What is God?

sponger

A Surprise Left wrote:

hmmmm interesting theory but according to the bible (which is our source of most of the information about this man named jesus) he claimed to be that monothiestic god. back to the drawing board?

son of god

the face

sponger wrote:

son of god

the dude ain't god....and the bible is not history, its propoganda. please don't confuse the two

sponger

the face wrote:

the dude ain't god....and the bible is not history, its propoganda. please don't confuse the two

You completely misunderstood my post and probably surpriseleft's post.

the face

Love the topic..and my answer is ham sandwich...defintely. ham sandwich.

A Surprise Left

sponger wrote:

You completely misunderstood my post and probably surpriseleft's post.

bingo.....but son of God and God are one and the same (to most people under the christian umbrella anyway, I know there are exceptions). Jesus was claiming to be able to forgive sins and under Jewish law only Yahweh had the power and the right to forgive sins. So if Jesus said this knowing he was not God he committed blasphemy and under jewish law could be given a death sentence legally.

kenny olav

When I hear the word 'God' I inevitably think of a eldery white man with a beard sitting up in the clouds, whether its Jehovah, Zeus or Thor.

So I find it to be just a very silly word, even if you try to attach more philosophical connotations to it. Example: Spinoza's God - "God is Nature" - but why not just call it Nature?

newagehippie

"I like to think of Jesus as having eight foot wings singing lead vocals to Skynard, and a band of Angels, and I'm on the front row wasted drunk"


"I like to think of Jesus as wearing one of those tuxedo t-shirts. Cause it's kinda formal, but at the same time it says, 'I'm here to party', and I like to party....."


I know it's not GOD, but I just had to throw that out there....

miller8966

the face wrote:

the dude ain't god....and the bible is not history, its propoganda. please don't confuse the two

whats your feeling on the old testament?

newagehippie

sponger wrote:

If I remember my world history 101 correctly, the roman emperors were worshipped as gods. And considering that the majority of people living under roman rule were probably living under oppressive conditions, this probably left a lot of people feeling unhappy about the concept of a deity.

So, this guy named Jesus comes along and brings about the idea that there is a power greater than the roman emperor.

Your teacher had a different story than mine, of course...they all do.

Romans were living under Pagan beliefs, Jesus didn't just "come along", Constatine knew that 1/2 of his kingdom were pagans, and 1/2 were Christian, with Christianity being the "new" and upcoming religion. He worried that a religious divide could cause major problems with Peace, therefore he re-wrote the bible, included pagan ideas, and thus everyone was happy.......

miller8966

newagehippie wrote:

Your teacher had a different story than mine, of course...they all do.

Romans were living under Pagan beliefs, Jesus didn't just "come along", Constatine knew that 1/2 of his kingdom were pagans, and 1/2 were Christian, with Christianity being the "new" and upcoming religion. He worried that a religious divide could cause major problems with Peace, therefore he re-wrote the bible, included pagan ideas, and thus everyone was happy.......

You're a little off. Lets not forget Constantines revelation in the sky, which signalled his turn to christianity.

And i dont know how he "re-wrote" the bible...

CorporateWhore

newagehippie wrote:

Your teacher had a different story than mine, of course...they all do.

Romans were living under Pagan beliefs, Jesus didn't just "come along", Constatine knew that 1/2 of his kingdom were pagans, and 1/2 were Christian, with Christianity being the "new" and upcoming religion. He worried that a religious divide could cause major problems with Peace, therefore he re-wrote the bible, included pagan ideas, and thus everyone was happy.......

Constantine was not a Christian.

kenny olav

newagehippie wrote:

Your teacher had a different story than mine, of course...they all do.

Romans were living under Pagan beliefs, Jesus didn't just "come along", Constatine knew that 1/2 of his kingdom were pagans, and 1/2 were Christian, with Christianity being the "new" and upcoming religion. He worried that a religious divide could cause major problems with Peace, therefore he re-wrote the bible, included pagan ideas, and thus everyone was happy.......

i don't think he re-wrote the bible, but he definately allowed pagan practices to morph into Christian practices, which continue on until today.

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/pagan-symbols.html
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

the face

A Surprise Left wrote:

bingo.....but son of God and God are one and the same (to most people under the christian umbrella anyway, I know there are exceptions). Jesus was claiming to be able to forgive sins and under Jewish law only Yahweh had the power and the right to forgive sins. So if Jesus said this knowing he was not God he committed blasphemy and under jewish law could be given a death sentence legally.

But they could not give the death sentence which is why he was turned over to the Romans to commit the actual act.

miller8966

the face wrote:

But they could not give the death sentence which is why he was turned over to the Romans to commit the actual act.

i bet the jews wish they could take that one back...lol

the face

newagehippie wrote:

Your teacher had a different story than mine, of course...they all do.

Romans were living under Pagan beliefs, Jesus didn't just "come along", Constatine knew that 1/2 of his kingdom were pagans, and 1/2 were Christian, with Christianity being the "new" and upcoming religion. He worried that a religious divide could cause major problems with Peace, therefore he re-wrote the bible, included pagan ideas, and thus everyone was happy.......

But HippieMom is about as close accurate as anyone has come. Constantine was probably the 2nd most influential person in the rise of Christianity besides Jesus himself. His mother was a christian and he purported to have a vision of Christ during a battle. He had been a typical murderous pagan fuck.

He later convened the Council of Nicea which made certain major decisions about christianity including the date of his birth and death, what should be included in the new testament and that Christianity should be the religion of the Roman Empire.

As hippe mom makes clear, this was done for a political purpose to bring the Eastern empire and Western empire unified under his new edict based on his purported revelation. But for him, wed all probably still be pagan.

miller8966

the face wrote:

As hippe mom makes clear, this was done for a political purpose to bring the Eastern empire and Western empire unified under his new edict based on his purported revelation. But for him, wed all probably still be pagan.

Paul is just as important as constantine...

hippiemom

the face wrote:

But HippieMom is about as close accurate as anyone has come. Constantine was probably the 2nd most influential person in the rise of Christianity besides Jesus himself. His mother was a christian and he purported to have a vision of Christ during a battle. He had been a typical murderous pagan fuck.

He later convened the Council of Nicea which made certain major decisions about christianity including the date of his birth and death, what should be included in the new testament and that Christianity should be the religion of the Roman Empire.

As hippe mom makes clear, this was done for a political purpose to bring the Eastern empire and Western empire unified under his new edict based on his purported revelation. But for him, wed all probably still be pagan.

Hey, I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I know I didn't post anything about Constantine, since I don't really know anything about Constantine. I wasn't even reading this thread until someone pointed this post out to me.

newagehippie, maybe?

pieceofdust

I just read the first post in this thread and am responding accordingly...forgive me if it has been said.

At the very least God is the absolute truths we appeal to that our outside of ourselves. The truths that all men, whether they have ever talked about it before or not, know within their heart to be true if they honestly approach truth in a serious manner. You see this code in very complex forms in society, but also in very simple forms as well. Concepts such as justice are shown in something as simple of "hey you bought me a beer last time, it is fair that I get buy you one this time". This sense of fairness, right and wrong, and justice is what I believe is or at least represents God. Is God simply these laws? Or is God something outside of these laws that instills this sense of right and wrong within us? By saying there is a right and wrong I do not mean to make truth sound black and white. Truth is complex, trick, and very gray. However this does not make truth simply a preference in the way that our favorite color is a preference. We all have an innate sense of this right and wrong, of fairness, and of justice within us. Even when we disagree with someone, we are both still appealing to fairness and justice. This means the debate is over what fairness and justice are, not whether we have a sense of them. The fact that we argue over what justice is, not whether justice is good, proves to me that there is something innate within all of us This, to me, is a good place to start when talking about what God is. sorry...i might have said the same thing about 5 different ways there!

newagehippie

the face wrote:

But HippieMom is about as close accurate as anyone has come. Constantine was probably the 2nd most influential person in the rise of Christianity besides Jesus himself. His mother was a christian and he purported to have a vision of Christ during a battle. He had been a typical murderous pagan fuck.

He later convened the Council of Nicea which made certain major decisions about christianity including the date of his birth and death, what should be included in the new testament and that Christianity should be the religion of the Roman Empire.

As hippe mom makes clear, this was done for a political purpose to bring the Eastern empire and Western empire unified under his new edict based on his purported revelation. But for him, wed all probably still be pagan.

Thanks.....I think you mean me.....;)

newagehippie

hippiemom wrote:

Hey, I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I know I didn't post anything about Constantine, since I don't really know anything about Constantine. I wasn't even reading this thread until someone pointed this post out to me.

newagehippie, maybe?

It's all the same....right? :cool: