The US govt is trying to tank the economy on purpose

jlew24asu

g under p wrote:

Do we really think things are going to stay the same and sail along smoothly as if our governments will tell the truth. Come on please especially with this administration, "Can't Truss It".

Peace

ok, so you believe the government really is tanking the stock market on purpose?

g under p

That would be a yes! Keep the the blinders on.

Peace

JamMastaE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So they can introduce the Amero and form the North American Union.

"When the U.S. currency collapses, it will take with it, both the Canadian dollar and Mexican Peso because both countries are so heavily invested in the U.S. dollar through trade with the US.

During such a collapse, when hundreds of millions of average citizens face absolute destitution because their currencies have been wiped out, these Conspirators will turn to 'The People" of each nation and say "your only hope is to merge all three countries and make a new start." "

This NAU deal is not some myth folks...it's coming. It's here. Notice the date on the coins?

http://halturnershow.com/20AmeroCoin.jpg
http://halturnershow.com/100AmeroCoin.jpg
http://halturnershow.com/PureSilver100AmeroCoin.jpg

newspaper article:
http://www.sfu.ca/~grubel/images/FP%209.8.02%20amero%20time0017.JPG

Google Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

ssshhhhhhhh!!!!people around here like to label any truth they can't handle as a conspiracy theory.if CNN,ABC,CBS or FOX say it's not true then that's good enough for them.

jlew24asu

g under p wrote:

That would be a yes! Keep the the blinders on.

Peace

any proof?

jlew24asu

JamMastaE wrote:

ssshhhhhhhh!!!!people around here like to label any truth they can't handle a conspiracy theory.

this place is funny. so 1 guy says the amero is going to happen and its PROOF? FACT!!!!! GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!

the reporter from CNBC looked like he was holding in his laugh.

again, this place is funny. you will believe anything that is posted on the internet. as long as it goes against the grain, you are sold. hook line and sinker. I know its funny, but I actually feel sorry for you.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

you are driftin need to help build each others bunkers. start planting your seeds for some rice...maybe some wheat. the end of civilization is near.

im so impressed how ahead of the game you are.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

And you impress me so much more than any keyboard will allow me to convey.

No really. It's true.

Hartydog

g under p wrote:

That would be a yes! Keep the the blinders on.

Peace

How about the fact the Federal Reserve has pumped about $90 billion of liquidity into the debt markets this week? The seems more like a move to stabilize the market.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

And you impress me so much more than any keyboard will allow me to convey.

No really. It's true.

ziiiiiiiiiiiiing

jlew24asu

Hartydog wrote:

How about the fact the Federal Reserve has pumped about $90 billion of liquidity into the debt markets this week? The seems more like a move to stabilize the market.

I just wanna make sure he can see that.


but on this subject, I'm on the fence with them doing this. yes, they are trying to help the economy by doing this, but it takes away from letting the market fix itself on its own. like free markets do. I can go either way.

jeffbr

Hartydog wrote:

How about the fact the Federal Reserve has pumped about $90 billion of liquidity into the debt markets this week? The seems more like a move to stabilize the market.

Exactly. This coupled with the fact that we're going into a presidential campaign season, where everything will be as upbeat as possible. Belief in an intentional tanking of the economy makes no sense.

jlew24asu

jeffbr wrote:

Exactly. This coupled with the fact that we're going into a presidential campaign season, where everything will be as upbeat as possible. Belief in an intentional tanking of the economy makes no sense.

yea but roland posted a youtube video that clearly shows some guy saying its gonna happen. what say you now smart guy??? huh??

jeffbr

jlew24asu wrote:

yea but roland posted a youtube video that clearly shows some guy saying its gonna happen. what say you now smart guy??? huh??

Oh, shit! YouTube? Damn, my bad.

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

That's entirely in your perception. I never really expect you agree with anything I say regardless of whether it makes sense to you or not.

If you like the idea state why, instead of citing my character in a negative light. I can do the same bs to you right back...I'm no slouch at it....so fun... so constructive.

If you want the NAU/SPP say why you think it's good for North America.

Did you hear about it here first or something? and you're taking stabs at me for informing you about it?

Hey...thanks man...no really.

I stated quite clearly why. Europe has not come to a catclysmic halt. Life goes on.

The article you linked to is 5 years old. So when is this happening? In the last 12 months of Bush's reign? Or is he going to be pulling this off when he's not in power? If he's doing it while not in power then he must be a whole smarter than people give him credit for.

At this point, with all the power and responsibility that people have gladly handed over to the government in the past if the 3 governments want it they're going to get it. With every social program demanded by the people from the government we ceded both individual responsibility and power. We are just reaping what we've sown. So many people wanted government to take care of them, well they might just get it and find out it's not at all what they wanted.

angelica

This is my take:

The NAU and the Amero are happening.

In our evolution, it is natural at this time that our awareness is opening and we are learning to eliminate false lines, boundaries and borders. So for the good of humanity, we are learning to think globally. In our heart of hearts, we all know we are evolving in that direction naturally and eventually, even though we may want our lives to stay the same.

What is happening with the leaders in North America is aligned with this natural evolution and therefore their plan is happening and it's happening smoothly for them. These leaders are powerful people who know how to make things happen for their own purposes on the world stage. Most of us cannot imagine what this level of power and influence is because we do not share it.

These shifts are ushering in major change in our future. These shifts will be presented to us with the exceptional communication skill of those who are powerful. They will continue to share with us the aspects of such change in carefully calculated terms of how this will be beneficial to us, void of informing us of the downside, and the ways we will sacrifice and have to adapt. Therefore, if we are not self-educated, we will have to adapt when being blindly sideswiped in the future. There will be benefits, because this shift is aligned with natural evolution and with humanity developing a global mindset. And yet, ultimately most of us will never see or understand the power dynamics behind this shift that will benefit the "elite" and ultimately cause us "unexpected" damage, pain and big life change--because we don't think in such terms.

Allow me to share this example. My father is a record collector. He is one of Canada's top collectors. He goes to record conventions and shows. At each show, he offers a "free" draw. People will gladly write down their name, address and phone number in order to win 25 dollars worth of second hand records. The people think "hey, this is a great situation"--I win. They don't realize what is in it for my dad. He has compiled a vast mailing list for his business from these "draws". By sending flyers to all of these customers, he has cultivated a very valuable list of individuals who gladly part with their money to him. It's not that what he does is "wrong" per se. The thing is that the people are in general only aware of their own agendas which is "free records", and cannot imagine there is something else going on behind the scenes. They don't realize the calculating decisions my dad makes with the free records, and that his mailing list is one of his most valuable money-making tools. This "tool" helps him accumulate money from unsuspecting individuals who don't realize his further advertizing, through the mail, relieves them of their very money. They don't see the "cost" of the "free records". They must LIVE the costs, though, thinking that they are buying without influence. The thing is while people see what the benefits to them are, they don't realize the costs beneath the surface or the real truth of what is happening.

What I see happening with our governments is that these leaders believe the NAU will benefit us all. There will be vast upheaval, and change, and as usual, those who cannot adapt--will fall aside, and live out the fallout of this change. This is usual evolution. The leaders believe they are special, and have more power than the average person, and the majority supports this perception, letting it be so. The average person is willing to only pay attention to the "free records" they receive, while our leaders have learned to use power effectively and to get what they want to a very efficient degree. They feel that they have to make the choices for us, because we are like children for the most part, who don't know any better--and that is somewhat true...we don't know better, beyond our small worlds and our normal-people concerns. These leaders are able to stay reasonably balanced and empowered even though they are coming from this false, illusory view of being "better", because they are trained in highly effective and balanced skill sets, such as with communication and they are able to act balanced even when they are actually looking out for their own interests. They are our figureheads because they are so savvy with such skills.

The problem is, this is a position of false illusion and ego that they are coming from and they are acting on their own agendas. And even still, they remain completely powerful and in essence will not be stopped, because to a degree, this change is inevitable at this time. Like all positions of power, where the leaders are operating from ego and personal agenda, despite appearances, the personal agendas playing out by a few very human and fallible men(like all of us), there will ultimately be big mistakes. When a few people are making all the decisions with the unaware support of the people--the people who are focusing on the "free records" they will win, and thereby missing the full truth--the fallout will go almost unnoticed, or it will seem "natural". And really, it's inevitable from where we stand right now, because of the dynamics in play. Understanding this, we can own our personal power, and strategize to eliminate it up front. The way it stands right now, when the consequences of the human fallibility of our leader's choices happen, the people in general will not be able to appreciate it is a consequence of the power dynamics they are not looking at, but which exist behind the scenes. We can counterbalance this now. We can all decide to stay open to understanding what might be going on behind the scenes, thereby staying personally empowered, and not giving our power away.

This ball is rolling with the SPP. Potential problems can be minimized by our intelligent wakefulness. What we can do is to be willing to listen to and consider these issues, and to research them. Closing our minds to what is outside our own immediate agenda, and blaming those who are spreading the information is like being a cancer cell in the body. We don't need to undermine the cells next to us, because like a cancer, doing so eventually leads to our own downfall as neighbouring cells as well, and to the downfall of the entire body.

So far, these people have used the famous "foot in the door" principle. This means they have easily gotten their foot in the door. It's followed by us allowing them to "walk right into our homes". Psychologically speaking, when you get a person to accept something, you can get them to accept bigger and worse things down the road. The reason for this is because as a rule humans do not like to be inconsistent. So as the governments slide this by us and we accept it on their terms, unequivocally because we are unaware of the fullness of it, and/or because they are doing it beyond our reach and we stay quiet. Later, then, when the more obvious issues arise, we will all want to justify what we excused earlier in the game so that we don't feel inner pain and distress--we'll need to adapt. We will need to feel inner consistency, so as to avoid self-blame, a large majority of us will gladly support them and accept their bandwagon. (ie: war in Iraq that is still being accepted and perpetuated, albeit passively by the majority) The way to avoid this natural power manipulation is to be aware of it. If we realize how power works--by manipulating and molding natural human tendencies, we can be awake and side-step any power plays. By doing so, we can remain balanced and empowered as a people. And we can make sure that we are also aligned with this natural evolution that is happening. Especially, that we are making sure we are not being led blindly, but rather that we are expecting our leaders to make decisions with OUR best interests at heart, as is their job as our elected officials. It is up to us to assume our inherent equality and to stand tall and demand that equality in each moment. The bottom line is, it is up to us as individuals to support and stand behind our agendas, and to not let people bowl us over in their pursuits. If we don't do it on our behalf, no one else will.

Peace.

jlew24asu

angelica, the government can not call the shots on this one. keep up the good fight

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

angelica, the government can not call the shots on this one. keep up the good fight

I have absolute and total faith in the people. As long as they hear and eventually understand this, we will keep it in balance. Peace.

JamMastaE

jlew24asu wrote:

this place is funny. so 1 guy says the amero is going to happen and its PROOF? FACT!!!!! GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!

the reporter from CNBC looked like he was holding in his laugh.

again, this place is funny. you will believe anything that is posted on the internet. as long as it goes against the grain, you are sold. hook line and sinker. I know its funny, but I actually feel sorry for you.

it's not about believing everything i see on the net,it's about knowing mainstream media is totally controlled,totally!!! you can't trust a word that comes out of there paid for mouths.

save the sympathy for your own dumb ass,you need as much as you can get.when the shit hits the fan (very soon) you'll have an Epiphany,followed by a desire to kick your self in the ass.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

I stated quite clearly why. Europe has not come to a catclysmic halt. Life goes on.

The article you linked to is 5 years old. So when is this happening? In the last 12 months of Bush's reign? Or is he going to be pulling this off when he's not in power? If he's doing it while not in power then he must be a whole smarter than people give him credit for.

At this point, with all the power and responsibility that people have gladly handed over to the government in the past if the 3 governments want it they're going to get it. With every social program demanded by the people from the government we ceded both individual responsibility and power. We are just reaping what we've sown. So many people wanted government to take care of them, well they might just get it and find out it's not at all what they wanted.

It took about 50 years to pull off the EU. They have used that model to accelerate the NAU.

Bush is on the record for public stating to erase the borders of North America by 2010. That has been in all the mainstream news agencies. I think they are very much on track with it. The public is kept 100% in the dark by the media as to the details, and what it's really going to be like.

The Bush family is now one of the most wealthiest families in the world from all these lovely new wars. What's that saying "give me control of all the money...and I care not who makes the laws etc"...

Look how much Bush Sr is controlling the picture...he's not in office. Look at Bush Sr.'s father/grandfather....involved in Nazi funding and seizing of Nazi assets for personal gain. It's old blood money that this family has used to take things over. It's murder for power. I'd rather a more sensible group of people at the wheel. One's with some slightly higher moral values.

jlew24asu

JamMastaE wrote:

it's not about believing everything i see on the net,it's about knowing mainstream media is totally controlled,totally!!! you can't trust a word that comes out of there paid for mouths.

save the sympathy for your own dumb ass,you need as much as you can get.when the shit hits the fan (very soon) you'll have an Epiphany,followed by a desire to kick your self in the ass.

my post got deleted for some reason, but please put your money where your mouth is.

open an account and short QQQQ. you could be a millionaire since you are 100% sure of yourself.

JamMastaE

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It took about 50 years to pull off the EU. They have used that model to accelerate the NAU.

Bush is on the record for public stating to erase the borders of North America by 2010. That has been in all the mainstream news agencies. I think they are very much on track with it. The public is kept 100% in the dark by the media as to the details, and what it's really going to be like.

The Bush family is now one of the most wealthiest families in the world from all these lovely new wars. What's that saying "give me control of all the money...and I care not who makes the laws etc"...

Look how much Bush Sr is controlling the picture...he's not in office. Look at Bush Sr.'s father/grandfather....involved in Nazi funding and seizing of Nazi assets for personal gain. It's old blood money that this family has used to take things over. It's murder for power. I'd rather a more sensible group of people at the wheel. One's with some slightly higher moral values.

ah,a Kindred spirit!! welcome my friend!!!