites, and we must respond with counter-hatred. We must uproot any trace of humanitarianism in dealing with them so that we emerge victorious."
The true outrage is that most of those authorised to issue Jewish religious opinions support the view of Rabbi Rosen, as confirmed by Haaretz newspaper. At the head of those supporting his opinion is Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, the leading religious authority in Israel's religious national current, and former chief Eastern rabbi for Israel. Rosen's opinion also has the support of Rabbi Dov Lior, president of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), and Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safed and a candidate for the post of chief rabbi of Israel. A number of political leaders in Israel have also shown enthusiasm for the opinion, including Ori Lubiansky, head of the Jerusalem municipality.
There is no dispute among observers in Israel that the shooting in Jerusalem three weeks ago that killed eight Jewish students in a religious school was pivotal for Jewish authorities issuing religious opinions of a racist, hateful nature. The day following the Jerusalem incident, a number of rabbis led by Daniel Satobsky issued a religious opinion calling on Jewish youth and "all those who believe in the Torah" to take revenge on the Palestinians as hastily as possible. A week following the operation, a group of leading rabbis issued an unprecedented religious opinion permitting the Israeli army to bomb Palestinian civilian areas. The opinion is issued by the "Association of Rabbis of the Land of Israel" and states that Jewish religious law permits the bombing of Palestinian civilian residential areas if they are a source of attacks on Jewish residential areas. It reads, "when the residents of cities bordering settlements and Jewish centres fire shells at Jewish settlements with the aim of death and destruction, the Torah permits for shells to be fired on the sources of firing even if civilian residents are present there."
The opinion adds that sometimes it is necessary to respond with shelling to sources of fire immediately, without granting the Palestinian public prior warning. A week ago, Rabbi Eliyahu Kinvinsky, the second most senior authority in the Orthodox religious current, issued a religious opinion prohibiting the employment of Arabs, particularly in religious schools. This religious opinion followed another that had been issued by Rabbi Lior prohibiting the employment of Arabs and the renting of residential apartments to them in Jewish neighbourhoods. In order to provide a climate that allows Jewish extremist organisations to continue attacking Palestinian citizens, Rabbi Israel Ariel, one of the most prominent rabbis in the West Bank settlement complex, recently issued a religious opinion prohibiting religious Jews involved in attacks against Palestinians to appear before Israeli civil courts. According to this opinion, they must instead demand to appear before Torah courts that rule by Jewish religious law.
Haaretz newspaper noted that what Rabbi Ariel was trying to achieve through this religious opinion has in fact already taken place. The first instance of such a court in Kfar Saba ordered the release of a young Jewish woman called Tsevia Teshrael who attacked a Palestinian farmer in the middle of the West Bank. And there are Jewish religious authorities that glorify killing and praise terrorists, such as Rabbi Yitzhaq Ginsburg, a top rabbi in Israel who published a book entitled Baruch the Hero in memoriam of Baruch Goldstein, who committed the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre in 1994 when he opened fire and killed 29 Palestinians as they were performing the dawn prayer in Hebron in the southern West Bank. Ginsburg considers his act "honourable and glorious".
The danger of these religious opinions lies in the fact that the religious authorities issuing them have wide respect among religious Jewish youth. And while only 28 per cent of Israel's population is religious, more than 50 per cent of Israelis define themselves as conservative and grant major significance to opinions issued by Jewish religious authorities. According to a study conducted by the Social Sciences Department of Bar Elon University, more than 90 per cent of those who identify as religious believe that if state laws and government orders are incongruous with the content of religious opinions issued by rabbis, they must overlook the former and act in accordance with the latter.
What grants the racist religious opinions a deeper and far-reaching impact is the fact that for the last decade followers of the Zionist religious current, who form nearly 10 per cent of the population, have been seeking to take control of the army and security institutions. They are doing so through volunteering for service in special combat units. The spokesperson's office in the Israeli army says that although the percentage of followers of this current is low in the state's demographic makeup, they form more than 50 per cent of the officers in the Israeli army and more than 60 per cent of its special unit commanders. According to an opinion poll of religious officers and soldiers supervised by the Interdisciplinary Centre Herzliya and published last year, more than 95 per cent of religious soldiers and officers say that they will execute orders from the elected government and their leaders in the army only if they are in harmony with the religious opinions issued by leading rabbis and religious authorities.
Wasil Taha, Arab Knesset member from the Tajammu Party led by Azmi Bishara, says that these religious opinions lead to the committal of crimes. He mentions religious opinions issued by a number of rabbis in mid-1995 that led to the assassination of former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin at that time. "If that's what happens when religious opinions urge attacks against Jewish leaders such as Rabin, what will the situation be like when they urge attacks against Palestinian leaders and the Palestinian public?" he asks. "We, as Arab leaders, have begun to feel a lack of security following this flood of religious opinions, and we realise that the matter requires a great deal of caution in our movements as we are certain that there are those who seek to implement these opinions," he told Al-Ahram Weekly.
Taha dismisses those who ask about the role of the government and Israeli political cadre in confronting these extremist religious opinions. "The ministers in the Israeli government and the Knesset members compete to incite against the Palestinian public and don't hesitate to threaten expulsion of the Palestinians who live on their land in Israel and carry Israeli citizenship outside of Israel's borders, just as former deputy premier Avigdor Lieberman and representative Evi Etam did," Taha said. He notes that Palestinian citizens within Israel have begun to take extreme precautionary measures since the issue of these religious opinions, including security measures around mosques and public institutions and informing officials of public demonstrations so that members of Jewish terrorist organisations can be prevented from attacking participants. Taha holds that the sectors of the Palestinian population most likely to be harmed by these religious opinions are those living in the various cities populated by both Jews and Palestinians, such as Haifa, Jaffa, Lod, Ramleh and Jerusalem.
Palestinian writer and researcher Abdul-Hakim Mufid, from the city Um Fahem, holds that the religious opinions of rabbis have gained major significance due to the harmony between official rhetoric and that of the rabbis. Mufid notes that official Israeli establishments have not tried to confront the "fascist" rhetoric expressed in these religious opinions even though they are capable of doing so. "Most of the rabbis who issue tyrannical religious opinions are official employees in state institutions and receive salaries from them. And the state has not held these rabbis accountable or sought to prohibit the issue of such opinions," he told the Weekly.
Mufid points out that when the official political institution is in a crisis, the Zionist consensus behind these religious opinions grows more intense, and offers as an example the religious opinions relied upon by Rabbi Meir Kahane in the early 1980s to justify his call to forcefully expel the Palestinians. Mufid adds that Israel in practice encourages all those who kill Palestinians, and points to the way that the Israeli government dealt with the recommendations of the Orr Commission that investigated the Israeli police's killing of 13 Palestinians with Israeli citizenship in October of 2000. The government closed the file even though the commission confirmed that the police had acted aggressively towards the Palestinian citizens. Mufid suggests that what makes the racist rhetoric the rabbis insist upon influential is the silence of leftist and liberal voices, and the lack of any direct mobilisation against it.
© Copyright Al-Ahram Weekly"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Err...o.k...
You forget that the Palestinians were there before the Zionists came along with the sole intention of occupying the whole of Palestine and establishing a Jews only state. Did the French resistance strengthen the Nazi regime? Maybe, in some propagandistic respect. Did attacks by the ANC strengthen the Aprtheid regime? Probably, it also helped strengthen the Apartheid propaganda campaign. Was this resistance therefore illegitimate? No.
P.s, Extremism is being caused by the occupation. Period.
Unlike the Nazi occupation of France, Israel's presence in the Middle East is not going to change. Ideally, Israel will return to pre-1967 borders, thereby putting your view to the test (assuming that IS your view ... Or do you think Israel should not exist at all?). But no ... It is almost certainly not that simple, given that Israel proper is not going anywhere.
If they keep out of the West Bank, the problem is moving greatly towards a legitimate solution.
however the opposite is occurring. Quite the opposite.
Let's not neat around the Bush Israel knows full what it's doing. Full well.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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I never said Israel shouldn't exist at all. Just as Germany was not going to cease existing after WW2.
Alright, cool. If you guys think that a pull-back is needed (versus some kind of magical removal of the Israeli state itself), then we actually agree on more than a person who reads most of these threads might assume.
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the occupation and the '67 borders.
Well, I have never read a post that was "full of bloodthristy racism" from the other side either ... I think we could all stand to benefit from less hyperbole.
How far should the pull back be I think is the question now. We also all know that Israel will never agree to anything =
So what can you do?
One cannot do anything, assuming that Israel will never agree to a pullback, and assuming that Hamas and rerlated groups continue to launch attacks. The violence will continue.
Yeah you see, look everytime..and I mean everytime the palestinian stop the attacks, Israel will do something to triger more. Maybe they will take more land, shoot a child,bulldoze a home, you know something that will spark the fire.
So you say nothing can be done about it? well think about this, america stopping it's support for Israel. Start with that.
I believe Hamas has said if Israel gets out of the West Bank, and agrees to stop building illegal settlements there, it will essentially solve the problem.
Not good enough for Israel, because you know they want ALL the land, and a pile of dead Arabs as fertilizer.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
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Errm...o.k.
And with YOUR attitude we'd still BE witnessing Apartheid South Africa, Algeria WOULD still be run BY the French, and blacks IN America would still be sitting AT the back OF the bus.
Yeah, if we all cared a little more, maybe Israel wouldn't be suffering from the illegal occupation it's victim to...
Oh. Wait.
They've also said they're commited to the destruction of Israel...
What people say, and what's actually happening are often two different things.
Besides, any Palestinian saying that they wish for the destruction of Israel is no justification for the occupation.
Justification, no ... Acting to destroy Israel will ensure that said occupation doesn't change, though.