Maybe you don't get government interference, but I, and several other people I know, do. We don't live free lives here, and we don't have the freedom of things like political expression or access to information.
Really? How so? What information have you sought and been denied? What expressions have you been prevented from making?
Really? How so? What information have you sought and been denied? What expressions have you been prevented from making?
You can actually be persecuted in the U.S. for accessing certain "websites"... that would be considered "evidence." You can be persecuted for saying things contrary to what the government wants you to say. I've seen it happen before. Just because you haven't doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You can actually be persecuted in the U.S. for accessing certain "websites"... that would be considered "evidence." You can be persecuted for saying things contrary to what the government wants you to say. I've seen it happen before. Just because you haven't doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
No, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But just because you claim you know a guy who went to a website and was "persecuted" doesn't mean that it does exist. In fact, that sentence doesn't even make sense. Evidence of what? What websites were accessed and what persecution followed? What did you or someone you know say that the government didn't want you to say and what persecution followed?
No, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But just because you claim you know a guy who went to a website and was "persecuted" doesn't mean that it does exist. In fact, that sentence doesn't even make sense. Evidence of what? What websites were accessed and what persecution followed? What did you or someone you know say that the government didn't want you to say and what persecution followed?
I actually don't care enough to convince a random internet poster about this, forget it.
No, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But just because you claim you know a guy who went to a website and was "persecuted" doesn't mean that it does exist. In fact, that sentence doesn't even make sense. Evidence of what? What websites were accessed and what persecution followed? What did you or someone you know say that the government didn't want you to say and what persecution followed?
Are you kidding?? Let's take the example of Ambassador Joe Wilson. He wrote an OP ED piece for the NY Times arguing that the White House was being dishonest with the information it was passing along to the public, that there was a covert distribution system in place for moving Yellow Cake out of Africa
that would be a great threat to the U.S. For his patriotism, Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame, were hit pretty effin hard by Cheney and Jr.
So there you have it, mass media and persecution, all in tidy little story for you.
Are you kidding?? Let's take the example of Ambassador Joe Wilson. He wrote an OP ED piece for the NY Times arguing that the White House was being dishonest with the information it was passing along to the public, that there was a covert distribution system in place for moving Yellow Cake out of Africa
that would be a great threat to the U.S. For his patriotism, Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame, were hit pretty effin hard by Cheney and Jr.
So there you have it, mass media and persecution, all in tidy little story for you.
Hit how? Last I checked, none of them were executed or jailed. In fact, some of the people responsible for leaking Plame's covert status were actually jailed.
Hit how? Last I checked, none of them were executed or jailed. In fact, some of the people responsible for leaking Plame's covert status were actually jailed.
Who was jailed? And we all took the hit on that. Plame's intelligence work, which surveilled Iranian nuclear ambition, was completely hamstrung.
She was then discredited by the Whitehouse and a campaign to discredit Wilson was begun as well.
You can add their attorneys fees to the loss of their careers, to the hits they had to sustain.
That is alarming. I hope they win their appeal, if their operations are truly as clean as they say they are. I don't doubt there are many miscarriages of justice in this country, and much political manipulation of the system and railroading (as in the Plame example mentioned above). But to argue that it comes anywhere near matching total state control as in China is absurd. Here we have trials, appeals, unlimited internet access, etc. Granted, the powerful will always be able to abuse these processes to an extent for their own benefit. But I'd still prefer to be here than China, where you could not even read a story like this and would probably be executed without appeal if they decided you had done something like this. Things here are far from perfect, but they could also be far worse. I prefer my chances of taking on the establishment here to trying it in China. That's all I'm saying.
while i was riding my bike home today, a thought occured to me.....i needed someone with authority to show me how "not to be" or how "to be". in essence, i became better than the person that had authority over me, if i disliked the way they used their authority. the inverse is true, if i liked the way the person used their authority, i could only learn from them.
despite all of our differences, i know we have much in common and i wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
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Really? How so? What information have you sought and been denied? What expressions have you been prevented from making?
No, just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But just because you claim you know a guy who went to a website and was "persecuted" doesn't mean that it does exist. In fact, that sentence doesn't even make sense. Evidence of what? What websites were accessed and what persecution followed? What did you or someone you know say that the government didn't want you to say and what persecution followed?
I'm not surprised.
Are you kidding?? Let's take the example of Ambassador Joe Wilson. He wrote an OP ED piece for the NY Times arguing that the White House was being dishonest with the information it was passing along to the public, that there was a covert distribution system in place for moving Yellow Cake out of Africa
that would be a great threat to the U.S. For his patriotism, Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame, were hit pretty effin hard by Cheney and Jr.
So there you have it, mass media and persecution, all in tidy little story for you.
Hit how? Last I checked, none of them were executed or jailed. In fact, some of the people responsible for leaking Plame's covert status were actually jailed.
Who was jailed? And we all took the hit on that. Plame's intelligence work, which surveilled Iranian nuclear ambition, was completely hamstrung.
She was then discredited by the Whitehouse and a campaign to discredit Wilson was begun as well.
You can add their attorneys fees to the loss of their careers, to the hits they had to sustain.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7747187.stm
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
That is alarming. I hope they win their appeal, if their operations are truly as clean as they say they are. I don't doubt there are many miscarriages of justice in this country, and much political manipulation of the system and railroading (as in the Plame example mentioned above). But to argue that it comes anywhere near matching total state control as in China is absurd. Here we have trials, appeals, unlimited internet access, etc. Granted, the powerful will always be able to abuse these processes to an extent for their own benefit. But I'd still prefer to be here than China, where you could not even read a story like this and would probably be executed without appeal if they decided you had done something like this. Things here are far from perfect, but they could also be far worse. I prefer my chances of taking on the establishment here to trying it in China. That's all I'm saying.
despite all of our differences, i know we have much in common and i wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving.