What is God?

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Huh?

    Hello Ahnimus. I'm coming to you from the beginning of time. At least that what my Mom says.

    I'm paddling my canoe over the the river Ego. This river is not characteristic of the fluid water you know, it is made of stars. Galaxies rise and fall with each paddlestroke, echoing, echoing, echoing.

    I love you, man.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    Hello Ahnimus. I'm coming to you from the beginning of time. At least that what my Mom says.

    I'm paddling my canoe over the the river Ego. This river is not characteristic of the fluid water you know, it is made of stars. Galaxies rise and fall with each paddlestroke, echoing, echoing, echoing.

    I love you, man.

    Hey, I'm not very good at reading poetry and that. I have no idea what you are saying. :p
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    sponger wrote:
    Yes, in terms of a baby's brain, love = intellectual stimulation. Love in this sense is plain old fashion interaction. Of course, yelling and insults are also interaction. But, I would think that the baby would then develop nervousness, which could stunt development in some form or another.

    Happiness can have a profound effect on a person's well-being.

    Absolutely a baby that does not get proper positive stimulation (Love) will learn to evoke negative stimulation to compensate. Or perhaps develope some kind of self-esteem complex. I just don't think a baby would in fact die if it only received negative stimulation from the care-giver.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Absolutely a baby that does not get proper positive stimulation (Love) will learn to evoke negative stimulation to compensate. Or perhaps develope some kind of self-esteem complex. I just don't think a baby would in fact die if it only received negative stimulation from the care-giver.

    I don't think it would die either. What I'm talking about is retention of brain matter. Whether that retention results from positive or negative stimulation is something I am not aware of.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    sponger wrote:
    I don't think it would die either. What I'm talking about is retention of brain matter. Whether that retention results from positive or negative stimulation is something I am not aware of.

    My understanding is that retention results from any kind of stimulation.

    A study performed put newborn monkeys in a dark room, the monkey never perceived light. They were later found to be blind.

    Had the monkeys seen any form of light, anything at all, they could have developed a working visual cortex, V1, V2 and V4 regions. I would assume that a baby that was never loved wouldn't know how to love, but they would still have an amygdala, the emotional center of the brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    about the baby thing. at the moment my 3 month old granddaughter lives in my house. she cries when she wants something. she cries because she can not tell us what she wants. we, as her caregivers must decipher it for ourselves through a process of elimination. she also vocalises like she is trying to tell us something and we respond to her when she does so as if we were ahving aconversation with her. she cries when we leave her alone. she wants to held all the time (which of course we can not do). but if we soothe her by touching and talking with her then she is fine. she gets the reassurance she needs that she is not being left alone entirely.
    you can say the most obscene and disparaging things to an infant and if you say it in a pleasing voice they smile. they are responding to both your vocal tone and physical tone.
    it is my opinion after 20 years of watching my own children and those around me that babies are born knowing nothing, except perhaps how to suck. all they came to be, is learned behaviour through the living experience. just as baby birds have the ability to fly they nonetheless have to learn to fly in order to survive. likewise human babies must learn walk and talk if they are able, in order to survive. if they are uanble to walk and talk then they must be shown alternatives.
    hear my name
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    hold my hand
    lie beside me
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Absolutely a baby that does not get proper positive stimulation (Love) will learn to evoke negative stimulation to compensate. Or perhaps develope some kind of self-esteem complex. I just don't think a baby would in fact die if it only received negative stimulation from the care-giver.

    There are, in fact, reported cases, of such concentric, ego-involved, within a tribe, as to cause the death of a younger person just by a certain condemnatative word.

    *I think I made a new word there.

    It is written, I have read about it. Early English explorers in 19th century Africa.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    about the baby thing. at the moment my 3 month old granddaughter lives in my house. she cries when she wants something. she cries because she can not tell us what she wants. we, as her caregivers must decipher it for ourselves through a process of elimination. she also vocalises like she is trying to tell us something and we respond to her when she does so as if we were ahving aconversation with her. she cries when we leave her alone. she wants to held all the time (which of course we can not do). but if we soothe her by touching and talking with her then she is fine. she gets the reassurance she needs that she is not being left alone entirely.
    you can say the most obscene and disparaging things to an infant and if you say it in a pleasing voice they smile. they are responding to both your vocal tone and physical tone.
    it is my opinion after 20 years of watching my own children and those around me that babies are born knowing nothing, except perhaps how to suck. all they came to be, is learned behaviour through the living experience. just as baby birds have the ability to fly they nonetheless have to learn to fly in order to survive. likewise human babies must learn walk and talk if they are able, in order to survive. if they are uanble to walk and talk then they must be shown alternatives.

    That's interesting that you mention sucking. It's called a reflex action I believe. There are several of them, like kicking the feet, this is almost universal amongst babies. They seem to share innate behaviors, I believe they are called reflex actions, because they aren't like complex behaviors. They also go through stages. I'll have to look it up later on.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    There are, in fact, reported cases, of such concentric, ego-involved, within a tribe, as to cause the death of a younger person just by a certain condemnatative word.

    *I think I made a new word there.

    It is written, I have read about it. Early English explorers in 19th century Africa.

    I'd be skeptical of that, but if you can find a source, I'll have a look at it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's interesting that you mention sucking. It's called a reflex action I believe. There are several of them, like kicking the feet, this is almost universal amongst babies. They seem to share innate behaviors, I believe they are called reflex actions, because they aren't like complex behaviors. They also go through stages. I'll have to look it up later on.

    interesting that those so called reflex actions are actions that babies do in utero.
    and yes we all know babies go through stages. as they acquire one skill they go on to accomplish a more complex skill. one can not run before one learns to walk, so to speak. :) my son never crawled in the conventional sense. he would pull himself along the ground like a little commando going under the razor wire. he was never on his hands and knees. when he was ten months old he started to walk.
    sucking is a skill a baby requires in order to survive. i wouldn't call it a reflex. all mammals need to suckle to survive.
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    lie beside me
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'd be skeptical of that, but if you can find a source, I'll have a look at it.


    Apparently the social construct was based in the hierarchy of the fear of death. Honest to goodness. Once the witchdoctor said *****, to you, you believed it, and dropped dead.

    It was rarely used, of course, thus magnifying it's power.

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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Ahnimus wrote:
    My understanding is that retention results from any kind of stimulation.

    A study performed put newborn monkeys in a dark room, the monkey never perceived light. They were later found to be blind.

    Had the monkeys seen any form of light, anything at all, they could have developed a working visual cortex, V1, V2 and V4 regions. I would assume that a baby that was never loved wouldn't know how to love, but they would still have an amygdala, the emotional center of the brain.

    Stimulation in the form of interpersonal interaction has been shown to be the most effective means of brain retention. In order to conclude that negative interactions have the same retention effects, there would have to be a case where a bay was given the same amount of negative attention as a normally developed child was given positive stimulation.

    I would think that parents who only act negatively toward their child probably also neglect that child to a certain extent. Of course,what we're referring to his emotionally abusive parents. For some reason, I don't think the mind develops quite as well when it is subjected to prolonged emotional abuse.

    At some point, I would think the baby would eventually become scorned by the negative emotions and thus lose sincere interest in interacting.
  • I understand what you are saying, and somewhat agree, but not totally. Even if this is how people have used religion, is this a knock against religion itself? Or is this a knock against some of the people who tend to believe in it. I completely agree that some people who claim to be religious are the most evil people to exist, as they use something that is suppose to be the ultimate good in order to commit evil. However, just because there is a misuse of religion does not mean that religion itself it reducible to simply thise use or purpose. In the past I have shared your view and your view only. However, meeting authentic religious people, as well as reading brilliant writers such as CS Lewis have opened my eyes to the fact that simply because something is used wrong does not make the thing itself wrong.

    this is my beleif, not a KNOCK against anyone. Good luck to all who have faith in god. I dont thats all.
    Through my study of history I just see the same thing again and again.
    My wish is that humanity will one day have faith in each other instead of gods. It seems that religon is responsable for a lot of war/hate. not all of course but a lot. greed also is responsable.
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • The only thing we can know for sure is that...nobody really knows for sure :) and that's the God honest truth!
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    The only thing we can know for sure is that...nobody really knows for sure :) and that's the God honest truth!

    I was watching a Da Vinci Code documentary today and there were all these 'experts' talking and saying why it was possible and others why it absolutely wasn't... I had the exact same thought as you, it happened almost 2000 years ago, nobody knows, nobody!
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • titefkatitefka Posts: 35
    binger wrote:

    God is the energy in the space between everything in the universe.

    The source.
    I agree.
    The word "God" became such a cliche that I'm wondering sometimes why not to find a different,more suitable one.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I think I've just found the answer to my original question in the name of a board member:

    Gossard is God
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I think I've just found the answer to my original question in the name of a board member:

    Gossard is God


    D:D:D:D almost pissed myself laughing :D:D:D

    And I have actually spoken (yes... met and spoken.. albeit briefly) to the man himself!!! :D:D:D Sooooo.. now we also know what he looks like....
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