So, Byrnzie you don't believe in free-will? But rather the will of the universe?
Jeeez! You and free will! :rolleyes:
I've not really given the subject too much thought because I don't think it really matters. But seeing as you're asking I'd say that I believe in a combination of the above.
O.k. Well, you may not be surprised to know that my idea of what 'god' is doesn't resemble the Christian notion. Although this could be debated.
Simply put, I understand 'God' to be what the celts and Anglo-saxon shamans thought of as the 'web of wyrd'. Wyrd meaning mysterious, and, yes, 'weird'. Like all shamans the world over they understood there to be an underlying oneness which is interconnected by something resembling an energy field containing interlinking fibres.
This energy informs everything and connects everything, and it is what can also be described as spirit, or 'god'.
Quantum physicists arrived at the same conclusion when they discovered that beneath (or independent of) human perception of individual particles, these particles behave in a wave pattern. When perceived by us they take the form of particles. So that the world of separateness and individuality which we take for granted is in fact a cognitive construction.
The philosophers also arrived at the same conclusion. Kant understood that there is an underlying reality which is beyond the reach of our human cognitive make-up. The world that we know is there as a result of a combination of our cognition and the known, or phenomena, and of what he calls the noumena - or the unknown.
Schopenhauer then took this a step further with his notion of 'the will' which is the driving force of the world. The will he identified as the noumena infusing and directing all life with the desire to live.
Schopenhauer was one of the first westerners to introduce Eastern philosophy and mysticism to the West and he understood that these writings supported his own philosophical conclusions. His philosophy resembles closely that of Buddhism.
So that's it. I believe 'God' to be this 'Will', or 'Web of wyrd', or 'spirit', which, contrary to Kant but along with Schopenhauer, I believe can be accessed by mystics, and shamans e.t.c.
I certainly don't believe that 'God' resembles anything human, or that humans can experience 'God' through the medium of rational thought, or prayer, or through the medium of any church or priest. Someone above mentioned L.S.D. That'll give you a glimpse, but then so will ayahuasca, peyote, mescaline, iboga, trance, and meditation.
Rock on Brothers and sisters!
oooohhhhh Byrnzie so smart...
p.s. do you dance naked around fires to the strains of Carmina Burana (a.k.a. Old SPice theme tune ) :cool:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I've not really given the subject too much thought because I don't think it really matters. But seeing as you're asking I'd say that I believe in a combination of the above.
Really, so that's different than Schopenhauer and Buddhism.
I personally don't see how QM implies any kind of uncertainty or will. But it's a fascinating theory.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Really, so that's different than Schopenhauer and Buddhism.
I personally don't see how QM implies any kind of uncertainty or will. But it's a fascinating theory.
Free Will is even in your signature Ahnimus... I bet your favourite film of all time is "Free Willy" (or known in France as Penis du Gratis)
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
p.s. do you dance naked around fires to the strains of Carmina Burana (a.k.a. Old SPice theme tune ) :cool:
Nooo! I never likd old spice! Along with my darts throwing athlete doppleganger I prefer to smear lager under my armpits and dance round the handbags of random Essex hussies at the local discotheque. :cool:
I'll come back to you on this point next week. I'll do some brushing up on my Schopenhauer after the x-mas festivities.
"[A]s little as a ball on a billiard table can move before receiving an impact, so little can a man get up from his chair before being drawn or driven by a motive. But then his getting up is as necessary and inevitable as the rolling of a ball after the impact. And to expect that anyone will do something to which absolutely no interest impels them is the same as to expect that a piece of wood shall move toward me without being pulled by a string."
- Arthur Schopenhauer On the Freedom of the Will (1839)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
O.k. Well, you may not be surprised to know that my idea of what 'god' is doesn't resemble the Christian notion. Although this could be debated.
Simply put, I understand 'God' to be what the celts and Anglo-saxon shamans thought of as the 'web of wyrd'. Wyrd meaning mysterious, and, yes, 'weird'. Like all shamans the world over they understood there to be an underlying oneness which is interconnected by something resembling an energy field containing interlinking fibres.
This energy informs everything and connects everything, and it is what can also be described as spirit, or 'god'.
Quantum physicists arrived at the same conclusion when they discovered that beneath (or independent of) human perception of individual particles, these particles behave in a wave pattern. When perceived by us they take the form of particles. So that the world of separateness and individuality which we take for granted is in fact a cognitive construction.
The philosophers also arrived at the same conclusion. Kant understood that there is an underlying reality which is beyond the reach of our human cognitive make-up. The world that we know is there as a result of a combination of our cognition and the known, or phenomena, and of what he calls the noumena - or the unknown.
Schopenhauer then took this a step further with his notion of 'the will' which is the driving force of the world. The will he identified as the noumena infusing and directing all life with the desire to live.
Schopenhauer was one of the first westerners to introduce Eastern philosophy and mysticism to the West and he understood that these writings supported his own philosophical conclusions. His philosophy resembles closely that of Buddhism.
So that's it. I believe 'God' to be this 'Will', or 'Web of wyrd', or 'spirit', which, contrary to Kant but along with Schopenhauer, I believe can be accessed by mystics, and shamans e.t.c.
I certainly don't believe that 'God' resembles anything human, or that humans can experience 'God' through the medium of rational thought, or prayer, or through the medium of any church or priest.
Thanks for responding regarding your conception of God.
I personally agree with much of what you are saying here. I like the way you have woven it all together. I'm wondering, though, about you saying you don't believe humans can experience God through prayer, or through any church or priest. You said: "This energy informs everything and connects everything, and it is what can also be described as spirit, or 'god'." I'm with you 100% on this. What I wonder about is that you understand this energy informs us, and underlies us, but then at the same time, you perceive us as being out of touch with it. Or at least it seems you feel we are not able to connect through prayer or inspiration by others. The way I see it is that we don't connect when we don't think we can connect. Since it informs and underlies us, I see we already are connected and immersed with this energy. I see that we are particularly connected to this Source through emotion and inspiration and therefore prayer or the inspiration of others can awaken channels we are less open to. Do you disagree with this?
Someone above mentioned L.S.D. That'll give you a glimpse, but then so will ayahuasca, peyote, mescaline, iboga, trance, and meditation.
As Daniel Pinchbeck says in the intro to his book 'Breaking open the head':
Among shamanic tribal cultures, plants that induce visions are the center of spiritual life and tradition. Tribes in Africa, Siberia, South and North America, and elsewhere believe that these plants are sentient beings, supernatural emissaries. They ascribe their music and medicine, their cosmology and extensive botanical knowledge to the visions given to them in psychedelic trance. For tribes in Africa, Siberia, North and South America, and many other regions, rejection of the visionary knowledge offered by the botanical world would be a form of insanity.
Many psychedelics are closely related to serotonin or other common neurotransmitters. Serotonin is believed to perform many functions. It helps to regulate sensory information - whether sense data trickles, flows, pours, or floods into the brain. Psilocybin, mescaline, and LSD are also alkaloids that resemble serotonin. The superpotent hallucinogen DMT ("NN - dimethyltryptamine") is a very close cousin to serotonin - the same molecular structure with the difference of two atoms. Serotonin Selective Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), such as the anti-depressants Prozac and Zoloft, limit mood swings by modulating the release of serotonin. Psychedelics bond to many of the same receptor sites as serotonin and similar neurotransmitters. That is the principle cause of their activity.
Think of the brain (as distinct from the mind) as a kind of radio. With "normative" levels of serotonin, the brain is tuned to "consensual reality" - something like the local Pop or Talk Radio station. By substituting psilocybin, Ibogaine, dimethyltryptamine, or some other psychedelic compound for serotonin and other neurotransmitters, you change the station and suddenly you begin to pick up the sensorial equivalent of avant-garde jazz, Tibetan chants, or another channel resonating with new and astonishing information. Yet your mind, the perceiving core of the self, remains more or less unaffected. In that sense, psychedelics - unlike alcohol or heroin - are not even intoxicating in an ordinary sense of the word.
Are psychedelics "good" or "evil"? In our culture these chemicals have been demonized, but like all profound and powerful tools, they are ambiguous. A computer can be an awesome educational instrument, or you can use it to play Doom fifteen hours a day. Psychedelics are different from other tools in one crucial respect: Because they work in the subjective domain of the individual's consciousness, the attitude one has before taking them shapes the effect they will have to an extraordinary degree. For this reason, laboratory conditions and the typical quantifying scientific method seem to be unsuitable for studying them.
Rock on Brothers and sisters!
I'm guessing you are familiar with Stanislov Grof and his extensive experiments with LSD. And his mind-boggling understandings of non-ordinary states of consciousness. And how he eventually found non-pharmacological means of accessing the same states?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What I wonder about is that you understand this energy informs us, and underlies us, but then at the same time, you perceive us as being out of touch with it. Or at least it seems you feel we are not able to connect through prayer or inspiration by others.
I think that connecting with this underlying reality requires a profound effort of concentration (or some damn good drugs! DMT for instance! ). Although this energy is what infuses us, we're a bit like the man in Plato's cave with his back to the world looking at shadows on the cave wall and believing that what he's seeing is 'reality'. There are different ways of accessing higher states of consciousness and visionary states of mind, although I'm not sure that any modern Christians have any idea about this. Gnostic christians, on the other hand, believed in, and practised ways of experiencing 'God' firsthand through the medium of trance and meditation.
I'm guessing you are familiar with Stanislov Grof and his extensive experiments with LSD. And his mind-boggling understandings of non-ordinary states of consciousness. And how he eventually found non-pharmacological means of accessing the same states?
I confess to not knowing this dude, although the name rings a bell. I'll check him out. Along with Stuart Wilde, I'll add him to my list of New Years things to do/read.
I think that connecting with this underlying reality requires a profound effort of concentration (or some damn good drugs! DMT for instance! ). Although this energy is what infuses us, we're a bit like the man in Plato's cave with his back to the world looking at shadows on the cave wall and believing that what he's seeing is 'reality'. There are different ways of accessing higher states of consciousness and visionary states of mind, although I'm not sure that any modern Christians have any idea about this. Gnostic christians, on the other hand, believed in, and practised ways of experiencing 'God' firsthand through the medium of trance and meditation.
If you are talking in terms of "enlightening" experiences, or direct experiences with this energy, yes, it takes exceptional circumstances to get there. (tuning to non-consensual frequencies by some method, for sure) I definitely agree we're in the cave for the most part, taking the shadows to be real. At the same time, the brilliance in Jesus' word was that this energy is the parent of our thought word and deed--our Father, so to speak. And therefore we are one with it and CAN tap it at any moment, merely by believing in it. Now we could debate on whether or not Jesus actually existed. It's a moot point for me, for it's the "spirit" of the message that is meaningful to me, and I have had varying experiences that have shown me how we can simply and easily access and personalize this non-personal energy at any and all times. And that it's our birthright to do so.
For example, I had a deceased friend come to me once, and he showed me experientially how to tap this energy--that I can just by knowing I am. What freaked me out is that we have tuned out value in life and therefore many of us don't realize we ARE this energy. I used to go to great lengths to tap this energy, but by this spiritual experience, I came to know that all I have to do is 'know'. Because I had such a unique otherworldly experience, I KNEW I could actively do so. People in church, or who don't have the direct access take this on faith--and also based on an inner resonating to the idea. Our intuition is the part of us that knows it's connection to this energy, and when we feel ourselves resonating with truth on a deeper level, many trust that. Rightly so.
Now granted, this non-direct knowing is different than direct knowing. There is much more room for doubt and separation and therefore bad action or "sin". Evil is the word live spelled backwards. Those who have this indirect knowing don't "know" to the degree of becoming en-Lightened. Therefore their behaviours will be at the level of where they are, and not necessarily where their faith is. This is normal and par for the course, considering they are bridging this consciousness gap based on faith, rather than understanding. And contrarily, since you are seemingly quite well-read in this area, I'm thinking you are more similar to me. For one, I can see you have a natural high intuition, and yet it looks like you need to understand and not just 'trust'. Many are other-wise predisposed though, and I can see the validity to their experiences. And, I am actively aware of my intuned-ness to this energy throughout the day. It shows me things and interacts with me. It reveals itself in meaningful coincidences that regularly humble me by how amazing they are--all because I have personalized this source and returned it's value to my life, beyond my one-time imagined delusion of separation.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I confess to not knowing this dude, although the name rings a bell. I'll check him out. Along with Stuart Wilde, I'll add him to my list of New Years things to do/read.
Cool. I think I got most of my knowledge of him from "The Holographic Universe" where they go on about his years of experiments with people and LSD. You may not like Stuart Wilde. He's a bit "out there". Or maybe you will.
On Grof and where he talks about LSD and what you referred to regarding tapping non-consensual experiences: http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/LSD.html
"What he found were some highly unusual experiences - including encounters with archetypal beings, visits to mythological realms of various cultures, past incarnation memories, extrasensory perception and episodes of out-of-body states - that could not be described by the narrow and superficial conceptual model used in academic psychology. Convinced that such experiences were not simply drug- induced, but rather represented natural and normal manifestations of the deeper dynamics of the human psyche, Grof saw the need for a much larger cartography of the psyche than had previously been allowed. This, he felt, would not only require revision of our ideas about the human mind, but revision of traditional beliefs about the nature of reality. ...
What's most important, at least on a social level, is the need to recognize there is an extremely powerful drive in human nature for transcendence. The need for a transcendental experience is stronger than sex. If you study history, you find that every other culture, except the industrial civilization, honored it. They had rituals and technologies for people to access transcendental experiences in a socially-sanctioned framework, in the context of rituals, ceremonies and so on."
and about naturally reproducing the same LSD type experiences: "My wife and I developed holotropic breathwork, where the whole spectrum of psychedelic experience can be induced by very simple methods." http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.asp?Id=200
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Cool. I think I got most of my knowledge of him from "The Holographic Universe" where they go on about his years of experiments with people and LSD. You may not like Stuart Wilde. He's a bit "out there". Or maybe you will.
On Grof and where he talks about LSD and what you referred to regarding tapping non-consensual experiences: http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/LSD.html
"What he found were some highly unusual experiences - including encounters with archetypal beings, visits to mythological realms of various cultures, past incarnation memories, extrasensory perception and episodes of out-of-body states - that could not be described by the narrow and superficial conceptual model used in academic psychology. Convinced that such experiences were not simply drug- induced, but rather represented natural and normal manifestations of the deeper dynamics of the human psyche, Grof saw the need for a much larger cartography of the psyche than had previously been allowed. This, he felt, would not only require revision of our ideas about the human mind, but revision of traditional beliefs about the nature of reality. ...
What's most important, at least on a social level, is the need to recognize there is an extremely powerful drive in human nature for transcendence. The need for a transcendental experience is stronger than sex. If you study history, you find that every other culture, except the industrial civilization, honored it. They had rituals and technologies for people to access transcendental experiences in a socially-sanctioned framework, in the context of rituals, ceremonies and so on."
and about naturally reproducing the same LSD type experiences: "My wife and I developed holotropic breathwork, where the whole spectrum of psychedelic experience can be induced by very simple methods." http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.asp?Id=200
I knew it rang a bell. I read 'The holographic universe' years ago. It is such a great book. I'll need to reaquaint myself with it.
Byrnzie... you do realise that Angelica is a hottie... well I was thinking if you hold the mistletoe above us I'll do the deed
I've enjoyed reading this thread, even though its way below me in terms of its intellectual meanderings... i think i've dumbed myself down enough to comprehend the poor philosophies on offer... so if you'll excuse me i have to go put my witty retorts on the "who'd make the best cake? Matt or Jeff" thread on the Porch
:cool:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I was going to post that very same thing a moment earlier... but i see you suffer from premature interjection!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Oh man, you guys are slaying me!! There's some serious laughing out loud going on over here!!
its a shame that you didnt miss off the 's' from 'slaying' there
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
its a shame that you didnt miss off the 's' from 'slaying' there
Yiiikkes!!! And I was hyper aware of wording my post in a way that it couldn't be misconstrued with impropriety! Curses! I like being the center of attention, but not quite in that way!!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yiiikkes!!! And I was hyper aware of wording my post in a way that it couldn't be misconstrued with impropriety!!!
i find innuendo in everything... :cool:
except coffins...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Hey, where'd everybody go??? Was it something I said?? .... Or was it the shame of such bawdy behaviour in the "God-thread"?
Actually I was thinking of a witty reply but everything I thought of involved an image of Dunkman naked, and so in the end I just upped and scarpered! :rolleyes:
Actually I was thinking of a witty reply but everything I thought of involved an image of Dunkman naked, and so in the end I just upped and scarpered! :rolleyes:
It was so cute seeing the two of you getting all worked up in the thread, only to both "happen" to disappear at the same time. And THEN to show up again at the same time. It makes me feel almost irrelevent. :(
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yeah, what is that you're always harping on about....testosterone? I get that innuendo thing about you, though, as my words echo around in my head from different perspectives in these conversations. I'm surprised you let "bawdy" go, though. That one I realized the potential for in hindsight.;)
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It was so cute seeing the two of you getting all worked up in the thread, only to both "happen" to disappear at the same time. And THEN to show up again at the same time. It makes me feel almost irrelevent. :(
Well, ahem...us..err..men..have..errm..needs, young lady! :eek:
Edit: And I was holding mistletoe over our heads afterall!
2nd Edit: This is so wrong! See what effect you have Angelica! :mad: :rolleyes:
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Jeeez! You and free will! :rolleyes:
I've not really given the subject too much thought because I don't think it really matters. But seeing as you're asking I'd say that I believe in a combination of the above.
oooohhhhh Byrnzie so smart...
p.s. do you dance naked around fires to the strains of Carmina Burana (a.k.a. Old SPice theme tune
Really, so that's different than Schopenhauer and Buddhism.
I personally don't see how QM implies any kind of uncertainty or will. But it's a fascinating theory.
Free Will is even in your signature Ahnimus... I bet your favourite film of all time is "Free Willy" (or known in France as Penis du Gratis)
Nooo! I never likd old spice! Along with my darts throwing athlete doppleganger I prefer to smear lager under my armpits and dance round the handbags of random Essex hussies at the local discotheque. :cool:
I'll come back to you on this point next week. I'll do some brushing up on my Schopenhauer after the x-mas festivities.
"[A]s little as a ball on a billiard table can move before receiving an impact, so little can a man get up from his chair before being drawn or driven by a motive. But then his getting up is as necessary and inevitable as the rolling of a ball after the impact. And to expect that anyone will do something to which absolutely no interest impels them is the same as to expect that a piece of wood shall move toward me without being pulled by a string."
- Arthur Schopenhauer
On the Freedom of the Will (1839)
I personally agree with much of what you are saying here. I like the way you have woven it all together. I'm wondering, though, about you saying you don't believe humans can experience God through prayer, or through any church or priest. You said: "This energy informs everything and connects everything, and it is what can also be described as spirit, or 'god'." I'm with you 100% on this. What I wonder about is that you understand this energy informs us, and underlies us, but then at the same time, you perceive us as being out of touch with it. Or at least it seems you feel we are not able to connect through prayer or inspiration by others. The way I see it is that we don't connect when we don't think we can connect. Since it informs and underlies us, I see we already are connected and immersed with this energy. I see that we are particularly connected to this Source through emotion and inspiration and therefore prayer or the inspiration of others can awaken channels we are less open to. Do you disagree with this?
I'm guessing you are familiar with Stanislov Grof and his extensive experiments with LSD. And his mind-boggling understandings of non-ordinary states of consciousness. And how he eventually found non-pharmacological means of accessing the same states?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I think that connecting with this underlying reality requires a profound effort of concentration (or some damn good drugs! DMT for instance!
For example, I had a deceased friend come to me once, and he showed me experientially how to tap this energy--that I can just by knowing I am. What freaked me out is that we have tuned out value in life and therefore many of us don't realize we ARE this energy. I used to go to great lengths to tap this energy, but by this spiritual experience, I came to know that all I have to do is 'know'. Because I had such a unique otherworldly experience, I KNEW I could actively do so. People in church, or who don't have the direct access take this on faith--and also based on an inner resonating to the idea. Our intuition is the part of us that knows it's connection to this energy, and when we feel ourselves resonating with truth on a deeper level, many trust that. Rightly so.
Now granted, this non-direct knowing is different than direct knowing. There is much more room for doubt and separation and therefore bad action or "sin". Evil is the word live spelled backwards. Those who have this indirect knowing don't "know" to the degree of becoming en-Lightened. Therefore their behaviours will be at the level of where they are, and not necessarily where their faith is. This is normal and par for the course, considering they are bridging this consciousness gap based on faith, rather than understanding. And contrarily, since you are seemingly quite well-read in this area, I'm thinking you are more similar to me. For one, I can see you have a natural high intuition, and yet it looks like you need to understand and not just 'trust'. Many are other-wise predisposed though, and I can see the validity to their experiences. And, I am actively aware of my intuned-ness to this energy throughout the day. It shows me things and interacts with me. It reveals itself in meaningful coincidences that regularly humble me by how amazing they are--all because I have personalized this source and returned it's value to my life, beyond my one-time imagined delusion of separation.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
On Grof and where he talks about LSD and what you referred to regarding tapping non-consensual experiences: http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/LSD.html
"What he found were some highly unusual experiences - including encounters with archetypal beings, visits to mythological realms of various cultures, past incarnation memories, extrasensory perception and episodes of out-of-body states - that could not be described by the narrow and superficial conceptual model used in academic psychology. Convinced that such experiences were not simply drug- induced, but rather represented natural and normal manifestations of the deeper dynamics of the human psyche, Grof saw the need for a much larger cartography of the psyche than had previously been allowed. This, he felt, would not only require revision of our ideas about the human mind, but revision of traditional beliefs about the nature of reality. ...
What's most important, at least on a social level, is the need to recognize there is an extremely powerful drive in human nature for transcendence. The need for a transcendental experience is stronger than sex. If you study history, you find that every other culture, except the industrial civilization, honored it. They had rituals and technologies for people to access transcendental experiences in a socially-sanctioned framework, in the context of rituals, ceremonies and so on."
and about naturally reproducing the same LSD type experiences: "My wife and I developed holotropic breathwork, where the whole spectrum of psychedelic experience can be induced by very simple methods." http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.asp?Id=200
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I knew it rang a bell. I read 'The holographic universe' years ago. It is such a great book. I'll need to reaquaint myself with it.
I've enjoyed reading this thread, even though its way below me in terms of its intellectual meanderings... i think i've dumbed myself down enough to comprehend the poor philosophies on offer... so if you'll excuse me i have to go put my witty retorts on the "who'd make the best cake? Matt or Jeff" thread on the Porch
:cool:
What? You wanna kiss me?
And yeah, she is a hottie! A hottie with a brain and soul. You don't find many of them around. Canada should be proud. :cool:
come now... lets not get carried away
and i didnt mean 'come now' literally...
Too late!
I was going to post that very same thing a moment earlier... but i see you suffer from premature interjection!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
its a shame that you didnt miss off the 's' from 'slaying' there
You can use the mistletoe to clean my mess off your trousers. You were a sloppy kisser anyway! :( :eek:
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i find innuendo in everything... :cool:
except coffins...
Actually I was thinking of a witty reply but everything I thought of involved an image of Dunkman naked, and so in the end I just upped and scarpered! :rolleyes:
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Well, ahem...us..err..men..have..errm..needs, young lady!
Edit: And I was holding mistletoe over our heads afterall!
2nd Edit: This is so wrong! See what effect you have Angelica! :mad: :rolleyes:
(nice redeeming yourself with the "Angelica effect" comment.;) You're a smooth one, I see!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!