Its a direct response to your potatoes remark. If that's all you got, you don't merit an intelligent response. Personal attacks like that are a sign of frustration, you should consider a new topic. Truthfully, people have addressed your points many, many times over, and its not sinking in.
I thought as much.
I see no argument from you... nothing that makes me think yet. Still scratching the surface I see.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I am not surprised to hear that you aren't thinking ... I've seen little evidence of it.
You see little evidence of anything outside your little box I'm sure.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Did you ever think to address my points yet, or is all this ongoing infantile blather stemming from your direct personal attack towards me?
hmm
try again.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What point would you like me to address, that I haven't already?
I forget...all I smell is ass and fart now...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
""Talking with Jewish Extremists"
In these excerpts from her 2003 book, Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill, Jessica Stern, a leading expert on terrorism, recounts her conversations with two members of the Temple Mount Faithful, a messianic group of Jewish extremists who are followers of the teachings of Rabbi Kahane and who seek to destroy the Muslim holy sites built where the Jewish Temples once stood. They are also dedicated to expanding Israel's borders to encompass the entire biblical Israel. Stern, a lecturer in public policy at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, spent four years interviewing extremist members of three religions: Christians, Jews and Muslims.
"Days of Rage"
This March 2005 Jerusalem Report article by Leslie Susser examines what might be coming in the struggle over Ariel Sharon's plan to remove all Jewish settlers from Gaza and from four settlements in the northern West Bank starting in July 2005. Are right-wing opponents exaggerating when they warn Sharon's plan will lead to a "civil war?" Susser looks at the Kahanists actively leading the opposition, those Israelis ideologically aligned with them, and the three major strategies Israeli authorities expect their opponents to adopt. She also assesses the potential cracks in the solidarity of settler opposition to Sharon's plan.
Terrorist Groups
This page of The Council on Foreign Relations site on terrorism links to the page "Kach, Kahane Chai" which offers background on these two Israeli terror groups, including their roots in the teachings of Rabbi Meir Kahane, their links to terrorist attacks, whether they were involved in the 1995 assassination of Yitshak Rabin, their U.S. supporters and their status in Israel.
On Assassinations and Attempted Assasinations, and Yigal Amir
An article offering the views of Binjamin Zev Kahane concerning the assassination of Yitzak Rabin and Rabin's killer,Yigal Amir. Binjamin, the son of Rabbi Meir Kahane, took up his father's mantle after the rabbi was assassinated. Binjamin himself was assassinated in Israel in 2000. More of his political commentary can be found elsewhere on this Kahane site. And while the main page of this site notes it is "being reconstructed," the "category" scroll bar on the top right links to a range of selections including a photo gallery, biography of Kahane and more by and about him.
U.S. List of Known Kahanist Groups and Aliases
This list is from Presidential Executive Order 13224: "Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten to Commit, Or Support Terrorism." (Sept. 2001)
Kach, Kahane Chai - International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism
The Institute for Counterterrorism is a research institute dealing with solutions to international terrorism. The "Arab-Israeli Conflict" link at the top of this site links to "Terrorist Organization Profiles" which collects background articles and documents on the Kahane Movement and its offshoots."
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Well, I have never read a post that was "full of bloodthristy racism" from the other side either ... I think we could all stand to benefit from less hyperbole.
i would say a little less dropping of totally false insinuations was necessary. As is opening your eyes if you've been here 5 years and never seen a bloodthirsty racist quote supporting the occupation.
Actually, that IS more compelling than 98% of what you type. Thanks for hooking me up.
Hey no prob. I knew it would be right up your alley.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i would say a little less dropping of totally false insinuations was necessary. As is opening your eyes if you've been here 5 years and never seen a bloodthirsty racist quote supporting the occupation.
Oh, freaking come off it already ... Christ almighty.
Seriously. Do people really want to debate issues, or just cry and whine and bitch?
Make like your username and go pull up a few examples of "bloodthirsty racism" for everyone to see, if you're that goddamn hurt by the whole thing.
Oh, freaking come off it already ... Christ almighty.
Seriously. Do people really want to debate issues, or just cry and whine and bitch?
Make like your username and go pull up a few examples of "bloodthirsty racism" for everyone to see, if you're that goddamn hurt by the whole thing.
Those that see, see.
Im not really a facts and figures sort of guy, i tried it but i don't have the patience. I'm a soldier, but i had to leave the forces because i came to realise that i was fighting for people like you, not for the benefit of mankind i mistook it all for as a slightly younger man.
I like to read the stuff that true souls with intelligent minds research and post here, and occasionally i like to fuck with people like you because your desperate and no brained attempts to cling on in the face of compassionate and intelligent debate makes me sick to my stomach.
I tend to agree with his observations, as it validates my own.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Do people just wake up one day and decide that their life sucks so bad that they are going to fuck other people over too? And enjoy it?
I don't know if this is aimed at me, but i'll try the cap on for size.....my life sucks because all i'd really like to do is get my ass back in the army, have a laugh, fight the good fight and pick up a few more scars. but because of weak willed, faggotty armchair warriors, ass kissing their greedy, no chin leaders like good little nazis, i have to mince around in this meaningless capitashmalism rubbish, untill i've paid off what i owe, and can then dissapear out into the wilderness! so ye i try to spread a little of that back the way it came, it doesnt do any good, but fuck it.
probably won't bother coming back after my ban. ye ye good riddance, whatever.
watch out for the scary terrorists!
An elderly shepherd, his wife and a nephew said they were attacked by four masked men for allowing their animals to graze near the settlement of Susia.
The rights group, B'Tselem, said the cameras were provided to enable Palestinians to get proof of attacks.
A spokesman for the Israeli police said that an investigation was under way.
So far, no-one has been arrested.
For the past year, B'Tselem has handed out video cameras to Palestinians as part of its "Shooting Back" project.
The Palestinians said they were attacked after refusing to move
The BBC has been given exclusive access to the footage of this particular attack, which happened earlier this week. The date and time on the camera footage shows that it is Sunday afternoon.
Over the brow of the hill walk four masked men holding baseball bats. To the right of the screen, in the foreground, stands a 58-year-old Palestinian woman.
Thamam al-Nawaja has been herding her goats close to the Jewish settlement of Susia, near Hebron in the southern West Bank.
Within a few seconds, she, along with her 70-year-old husband and one of her nephews, will be beaten up.
As the first blows land, the woman filming - the daughter-in-law of the elderly couple - drops the camera and runs for help.
Mrs Nawaja spent three days in hospital after the attack.
Returning to the small Palestinian encampment close to the red-roofed houses of Susia, she stepped slowly and unsteadily out of the minibus.
A dark stain showed through the white gauze covering her broken right arm. Her veil was lifted gingerly away from her lined face. A bloodshot eye and intersection of scars revealed a fractured left cheek.
"The settlers gave us a 10-minute warning to clear off from the land," she told me, her voice a tired, cracked whisper.
She and her husband had stood their ground. It is at this point that her voice grows louder.
"They don't want us to stay on our land. But we won't leave. We'll die here. It's ours," she added.
Indeed, the rest of the world regards Jewish settlements in the West Bank such as Susia, as illegal, built on occupied territory.
Those settlements have been a large part of the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis for the last 41 years. The daily confrontation is not often caught on camera. That, now, is beginning to change.
The attack near Susia was filmed with one of 100 video cameras that B'Tselem has handed out to Palestinians in the region.
The thinking behind the project is that when trouble flares, rather than just giving a statement to the Israeli police or army, video carries much more weight.
"The difference is amazing," says Oren Yakobovich, who leads the Shooting Back project.
"When they have the camera, they have proof that something happened. They now have something they can work with, to use as a weapon."
We asked a spokesman from the Susia settlement for a comment on Sunday's incident. He declined.
Inside one of the tents belonging to the Palestinians living near Susia, we watched the footage of the aftermath of the attack - the victims slumped by the roadside, bloodied, waiting for an ambulance.
The bright, wide eyes of the children shone with the light of the small television screen.
Violence against Jews as well as Palestinians has long scarred this place. Video may now may be giving us a new and raw view.
But for most people here, the only answer - a political deal - remains out of sight.'
Im not really a facts and figures sort of guy, i tried it but i don't have the patience. I'm a soldier, but i had to leave the forces because i came to realise that i was fighting for people like you, not for the benefit of mankind i mistook it all for as a slightly younger man.
I like to read the stuff that true souls with intelligent minds research and post here, and occasionally i like to fuck with people like you because your desperate and no brained attempts to cling on in the face of compassionate and intelligent debate makes me sick to my stomach.
As much as I respect soldiers, go fuck yourself. You don't know who I am, at all. Go be sick to your stomach, then.
Do people just wake up one day and decide that their life sucks so bad that they are going to fuck other people over too? And enjoy it?
I don't know if you're talking about Specifics, but if you are, he's obviously quite sick. I'd feel worse about telling to him go fuck himself, if I hadn't already had it up to here with people's personal attacks.
"Footage from a video camera handed out by an Israeli human rights group appears to show Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians in the West Bank.
An elderly shepherd, his wife and a nephew said they were attacked by four masked men for allowing their animals to graze near the settlement of Susia.
The rights group, B'Tselem, said the cameras were provided to enable Palestinians to get proof of attacks.
A spokesman for the Israeli police said that an investigation was under way.
So far, no-one has been arrested. "
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't know if you're talking about Specifics, but if you are, he's obviously quite sick. I'd feel worse about telling to him go fuck himself, if I hadn't already had it up to here with people's personal attacks.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How far should the pull back be I think is the question now. We also all know that Israel will never agree to anything
The pull back should be in accordance with international law and the consensus of the international community - excluding the U.S which supports the occupation - which is that Israel needs to withdraw to the pre 1967 borders.
We know that Israel will never agree to anything and it will continue flouting International law as long as it's crimes are supported by the U.S government.
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I thought as much.
I see no argument from you... nothing that makes me think yet. Still scratching the surface I see.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Not true. The Zionists were never viewed as the underdog in Palestine.
Keep trying.
I am not surprised to hear that you aren't thinking ... I've seen little evidence of it.
You see little evidence of anything outside your little box I'm sure.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Uh huh. Keep talking ... Makes me look smarter.
Oh yes, I can see that...
Mature is another situation altogether.
Did you ever think to address my points yet, or is all this ongoing infantile blather stemming from your direct personal attack towards me?
hmm
try again.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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What point would you like me to address, that I haven't already?
I forget...all I smell is ass and fart now...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Well, you should have yourself checked out, then.
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/gallery/silly/big_cup_of_STFU.jpg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/martineurotic/fuck-off-smokers.jpg
always raising the bar..
I'm impressed..
you need a shave..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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http://thejiveman.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/tinfoil-hat.jpg
You're wasting your time here if you think you getting somewhere by this. Why not step up and deliver where you really can make a difference.
http://www.mlparena.com/Forums/viewforum/f=46.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/extreme/
""Talking with Jewish Extremists"
In these excerpts from her 2003 book, Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill, Jessica Stern, a leading expert on terrorism, recounts her conversations with two members of the Temple Mount Faithful, a messianic group of Jewish extremists who are followers of the teachings of Rabbi Kahane and who seek to destroy the Muslim holy sites built where the Jewish Temples once stood. They are also dedicated to expanding Israel's borders to encompass the entire biblical Israel. Stern, a lecturer in public policy at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, spent four years interviewing extremist members of three religions: Christians, Jews and Muslims.
"Days of Rage"
This March 2005 Jerusalem Report article by Leslie Susser examines what might be coming in the struggle over Ariel Sharon's plan to remove all Jewish settlers from Gaza and from four settlements in the northern West Bank starting in July 2005. Are right-wing opponents exaggerating when they warn Sharon's plan will lead to a "civil war?" Susser looks at the Kahanists actively leading the opposition, those Israelis ideologically aligned with them, and the three major strategies Israeli authorities expect their opponents to adopt. She also assesses the potential cracks in the solidarity of settler opposition to Sharon's plan.
Terrorist Groups
This page of The Council on Foreign Relations site on terrorism links to the page "Kach, Kahane Chai" which offers background on these two Israeli terror groups, including their roots in the teachings of Rabbi Meir Kahane, their links to terrorist attacks, whether they were involved in the 1995 assassination of Yitshak Rabin, their U.S. supporters and their status in Israel.
On Assassinations and Attempted Assasinations, and Yigal Amir
An article offering the views of Binjamin Zev Kahane concerning the assassination of Yitzak Rabin and Rabin's killer,Yigal Amir. Binjamin, the son of Rabbi Meir Kahane, took up his father's mantle after the rabbi was assassinated. Binjamin himself was assassinated in Israel in 2000. More of his political commentary can be found elsewhere on this Kahane site. And while the main page of this site notes it is "being reconstructed," the "category" scroll bar on the top right links to a range of selections including a photo gallery, biography of Kahane and more by and about him.
U.S. List of Known Kahanist Groups and Aliases
This list is from Presidential Executive Order 13224: "Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten to Commit, Or Support Terrorism." (Sept. 2001)
Kach, Kahane Chai - International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism
The Institute for Counterterrorism is a research institute dealing with solutions to international terrorism. The "Arab-Israeli Conflict" link at the top of this site links to "Terrorist Organization Profiles" which collects background articles and documents on the Kahane Movement and its offshoots."
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Actually, that IS more compelling than 98% of what you type. Thanks for hooking me up.
i would say a little less dropping of totally false insinuations was necessary. As is opening your eyes if you've been here 5 years and never seen a bloodthirsty racist quote supporting the occupation.
Hey no prob. I knew it would be right up your alley.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Oh, freaking come off it already ... Christ almighty.
Seriously. Do people really want to debate issues, or just cry and whine and bitch?
Make like your username and go pull up a few examples of "bloodthirsty racism" for everyone to see, if you're that goddamn hurt by the whole thing.
Those that see, see.
Im not really a facts and figures sort of guy, i tried it but i don't have the patience. I'm a soldier, but i had to leave the forces because i came to realise that i was fighting for people like you, not for the benefit of mankind i mistook it all for as a slightly younger man.
I like to read the stuff that true souls with intelligent minds research and post here, and occasionally i like to fuck with people like you because your desperate and no brained attempts to cling on in the face of compassionate and intelligent debate makes me sick to my stomach.
As per Carl Jung. 30% of societies are psychopathic. They thrive on spreading misery in order to validate themselves. It's a disease of the mind.
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/06/04/p25915
I tend to agree with his observations, as it validates my own.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I don't know if this is aimed at me, but i'll try the cap on for size.....my life sucks because all i'd really like to do is get my ass back in the army, have a laugh, fight the good fight and pick up a few more scars. but because of weak willed, faggotty armchair warriors, ass kissing their greedy, no chin leaders like good little nazis, i have to mince around in this meaningless capitashmalism rubbish, untill i've paid off what i owe, and can then dissapear out into the wilderness! so ye i try to spread a little of that back the way it came, it doesnt do any good, but fuck it.
probably won't bother coming back after my ban. ye ye good riddance, whatever.
watch out for the scary terrorists!
'Jewish settler attack' on film
By Tim Franks
BBC News, Jerusalem
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7451691.stm
'Footage from a video camera handed out by an Israeli human rights group appears to show Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians in the West Bank.
An elderly shepherd, his wife and a nephew said they were attacked by four masked men for allowing their animals to graze near the settlement of Susia.
The rights group, B'Tselem, said the cameras were provided to enable Palestinians to get proof of attacks.
A spokesman for the Israeli police said that an investigation was under way.
So far, no-one has been arrested.
For the past year, B'Tselem has handed out video cameras to Palestinians as part of its "Shooting Back" project.
The Palestinians said they were attacked after refusing to move
The BBC has been given exclusive access to the footage of this particular attack, which happened earlier this week. The date and time on the camera footage shows that it is Sunday afternoon.
Over the brow of the hill walk four masked men holding baseball bats. To the right of the screen, in the foreground, stands a 58-year-old Palestinian woman.
Thamam al-Nawaja has been herding her goats close to the Jewish settlement of Susia, near Hebron in the southern West Bank.
Within a few seconds, she, along with her 70-year-old husband and one of her nephews, will be beaten up.
As the first blows land, the woman filming - the daughter-in-law of the elderly couple - drops the camera and runs for help.
Mrs Nawaja spent three days in hospital after the attack.
Returning to the small Palestinian encampment close to the red-roofed houses of Susia, she stepped slowly and unsteadily out of the minibus.
A dark stain showed through the white gauze covering her broken right arm. Her veil was lifted gingerly away from her lined face. A bloodshot eye and intersection of scars revealed a fractured left cheek.
"The settlers gave us a 10-minute warning to clear off from the land," she told me, her voice a tired, cracked whisper.
She and her husband had stood their ground. It is at this point that her voice grows louder.
"They don't want us to stay on our land. But we won't leave. We'll die here. It's ours," she added.
Indeed, the rest of the world regards Jewish settlements in the West Bank such as Susia, as illegal, built on occupied territory.
Those settlements have been a large part of the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis for the last 41 years. The daily confrontation is not often caught on camera. That, now, is beginning to change.
The attack near Susia was filmed with one of 100 video cameras that B'Tselem has handed out to Palestinians in the region.
The thinking behind the project is that when trouble flares, rather than just giving a statement to the Israeli police or army, video carries much more weight.
"The difference is amazing," says Oren Yakobovich, who leads the Shooting Back project.
"When they have the camera, they have proof that something happened. They now have something they can work with, to use as a weapon."
We asked a spokesman from the Susia settlement for a comment on Sunday's incident. He declined.
Inside one of the tents belonging to the Palestinians living near Susia, we watched the footage of the aftermath of the attack - the victims slumped by the roadside, bloodied, waiting for an ambulance.
The bright, wide eyes of the children shone with the light of the small television screen.
Violence against Jews as well as Palestinians has long scarred this place. Video may now may be giving us a new and raw view.
But for most people here, the only answer - a political deal - remains out of sight.'
As much as I respect soldiers, go fuck yourself. You don't know who I am, at all. Go be sick to your stomach, then.
I don't know if you're talking about Specifics, but if you are, he's obviously quite sick. I'd feel worse about telling to him go fuck himself, if I hadn't already had it up to here with people's personal attacks.
"Footage from a video camera handed out by an Israeli human rights group appears to show Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians in the West Bank.
An elderly shepherd, his wife and a nephew said they were attacked by four masked men for allowing their animals to graze near the settlement of Susia.
The rights group, B'Tselem, said the cameras were provided to enable Palestinians to get proof of attacks.
A spokesman for the Israeli police said that an investigation was under way.
So far, no-one has been arrested. "
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The pull back should be in accordance with international law and the consensus of the international community - excluding the U.S which supports the occupation - which is that Israel needs to withdraw to the pre 1967 borders.
We know that Israel will never agree to anything and it will continue flouting International law as long as it's crimes are supported by the U.S government.