The US govt is trying to tank the economy on purpose

JamMastaE

jlew24asu wrote:

my post got deleted for some reason, but please put your money where your mouth is.

open an account and short QQQQ. you could be a millionaire since you are 100% sure of yourself.

the stock market is going to crash,why would i invest in it?

gold is the only worthy investment!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

All I can say is that the Jews were calm lining up to enter the gas chambers. A few protested, but I bet the people around them in line got somewhat annoyed.

I'm not saying that's what were looking at here, but its a phenomena and tactic of human nature that govt agencies definitely exploit.

I guess it all boils down to false flag operations, and how much of 9/11 does one really believe.

jlew24asu

JamMastaE wrote:

the stock market is going to crash,why would i invest in it?

gold is the only worthy investment!

wow, do you know what short selling is?

http://www.investorguide.com/igu-article-827-stock-strategies-short-selling.html

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It took about 50 years to pull off the EU. They have used that model to accelerate the NAU.

Bush is on the record for public stating to erase the borders of North America by 2010. That has been in all the mainstream news agencies. I think they are very much on track with it. The public is kept 100% in the dark by the media as to the details, and what it's really going to be like.

The Bush family is now one of the most wealthiest families in the world from all these lovely new wars. What's that saying "give me control of all the money...and I care not who makes the laws etc"...

Look how much Bush Sr is controlling the picture...he's not in office. Look at Bush Sr.'s father/grandfather....involved in Nazi funding and seizing of Nazi assets for personal gain. It's old blood money that this family has used to take things over. It's murder for power. I'd rather a more sensible group of people at the wheel. One's with some slightly higher moral values.

I agree with you that it's happening. I don't think it will be to the extent of the EU though. The standard of living differences Canada and the US and Mexico is too large. A country like Mexico would not be granted entry into the EU, subsequently our NAU pact will be substantially different in order to accomodate Mexico.

In the end I think a world with less rigid borders is a good thing. I believe all people are equal and borders are stumbling blocks to this concept for many. I don't care if my dollar is called an Amro or Mexitoonie. I'm not doom and gloom about it. It didn't end Europe and it won't end Canada. The NAU was inevitable once the EU occurred. In the end I'llbe happy as long as Canada controls it's natural resources, especially water.

Life is short, I will adapt where necessary and be happy.

edvedder3779

jlew24asu wrote:

wow, do you know what short selling is?

http://www.investorguide.com/igu-article-827-stock-strategies-short-selling.html

Jlew - thoughts on shorting Countrywide?

jlew24asu

edvedder3779 wrote:

Jlew - thoughts on shorting Countrywide?

funny you ask. I was just looking at this. I would say short for sure. they helped get us in this mess. here is a good article I was just reading when I saw your post...

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070817/countrywide_second_look.html?.v=1

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All I can say is that the Jews were calm lining up to enter the gas chambers. A few protested, but I bet the people around them in line got somewhat annoyed.

I'm not saying that's what were looking at here, but its a phenomena and tactic of human nature that govt agencies definitely exploit.

I guess it all boils down to false flag operations, and how much of 9/11 does one really believe.

I don't pass any judgment on 911 or "false flag operations", whether such situations as you speak are "real" or not, and when they are so.

As I learned to give up all my addictions (including "innocuous" ones like sugar, caffeine etc. even) I realized how much fear and distortion from my own personal inner filters I used to "read into" things as a product of my own imbalanced inner view, independent of reality. Therefore, I've learned to question and observe, but not judge, and to certainly not spread fear.

And my point is...irrespective of such issues...911, etc. this North American Union stuff is still extremely obvious when one looks into it. It's not about judging, it's about observing what is there before our eyes, if we are willing to look.

JamMastaE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All I can say is that the Jews were calm lining up to enter the gas chambers. A few protested, but I bet the people around them in line got somewhat annoyed.

I'm not saying that's what were looking at here, but its a phenomena and tactic of human nature that govt agencies definitely exploit.

I guess it all boils down to false flag operations, and how much of 9/11 does one really believe.

people around here find it hard to swallow that a certain faction within our government pulled off 9-11 to have an excuse to implement a control system and turn this into a totalitarian dictatorship.But we know the truth and they are not going to REX 84 my ass!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

This is my take:

The NAU and the Amero are happening.

In our evolution, it is natural at this time that our awareness is opening and we are learning to eliminate false lines, boundaries and borders. So for the good of humanity, we are learning to think globally. In our heart of hearts, we all know we are evolving in that direction naturally and eventually, even though we may want our lives to stay the same.

What is happening with the leaders in North America is aligned with this natural evolution and therefore their plan is happening and it's happening smoothly for them. These leaders are powerful people who know how to make things happen for their own purposes on the world stage. Most of us cannot imagine what this level of power and influence is because we do not share it.

These shifts are ushering in major change in our future. These shifts will be presented to us with the exceptional communication skill of those who are powerful. They will continue to share with us the aspects of such change in carefully calculated terms of how this will be beneficial to us, void of informing us of the downside, and the ways we will sacrifice and have to adapt. Therefore, if we are not self-educated, we will have to adapt when being blindly sideswiped in the future. There will be benefits, because this shift is aligned with natural evolution and with humanity developing a global mindset. And yet, ultimately most of us will never see or understand the power dynamics behind this shift that will benefit the "elite" and ultimately cause us "unexpected" damage, pain and big life change--because we don't think in such terms.

Allow me to share this example. My father is a record collector. He is one of Canada's top collectors. He goes to record conventions and shows. At each show, he offers a "free" draw. People will gladly write down their name, address and phone number in order to win 25 dollars worth of second hand records. The people think "hey, this is a great situation"--I win. They don't realize what is in it for my dad. He has compiled a vast mailing list for his business from these "draws". By sending flyers to all of these customers, he has cultivated a very valuable list of individuals who gladly part with their money to him. It's not that what he does is "wrong" per se. The thing is that the people are in general only aware of their own agendas which is "free records", and cannot imagine there is something else going on behind the scenes. They don't realize the calculating decisions my dad makes with the free records, and that his mailing list is one of his most valuable money-making tools. This "tool" helps him accumulate money from unsuspecting individuals who don't realize his further advertizing, through the mail, relieves them of their very money. They don't see the "cost" of the "free records". They must LIVE the costs, though, thinking that they are buying without influence. The thing is while people see what the benefits to them are, they don't realize the costs beneath the surface or the real truth of what is happening.

What I see happening with our governments is that these leaders believe the NAU will benefit us all. There will be vast upheaval, and change, and as usual, those who cannot adapt--will fall aside, and live out the fallout of this change. This is usual evolution. The leaders believe they are special, and have more power than the average person, and the majority supports this perception, letting it be so. The average person is willing to only pay attention to the "free records" they receive, while our leaders have learned to use power effectively and to get what they want to a very efficient degree. They feel that they have to make the choices for us, because we are like children for the most part, who don't know any better--and that is somewhat true...we don't know better, beyond our small worlds and our normal-people concerns. These leaders are able to stay reasonably balanced and empowered even though they are coming from this false, illusory view of being "better", because they are trained in highly effective and balanced skill sets, such as with communication and they are able to act balanced even when they are actually looking out for their own interests. They are our figureheads because they are so savvy with such skills.

The problem is, this is a position of false illusion and ego that they are coming from and they are acting on their own agendas. And even still, they remain completely powerful and in essence will not be stopped, because to a degree, this change is inevitable at this time. Like all positions of power, where the leaders are operating from ego and personal agenda, despite appearances, the personal agendas playing out by a few very human and fallible men(like all of us), there will ultimately be big mistakes. When a few people are making all the decisions with the unaware support of the people--the people who are focusing on the "free records" they will win, and thereby missing the full truth--the fallout will go almost unnoticed, or it will seem "natural". And really, it's inevitable from where we stand right now, because of the dynamics in play. Understanding this, we can own our personal power, and strategize to eliminate it up front. The way it stands right now, when the consequences of the human fallibility of our leader's choices happen, the people in general will not be able to appreciate it is a consequence of the power dynamics they are not looking at, but which exist behind the scenes. We can counterbalance this now. We can all decide to stay open to understanding what might be going on behind the scenes, thereby staying personally empowered, and not giving our power away.

This ball is rolling with the SPP. Potential problems can be minimized by our intelligent wakefulness. What we can do is to be willing to listen to and consider these issues, and to research them. Closing our minds to what is outside our own immediate agenda, and blaming those who are spreading the information is like being a cancer cell in the body. We don't need to undermine the cells next to us, because like a cancer, doing so eventually leads to our own downfall as neighbouring cells as well, and to the downfall of the entire body.

So far, these people have used the famous "foot in the door" principle. This means they have easily gotten their foot in the door. It's followed by us allowing them to "walk right into our homes". Psychologically speaking, when you get a person to accept something, you can get them to accept bigger and worse things down the road. The reason for this is because as a rule humans do not like to be inconsistent. So as the governments slide this by us and we accept it on their terms, unequivocally because we are unaware of the fullness of it, and/or because they are doing it beyond our reach and we stay quiet. Later, then, when the more obvious issues arise, we will all want to justify what we excused earlier in the game so that we don't feel inner pain and distress--we'll need to adapt. We will need to feel inner consistency, so as to avoid self-blame, a large majority of us will gladly support them and accept their bandwagon. (ie: war in Iraq that is still being accepted and perpetuated, albeit passively by the majority) The way to avoid this natural power manipulation is to be aware of it. If we realize how power works--by manipulating and molding natural human tendencies, we can be awake and side-step any power plays. By doing so, we can remain balanced and empowered as a people. And we can make sure that we are also aligned with this natural evolution that is happening. Especially, that we are making sure we are not being led blindly, but rather that we are expecting our leaders to make decisions with OUR best interests at heart, as is their job as our elected officials. It is up to us to assume our inherent equality and to stand tall and demand that equality in each moment. The bottom line is, it is up to us as individuals to support and stand behind our agendas, and to not let people bowl us over in their pursuits. If we don't do it on our behalf, no one else will.

Peace.

Angelica,

I really couldn't have explained that any better myself, and I mean that. You have wisdom and insight on this topic that exceeds international standard.

I'm glad you took the time to share it.

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Angelica,

I really couldn't have explained that any better myself, and I mean that. You have wisdom and insight on this topic that exceeds international standard.

I'm glad you took the time to share it.

Honestly Roland, I've been touched by the energy this topic is generating, espcially since I know what you have been going through to selflessly bring this awareness to the masses--probably at personal sacrifice to yourself. I was literally teary eyed, earlier, thinking of that. I realize I see things I need to share. I'm bumbling around with some other stuff in my own life, and it's taken until now that I could represent the "Truth" on this--and it's very real--in a balanced and realistic light.

Blessings to you...really...whether people realize it or not, you are doing a stellar job on this.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

JamMastaE wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

Isn't that a rather telling moment in history. The silence(ing) was deafening.

Rygar

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Isn't that a rather telling moment in history. The silence(ing) was deafening.

I'm confused as to why you pointed to the spp website at the beginning of the thread, as you obviously believe the NAU and shared currency to be fact but when you posted the links to the site (and Harper's aid's email referred to it as well) you didn't say anything other than here is the site. I may have missed it if you posted that a few pages in instead.
Could you clarify your reasons behind posting those links?

Rygar

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So they can introduce the Amero and form the North American Union.

"When the U.S. currency collapses, it will take with it, both the Canadian dollar and Mexican Peso because both countries are so heavily invested in the U.S. dollar through trade with the US.

During such a collapse, when hundreds of millions of average citizens face absolute destitution because their currencies have been wiped out, these Conspirators will turn to 'The People" of each nation and say "your only hope is to merge all three countries and make a new start." "

This NAU deal is not some myth folks...it's coming. It's here. Notice the date on the coins?

http://halturnershow.com/20AmeroCoin.jpg
http://halturnershow.com/100AmeroCoin.jpg
http://halturnershow.com/PureSilver100AmeroCoin.jpg

newspaper article:
http://www.sfu.ca/~grubel/images/FP%209.8.02%20amero%20time0017.JPG

Google Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

The vid isn't bad.

I would also point out that the coins pictured in your links are jokes that you appear to be passing off as fact. 'Parody' coins designed by parody coin designer Daniel Carr.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57194
http://www.designscomputed.com/coins/amero.html

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Rygar wrote:

I'm confused as to why you pointed to the spp website at the beginning of the thread, as you obviously believe the NAU and shared currency to be fact but when you posted the links to the site (and Harper's aid's email referred to it as well) you didn't say anything other than here is the site. I may have missed it if you posted that a few pages in instead.
Could you clarify your reasons behind posting those links?

Someone asked for credible sources. I just regurgitated what the gov't is giving telling me and drawing additional conclusions based on current and past political events from around the world.

It really is just my opinion on how the economy will react and/or the causes therein, however I believe the writing is already on the wall.

I can see it all taking shape now, stemming from 09/11/2001.

Breaking down North America right now into one big country is crazy talk, but not only are they talking about it....they are doing it....and for years now. since 9/11.

Also especially now with the Iraq war going on. No gov't has resouces to do both jobs responsibly. Think about it. This is a all some scheme planned from the very beginning.

It a scam on the public being played out by highly questionable individuals doing highly questionable things around the world.

Terrorism is a tactic. You cannot wage a war on it. How utterly ludicrous!! Terrorism is a reflex response to conflict...oppression...foreign occupation. Look at who is imposing where right now, and doing what. Wasting trillions to burden the US economy into great disadvantage and potential peril.

War mongers. North America is about to be over run by war mongering power hungry elitists. Should we allow it?

Ok, I rambled there... but I hope I answered your question.

Rygar

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Someone asked for credible sources. I just regurgitated what the gov't is giving telling me and drawing additional conclusions based on current and past political events from around the world.

It really is just my opinion on how the economy will react and/or the causes therein, however I believe the writing is already on the wall.

I can see it all taking shape now, stemming from 09/11/2001.

Breaking down North America right now into one big country is crazy talk, but not only are they talking about it....they are doing it....and for years now. since 9/11.

Also especially now with the Iraq war going on. No gov't has resouces to do both jobs responsibly. Think about it. This is a all some scheme planned from the very beginning.

It a scam on the public being played out by highly questionable individuals doing highly questionable things around the world.

Terrorism is a tactic. You cannot wage a war on it. How utterly ludicrous!! Terrorism is a reflex response to conflict...oppression...foreign occupation. Look at who is imposing where right now, and doing what. Wasting trillions to burden the US economy into great disadvantage and potential peril.

War mongers. North America is about to be over run by war mongering power hungry elitists. Should we allow it?

Ok, I rambled there... but I hope I answered your question.

More or less. I think the confusion was that I had the impression you were attempting to provide facts, and the spp website denies there are any treaties or agreements signed, and deny any plans to form a common currency or NAU. Normally I don't believe much of what the government says, so the impressions of fact and intent collided in my brain.

At this stage I'm not really sure what to believe. It would certainly not come as a big surprise if this stuff was in the works, but I'm not convinced that it is a near-future inevitability or current fact yet.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Rygar wrote:

More or less. I think the confusion was that I had the impression you were attempting to provide facts, and the spp website denies there are any treaties or agreements signed, and deny any plans to form a common currency or NAU. Normally I don't believe much of what the government says, so the impressions of fact and intent collided in my brain.

At this stage I'm not really sure what to believe. It would certainly not come as a big surprise if this stuff was in the works, but I'm not convinced that it is a near-future inevitability or current fact yet.

Fair enough. Being aware is half the battle. It's apparent to me from your response that you are an open minded educated individual with good intentions.

A refreshing change from the usual responses I see here.

freedomboy

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I don't think anyone's going like much of anything Bush is planning...

It isn't just Bush and his cronies... It is the RNC & the DNC too! This is something bigger than the scope of our knowledge as citizens, but it will be very interesting to see what takes place here, if anything... could be a bunch of hype and bullshit... like the 9/11 truthers are putting out...

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Fair enough. Being aware is half the battle. It's apparent to me from your response that you are an open minded educated individual with good intentions.

A refreshing change from the usual responses I see here.

Roland you are smarter than to fall into the old Liberal clap trap thinking that if we agree with you we're open minded but if we don't agree with you we are close minded or uneducated. It's the same mind set that George Bush uses when he says "you're either with us or against us", just worded differently.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

Roland you are smarter than to fall into the old Liberal clap trap thinking that if we agree with you we're open minded but if we don't agree with you we are close minded or uneducated.

Oh nobody has to agree with me word for word....or at all.

However, I don't think it would be wise to turn a blind eye to what's going on either. What's that saying about absolute power corrupts...and it corrupting absolutely?

godpt3

drivingrl wrote:

How's about a credible source?

They can't produce one, because there isn't any.